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stillatlarge
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posted May 25, 2011 09:31 AM
  
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1305504247/60#60 I want to see if Lee falls on his sword and admits it and confirms what Casey said about Daddy Dearest. I don't think that's going to happen though since there is no statute of limitations on molestation in Florida and it's a capital offense. Lee was more than 3 years older than Casey too. If Lee backed her up the state would charge him. With that hanging over his head, it's doubtful he's going to tell the truth either. He MAY go so far as to take the 5th though. Remember at the memorial, he said he was "proud of CMA". Maybe he WILL man up and do the right thing. I doubt it though. The state has so much on the George, Cindy, and Lee that they are forced to say exactly what they're told to. That's the tacit agreement. The state could give a sh-t less what the truth is. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted May 26, 2011 09:35 AM
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Lonake
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posted May 27, 2011 03:54 AM
I'm watching the trial and want to see how Cindy acts on the stand. It's obvious that George is a liar, and I know Jose Baez wants to wring him by the neck, I would too. But they're playing tapes where Casey on video is saying that people are making up a story about Caylee drowning which puts at least part of her defense in the toilet in my eyes, but I do believe Casey is mentally off and it is likely she was sexually abused.IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted May 27, 2011 08:59 AM
OMG! Just when you think the vultures for the state have gone as low as they can go they exceed themselves again. Did you see the motion this morning? I missed all but the tail end because they started at 8 eastern but it sounded like Jose' has to forewarn and "lay a foundation" for all his questions in advance so the witnesses are even more forewarned than they already are. It's like watching the rape of all that is sacred in our "justice" system and bill of rights. Poor girl doesn't have a chance. It's like, why bother watching when you know what the outcome will be? Now they're calling Lee's girlfriend right off this morning. The judge isn't even going to let them ask if Casey was abused without him approving it first!
Are you watching the live stream, Lonoke, or TruTV? I would urge anyone to watch the live stream online because you don't get to see half of what happens on TV and they're cherry picking and totally misrepresenting everything that happens.
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Lonake
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posted May 27, 2011 05:22 PM
I saw this morning about trying to admit the ex boyfriend's statement that Casey told him that Lee tried to rape her, or at least was touching her in an inappropriate fashion and it looked like the judge said no he wouldn't have it admitted. Strikes me as very biased. But as I see it going there's enough for her to not get the death penalty if she is convicted and I feel like it may be a mistrial since neither party has a strong hold on their case, there are really holes in both stories and I don't believe either. It's such an interesting situation. Now I get George's m.o. when he testifies, if he says something to the effect of 'i don't know if i said that, i don't remember which exact day etc,' then that means he said exactly that thing and he meant exactly that day. He literally acts as if a statement he just made under oath may or may not have been said. WTF. If I were in that courtroom I'd wring his neck out of frustration - I hate seeing him on the stand. Now I really want to see what piece of work the woman is who married him.I meant the mistrial based on a hung jury, I saw this morning I believe where Baez moved for a mistrial and was denied by the judge. But the judge isn't completely siding with the prosecution as they wanted to admit some sexually oriented text messages between Casey and the ex to establish that she wanted to go out but wasn't able to because of her daughter and parents at home. The judge laughed in the prosecution's face and asked then why didn't Casey kill her parents as well, so that wasn't admitted, and I mean really, if that's all they have at that moment it is very very weak. Like I said there are so many holes here. It's just too bad that her body wasn't found earlier. People are bashing Baez but I actually think he's been very tame with a weasel like George.
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stillatlarge
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posted May 27, 2011 05:35 PM
Yeah, but just when you think you've figured it out and the judge out, he pops up with something like he did in the last few minutes where he made a complete and utter fool of the prosecution. It wouldnt' surprise me if THEY move for a mistrial after that. He said, "well, if that's the motive, why didn't she kill her parents"? I was stunned. Jose' was laughing. Something's changed. He just ridiculed the state's entire theory in front of the world. Worse than anything he's done to Jose'. It is ludicrous that they tried to use an IM where Tony wanted to come over for oral sex and she said not tonite as their motive! That's when the judge said that. Like she would kill Caylee because Tony couldn't come to her parents house that night. I got the impression that was the states "best evidence" in the case. They're going to argue the IM's in the morning. I guess there are more but they better do better than that. I don't think even Nasty DisGrace can spin that in their favor. It's about time-Jose! He tore George a new one and kicked butt today and the media is still lying and saying the state won. They must be watching a different trial. Poor long-suffering, up-standing George needs his halo polished, Nancy. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 27, 2011 05:38 PM
I edited that post before I saw your reply, to add this: but what I was thinking was that maybe someone was holding onto her deceased body somewhere and then planted it and let it sit for a few mos cos a few yrs and so close to home is really a long time. They're talking about the meter reader but maybe there was someone else. That's what it feels like to me, someone who never wanted Caylee's cause of death to see light of day.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 27, 2011 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
It wouldnt' surprise me if THEY move for a mistrial after that. He said, "well, if that's the motive, why didn't she kill her parents"? I was stunned.
I think the state has too much riding on her conviction to move for mistrial, I don't know if she can be tried again after that? Maybe so.
I agree with the rest of what you wrote. I know the judge wants to move it along but he's laughing at the entire thing and playing big daddy sarcastic judge. Personally I feel he should be conducting himself more seriously. You can't be making that many jokes when it's obvious lies are flying all over the place.
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stillatlarge
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posted May 28, 2011 08:33 AM
Makira got the thread on 'that other board' deleted.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 29, 2011 02:25 AM
Some people have nothing better to do.IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted May 29, 2011 11:22 AM
This is so unfair. Jose' is muzzled and they're blaming him. I'm hoping he gets past this 'foundation' issue for the defense case in chief, that that's what he's waiting for, especially after Cindy's act yesterday. They desperately need a woman to cross examine her because you can see it now, she's going to cry right on cue and make Jose' out to be a bully with every question and every evasive answer. She's a much better liar than George. To sit up there and claim with a straight face that she didn't know Myspace was public when she posted that on Casey's page took some audacity or inside knowledge that she never WOULD have to explain. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/201 1/05/casey-anthony-is-jose-baez-pulling-a-columbo.html IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted May 29, 2011 07:54 PM
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stillatlarge
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posted May 30, 2011 04:59 PM
Well, I guess I'll just have a conversation with myself then. I cannot believe I missed the part in the opening statement about them not finding any DNA on the duct tape supposedly around her mouth. Open and shut. That's not even possible! They're making this thing up whole cloth. Not only did they not find anything in the trunk but even Caylee's own DNA couldn't be found on the duct tape! I've come to believe that the sum total of the parents actions were to cover for themselves. They were trying to set her up all along. These are the most evil depraved people.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 01, 2011 01:21 AM
I saw Cindy today on the stand and was watching rather cynically wondering how staged those tears were. I mean, I cried, but I was imagining myself as the mother of the dead girl, not as a response to her emotion....Some people apparently say she was sobbing in the bathroom today after testifying about the 911 call? To me, she's more honest on the stand than her husband, I saw him as lying left and right.So you think the parents killed Caylee by accident or otherwise and are pinning it on Casey?
I'm still wondering why have a trial when there is no cause of death and no murder weapon, etc. to me this is crazy. They want to nail Casey cos there is no one better to pin it on, you know, just to have someone, but then Casey does lie about the babysitter etc and other things..I looked at her chart with the Sun/Merc in Pisces sq the Mars conj Uranus in Sadge, I think the lying was to get people off of her back when she felt like they were trying to know so much, she felt that her freedom was being invaded by the questioning so the constant lying is just an attempt to escape (basing this off of my chart with Sun Pisces sq Uranus as well). But I know her Mars/Sun/Uranus really wanted to break free of responsibilities altho her Cancer/Pisces side loved and cared for her daughter very much, and that's OK, to have two warring sides, it's common actually, but each team is just trying to look at one side of her and they're playing that, it's just so sad and one-sided. I feel so horrible for Caylee but I still think as sick as this sounds that someone had her body hidden and then placed it back outside because they never wanted her case to be solved and they are going to get away with it. I don't know who did it, but they're going to get away with it, the evidence both sides are introducing just does not seem enough to strongly sway the jury either way, and I think both sides have the wrong story. I've just never seen a trial like this, there's no cause of death, it's just crazy. You know more about the case details than I do, but it's just like I said one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 01, 2011 09:11 PM
Did you catch that today, that George had three sets of keys to Casey's car? You won't hear Nancy Grace talk about that you can bet.
I'm encouraged by the prosecution not asking Lee about the molestation. That makes me think he's going to confirm it. Remember, the defense' case hasn't started yet. It's still the prosecution's and the ONLY reason they wouldn't open that door is that they are afraid of what's behind it. He did mouth the words 'I Love You' to his sister today.
I don't know that it was an accident but you can bet George had something to do with and Cindy is accessory after the fact to keep his precious a-s out of a life sentence. I do not believe Casey did it on purpose but George and Cindy certainly had motive if the big fight they had was actually about what I think it was. They had to contain Casey. They did so much to discredit and ISOLATE Casey, even keeping the keys to 'her' car, going to her job, badmouthing her to suitors, friends, and on Facebook. Classic signs of incest and exploitation. I think they were in CYA mode at all costs. I don't know if Casey is crazy or not. Some of the testimony has made her sound schizophrenic. Maybe the abuse made her that way. Maybe that was a coping mechanism. One thing's for sure, Cindy knew no boundaries when it came to her and Caylee physical or otherwise.
Anyway, the thing about the keys is huge because G&C knew the car was at Amscot BEFORE they got the notice they made such a big deal of. He drives by that Amscot every day on his way to and from work. Casey was never seen on the surveillance camera there. Then you add in the gas can with the tape PUT ON THERE BY GEORGE, wiped clean of prints, mind you, and it starts to add up. I agree, whoever did this is going to get away with it. I just pray for a miracle that an innocent victim doesn't suffer any more in their place.IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
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posted June 02, 2011 12:31 AM
So if Casey were innocent, why did she not report her daughter missing for a month? Why was she partying at clubs?IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 02, 2011 08:45 AM
Wow! How'd you catch that? Really astute. I think we should just leave this whole thing to your superior intellect and powers of observation. :  IP: Logged |
pire
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posted June 02, 2011 03:42 PM
my theory:lee got casey pregnant. george who also abused casey was mortified to have a grand daughter that reminded him perpetually of what he created in a way. so he killed her. or lee killed caylee and disposed of the body. or george fathered caylee and killed her and disposed of the body himself, al alone. one of them is the father and george is the murderer. cindy may or may not know that her husband killed caylee, I think she doesn't. she may or may not know that her husband abused her daughter, I think she does. she may or may not know that her son is the father of her granddaughter, I think she doesn't. I can understand, if casey is really honest and didn't killed her daughter, that her reaction is not too combative. it must be difficult to find the strength to fight for one's life when your daughter has been killed
you have been the sex toy of your dad and your brother
you are being more or less acused by your parents
you risk death penalty any one of those reasons alone is enough to destroy anyone, put together, it is huge. I still have questions because I recently heard of this story. if I am not mistaken, the dad is an ex police officer so if someone should know how to answer to the police, he does. from what yuri melich today answered to jose baez, the police assumed more or less that casey was guilty from the begining.
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stillatlarge
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posted June 02, 2011 07:48 PM
I'll say it again, it really doesn't pay to try to put the pieces together because there are too many pieces missing to ever come up with any kind of viable theory. When I watched those tapes today of her 'lying' to the detectives, Lee, G&C, etc.,I firmly believe at that point she thought Caylee was alive. I think there ARE others involved AND George. I've felt that from day one. We will never hear about that in court though. For whatever reason, even Jose' couldn't go there. I don't know if the people are dangerous, just covered their tracks and planned so well that Dick Tracy Orlando couldn't find them or what but as soon as Casey said that about handing her off to Zanny "on the steps" to that apt., it reinforced it. Maybe she DID give her to somebody to babysit. There are very organized pedo and sex slavery rings out there. My gut instinct is that she was telling the truth. I can't imagine going as far as she did with those stories otherwise. The only other explanation is that she was driven absolutely batsh-t crazy by those parents and went into a delusional state. Remember Cindy talking about the "wealthy suitor" that she was visiting? Why haven't we heard more about him or the prostitution or the drugs? They hushed that up fast. The fact is, we're never going to know anything except that that freaky father was involved somehow and the whole family is so sick and twisted that anything could've happened.
About George being a cop,...I heard that Jose' was trying to get his psych med records in and maybe his file from the police dept. in Ohio. He wasn't just a cop-he was a DETECTIVE. At the very beginning of this they said he was made to resign for psychiatric unfitness or something like that. They barely scratched the surface on that the first day Jose' questioned him. George glossed over it like he did everything and Jose' let him. I really hope he we see better out of Jose' once the defense case starts. He hasn't really impressed me yet except for the 'Dick Tracy Orlando' thing and Amy Huezenga but I'm not sure the Amy drunk driving thing really helped the defense. The jaalousy motive toward Casey might though.IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
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posted June 02, 2011 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
Wow! How'd you catch that? Really astute. I think we should just leave this whole thing to your superior intellect and powers of observation. :
Is that sarcasm? If so, it's misdirected and probably not appropriate if you are truly trying to put a valid opinion across to other people. My question was sincere so I am not really understanding the tone of your reply.
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pire
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posted June 03, 2011 12:41 PM
caylee's father reamins unnammed....  they missed the right target when they asked a paternity test to lee. I just read an article on the web http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27193611/detail.html that says that : "the Anthonys produced an obituary showing Caylee Anthony's father died in an out-of-state car crash." hmmmm, strange it is coming from george anthony.
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stillatlarge
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posted June 03, 2011 01:15 PM
Yes, they haven't mentioned George being excluded and it's so funny that they never pressed her on who the father was. As overbearing and intrusive as Cindy was in everything else, but they never bother to find out who the father was, ask for support, social security, nothing? This guy that they named was excluded definitively by DNA.
I don't know moonwitch, your guess is as good as anybody's but there are too many things that don't add up for it to be as simple as what the media would have you believe.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 04, 2011 02:49 AM
Lee has already been tested for the father and it came back negative, so we know it's not him. However, no details on whether George is the father or not, apparently. quote:
Originally posted by pire:
my theory:lee got casey pregnant.
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"the Anthonys produced an obituary showing Caylee Anthony's father died in an out-of-state car crash."
That's strange, considering they testified that they didn't know who he was.
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stillatlarge
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posted June 04, 2011 09:01 AM
Well, before the DNA they were saying it was that guy. Tried to pin it on Jesse Grund before that. They knew all along George was the father and that's why they pretended to everyone at that family wedding she wasn't even pregnant when she was 8 mos. along. I just hope the Defense makes a comeback and Jose' pulls something out of his hat.IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted June 06, 2011 06:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/albatross234#p/u/0/W89SQG55XFA I didn't realize George was a police detective for TEN YEEEEARS! To be kicked out after that long it had to be something pretty bad. Who would know better how to frame somebody than a former cop? IP: Logged |
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