posted June 14, 2012 07:38 PM            

I think most people have an innate curiosity and will pursue some kind of education when left to their own devices.

posted June 14, 2012 11:54 PM            

We've been trained to think that in order to live the "American Dream" we all have to go to college/university.

I've seen lots of students enroll in programs that aren't career oriented with the illusion that simply having that paper is what gets the job.

Instead of realizing skills/experience is what really makes the difference.

I wish it was the way 50yrs ago were you graduated high school and you apprentice your way up.

As opposed to today were people have the illusion that having that degree is worth more than someone with 20yrs experience.

posted June 15, 2012 01:11 PM            

Having a diploma, degree, or super-stardom really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.

It doesnt matter if paparazzi want to follow you around everywhere .... what will you leave here when you die?

Too much importance should not be placed on a particular piece of paper, or being on TV or movie screens.

posted June 15, 2012 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I think most people have an innate curiosity and will pursue some kind of education when left to their own devices.

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posted June 15, 2012 05:56 PM            

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I think most people have an innate curiosity and will pursue some kind of education when left to their own devices.

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Funny you should say that because I was chatting with my psychologist the other day about education and she said that, where I live, the desire to learn and the love of learning is supposed to be like, ingrained in the curriculum and the students. Teachers try to bring up students to WANT to learn and to achieve, etc...

posted June 15, 2012 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by SpooL:
I wish more people realized that there are lots you can do without a High School diploma and to be more entrepreneurial.

We've been trained to think that in order to live the "American Dream" we all have to go to college/university.

I've seen lots of students enroll in programs that aren't career oriented with the illusion that simply having that paper is what gets the job.

Instead of realizing skills/experience is what really makes the difference.

I wish it was the way 50yrs ago were you graduated high school and you apprentice your way up.

As opposed to today were people have the illusion that having that degree is worth more than someone with 20yrs experience.

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posted June 15, 2012 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Funny you should say that because I was chatting with my psychologist the other day about education and she said that, where I live, the desire to learn and the love of learning is supposed to be like, ingrained in the curriculum and the students. Teachers try to bring up students to WANT to learn and to achieve, etc...

But I went to three different schools throughout high school (I liked to hang out with different friend groups each year) and I only met a very small amount of people who actually LOVED to learn.

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posted June 15, 2012 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Funny you should say that because I was chatting with my psychologist the other day about education and she said that, where I live, the desire to learn and the love of learning is supposed to be like, ingrained in the curriculum and the students. Teachers try to bring up students to WANT to learn and to achieve, etc...

But I went to three different schools throughout high school (I liked to hang out with different friend groups each year) and I only met a very small amount of people who actually LOVED to learn.

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Learn what, though? Most of what they were teaching me in high school was boring as hell. They ought to offer a broader curriculum and make it less textbook-based. They ought to offer astrology courses.

Most kids ARE learning, though... about computers, music, sports, art, vehicles, and so on. To me, all of that is real education.

I know one teenager right now who flunked his senior year of high school, so he's going to summer school. Gosh, what a lame-o.

But wait...he's so interested in sports that his sports blog gets a ton of traffic, he is getting promoted at the sporting goods place where he works, he loves his life...just a smart kid who decided to say "No" when given orders by the school system.

posted June 16, 2012 02:42 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

but thats the stupid part, most jobs demand college education and would choose someone with a degree over someone with lots of experience. i wish it was like the old days, my uncles never went to college but were able to get high paying jobs, you cant do that anymore.

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Not always true, there is an overabundance of college/university grads, especially bachelor of arts/liberal arts grads.

When that happens experience is the only thing that stands out.

I can't speak for Tennessee, but where I live and have previously lived everyone has either a college/University degree.

Its gotten to the point that its a norm and experience is more important. Even some masters students are finding it difficult.

Ask yourself, How many college/Universities are in the US? and per year how many grads are "being produced"?.

How many of those grads are competing for the same jobs + previous grads with 5-20yrs experience?.

If you do the numbers experience is the only thing that counts.

The only jobs that should require a post secondary education are Science/Medical fields and engineering.

Now, there are some jobs that require some form of education just to get the job, even thought you may not use it.

For example to work for Canada Post(equivalent of the US Postal service) you need a degree in some kind of discipline.

20yrs ago the same delivery man/woman was just a high school graduate.

I beg the question how much education do you need to deliver the mail?.

Lets take a bank teller, the bank teller needs a degree in accounting, economics, businesses or a related field. As soon as they are hired they are trained from the ground up as if they never received any education.

My problem is the following:

1)lets say your a fresh grad you try to apply for related jobs, but are denied because there are already lots of grads with the same degrees and related experience.

You apply for jobs that you are overqualified for, the employers obviously knows your just there until a better job becomes available and has a hard time deciding to hire you.

Also, your boss was hired 10yrs early when the requirements were much lower.

I know several grads working at Canada Post who have university degrees and there bosses only have a high school diploma or a high school diploma with some college/university.

2)Another scenario, your forced to take a job your clearly overqualified, instead of being happy and productive.

Your grumpy and miserable because you have to pay your student loans and are constantly searching for better employment.

There are several disenchanted underemployed grads that are damaging productivity and underemployment costs the economy because precious skills/talents are wasted.