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Topic: Liar Liar, Pants On Fire!
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 30684 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2013 03:16 PM
So, who lies more, men or women? Actually, studies show that both genders lie just about equally. In fact, within ten minutes of a conversation, at least one lie will have been told. The difference between men and women lies (pun intended) in why they lie. Men tend to lie to protect themselves. Women tend to lie to protect others. We learn to lie at a very young age. We lie as soon as we can speak. When I used to work for NASA, we hypothesized on whether or not alien species would lie the way humans do.IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 1580 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted July 21, 2013 04:37 PM
worked for NASA?.... IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 30684 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2013 06:05 PM
That was my dry Cappy humor. I was lying about that part to go along with my original post.IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 9787 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2013 06:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: worked for NASA?....
my first thought to that was: '....as a janitor.....maybe.' sorry. couldnt resist. More dry Cappy (rising) humor. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 2661 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted July 21, 2013 08:48 PM
I wish I could remember more of The Dance of Deception which I read as a teen but can barely recall now. I remember finding it interesting about all the lies told and why (and I believe it focused more on why women lie, both to men and to other women), but not much else. I remember she built up her argument well in my (teenage) opinion that led to her statement that I never forgot (paraphrased from an old memory), "If everyone stopped lying then society as we know it would collapse." IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 1580 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted July 21, 2013 09:54 PM
Okay! thanks Randall & T .... Janitor and not physicist? that's funny!! When I read the part about aliens earlier, it reminded me of Star Trek, and a very old Science Fiction movie. (sorry, Overall, the presentation just caught me a bit off-guard earlier, and I apologize.... Been in a kinda stanger, sadder mood today...) Love to all, and thanks for being kind IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 1580 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted July 21, 2013 10:03 PM
Pixie Jane.... (yes, I had that book, and the one on communication. Had to toss many books recently... don't have it anymore)IP: Logged |
Love&Light Knowflake Posts: 782 From: India Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 22, 2013 11:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: Okay! thanks Randall & T .... Janitor and not physicist? that's funny!! When I read the part about aliens earlier, it reminded me of Star Trek, and a very old Science Fiction movie. (sorry, Overall, the presentation just caught me a bit off-guard earlier, and I apologize.... Been in a kinda stanger, sadder mood today...) Love to all, and thanks for being kind
(((((((mirage29)))))))) And that's no lie. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407 Knowflake Posts: 3245 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012
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posted July 23, 2013 06:23 AM
Just imagine if that expression wasn't just an expression?Just imagine if it was really to happen?
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Faith Moderator Posts: 5242 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 23, 2013 08:35 AM
I don't know the answer to this one. I withhold information a lot more than I see men doing, and I know the reason I do it goes back to concerns about my physical safety. I mouth off to people here once in a while; I almost never do that in person. So all my feisty opinions stay secret. Meanwhile, the men I know will blurt out the most belligerent, controversial things without seeming to care about the consequences. They do this a lot more than the women I know. Which leads me to think the men are more honest. Maybe because they have the physique to back their words up with force if they have to. Just guessing! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 30684 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 25, 2013 01:32 PM
Makes sense. Guys throw caution to the wind.IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 2661 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted July 25, 2013 06:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: I withhold information a lot more than I see men doing, and I know the reason I do it goes back to concerns about my physical safety.I mouth off to people here once in a while; I almost never do that in person. So all my feisty opinions stay secret. Meanwhile, the men I know will blurt out the most belligerent, controversial things without seeming to care about the consequences. They do this a lot more than the women I know. Which leads me to think the men are more honest. Maybe because they have the physique to back their words up with force if they have to
As I've explained before I grew up with one foot in boy world and another in girl world and I've noticed some real differences between them. One is that guys love to stand out, it makes them special and admired (even if only grudgingly so), and when they lie for something other than to get out of trouble it will be to say something special about themselves (like how many males on the internet were former special forces with over a hundred confirmed kills...) Females (especially once a tween to twenties, though some never outgrow it) feel threatened if one stands out who can steal their attention and desirability (which is everything to all too many females), can get the men when she cannot, so tear her down, especially if she "thinks too much" about herself rather than plagued by typical female insecurities. This is one reason for the game many girls play (including on LL as they post a pic of herself, especially teen girls) of saying how ugly they are while fishing for compliments, because that way they don't break the rules about trying to stand out the way a guy does and they can thus get away with bolstering each other up instead of tearing each other down (naturally, the one giving the compliment is then supposed to put down her own looks and receive her own compliments in turn). Society trains us to get the prince, and yet there are only so many princes. And some literally cannot see beyond that, my having a foot in boy world (that is close friends with plenty of boys and having male hobbies) got me listed as a **** . Many girls (and at least a few women) thought I was "playing dirty" to be more desirable to guys, and when I wasn't dating one ("limiting" myself to one) then obviously I was having sex with all of them, because (in their limited minds) why else would I be with them, and they with me? And wow did an evil or extremely stupid PE coach turn an entire gym class against me and an anorexic (both under doctor orders to gain weight) when she said all the other girls were fat...then we had to be torn down despite the fact that neither of us felt vain or anything as they assumed. And it's not just there, a few months ago I was waiting for a friend to pick me and the kids up and we all had a snack while waiting for her and a pizza and several women glared at me while the men didn't and I finally asked the girl with me what it was...and she pointed out the women glaring at me were overweight while I was fit and yet there I was waiting for a pizza and eating a candy bar (and I added WITH KIDS to myself, though I didn't actually give birth to them, but the women wouldn't assume that, nor that it's rare in the extreme for me to eat a candy bar)...so useful to have a high schooler there to remind me. And therefore the only way to maintain social stability is to create rules (sometimes insane conformity!) they all live by so that they don't stand out and thus get torn down by their friends, which of course is influenced by media and other social forces that are often very controlling of females anyway. By the way, this scene was adapted almost word for word from real life (though it was middle school girls instead of high school): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxpI9mLvgGY Granted, the queen bees exist, but they're often into mind games rather than the open pandering or belligerence of a guy as she'd be condemned as an evil ***** if she was overt. I've seen queen bees so masterful that they can order someone shunned with a mere look or tone of voice (and I've literally seen girls flinch at such looks!) that instantly cue her followers to instantly turn on the one out of favor, and even boys have remarked on how insane the girls can be when fighting each other whereas boys usually learn to just fight it out openly and get over it instead as that's what being a man is about, but not being a woman. And recent LL drama shows how women think you're not supposed to call them on it, that you're "hurting" them when all they were trying to do was "help." (In contrast, guys typically just use profanity and even threaten each other instead, or if more civilized then play "mine is bigger than yours" with their degrees or other accomplishments.) The public exceptions more often than not prove the rule than call it into question (such as the women on Jerry Springer who are loud and obnoxious are generally shown as freaks for it). Of course men play into it as well (like how many outspoken women get called ******* or ugly by men, just as by women), though I think it's actually more likely for females to harshly judge and hate on strong women than it is for males, but the males who do are going to be much more vocal and direct about it whereas women are more likely to whisper among themselves and shun the said person. So yeah, women tend to withhold themselves a lot more, especially IRL when it's much more likely to stand out and thus cost them friends and ability to survive as they make their friends feel threatened (whereas it helps guys to get ahead because it's "spineless" for a guy to not stand out). It's one reason I came online to share thoughts and the like because I learned early that expressing myself (or even just asking the questions no one else would) just got me into trouble, and if I were as open about my thoughts IRL (generally speaking) as I am online then I'd probably be homeless now. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 5416 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 26, 2013 05:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: Society trains us to get the prince, and yet there are only so many princes. And some literally cannot see beyond that, my having a foot in boy world (that is close friends with plenty of boys and having male hobbies) got me listed as a **** . Many girls (and at least a few women) thought I was "playing dirty" to be more desirable to guys, and when I wasn't dating one ("limiting" myself to one) then obviously I was having sex with all of them, because (in their limited minds) why else would I be with them, and they with me?
And wow did an evil or extremely stupid PE coach turn an entire gym class against me and an anorexic (both under doctor orders to gain weight) when she said all the other girls were fat...then we had to be torn down despite the fact that neither of us felt vain or anything as they assumed. And it's not just there, a few months ago I was waiting for a friend to pick me and the kids up and we all had a snack while waiting for her and a pizza and several women glared at me while the men didn't and I finally asked the girl with me what it was...and she pointed out the women glaring at me were overweight while I was fit and yet there I was waiting for a pizza and eating a candy bar (and I added WITH KIDS to myself, though I didn't actually give birth to them, but the women wouldn't assume that, nor that it's rare in the extreme for me to eat a candy bar)...so useful to have a high schooler there to remind me. And therefore the only way to maintain social stability is to create rules (sometimes insane conformity!) they all live by so that they don't stand out and thus get torn down by their friends, which of course is influenced by media and other social forces that are often very controlling of females anyway. By the way, this scene was adapted almost word for word from real life (though it was middle school girls instead of high school): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxpI9mLvgGY Granted, the queen bees exist, but they're often into mind games rather than the open pandering or belligerence of a guy as she'd be condemned as an evil ***** if she was overt. I've seen queen bees so masterful that they can order someone shunned with a mere look or tone of voice (and I've literally seen girls flinch at such looks!) that instantly cue her followers to instantly turn on the one out of favor, and even boys have remarked on how insane the girls can be when fighting each other whereas boys usually learn to just fight it out openly and get over it instead as that's what being a man is about, but not being a woman. And recent LL drama shows how women think you're not supposed to call them on it, that you're "hurting" them when all they were trying to do was "help." (In contrast, guys typically just use profanity and even threaten each other instead, or if more civilized then play "mine is bigger than yours" with their degrees or other accomplishments.) The public exceptions more often than not prove the rule than call it into question (such as the women on Jerry Springer who are loud and obnoxious are generally shown as freaks for it).
I wasn't going to come back here for a little while, but you have described my experiences perfectly - in high school, and online. I've never been interested in being a "queen bee." I've never understood it. I just wanted to get along. I've been on the receiving end of being turned on - yet again, just recently - and this is why I was SO hurt and angry by something that happened almost three years ago. I explained that to someone here the other morning, and I haven't got over it. I'm still not over it, precisely because I was the quiet one who was turned on, out of convenience for someone else (maybe more than one person), who wanted to "out" their friends, and also maintain their part in a group. It's disgusting to me, and amazing, too. They didn't like them, but they didn't want to lose their place in the social hierarchy. I didn't lie to anyone here, and I explained something in an email - but I haven't checked my email, because I've been resting, sleeping, and trying to deal with things at home, and in my life offline. If I'd have known so much drama would be brought into my life by getting to know people on a message board, I never would have posted - and I don't say that to fight, I'm just stating a fact. It's weird how we ignore the fact that people can act in certain ways throughout their lives, but for some reason, we turn a blind eye to it until it happens again to us; I guess we have to, otherwise we wouldn't trust anyone, and there are some who are worthy of that trust. I do think that both genders lie equally. I've experienced being hit on, and then having them lie about it. I must be delusional and jealous of the girl they're with, because he would *never* do that, and I have nobody. I could have had *him* briefly, but I wouldn't do that - also had no interest in them - and even then, it would have been turned around to have me as a jealous person, trying to steal someone's man. I've seen men lie about other things, too - losing their wallets, making secret phone calls to other women, and so on. Lying to each other about their "numbers". I've mentioned my sister's now-husband several times, as someone who lied, and came between the two of us. But the women: they choose to continue to be lied to, because they don't have the confidence in themselves, to either be alone, or move on with someone new. They're in a comfort zone of their own, so they lie to themselves about any concerns that may lay in that direction. I trust one of the women who has been deemed to be a liar here, and I may now be considered one of those women, either because of they believe, or because I'm friends with her. I only care a little bit; I care more about her, and the fact that she has always, *always* had my back, when others were busy putting the knife in. Randall said something to me a few weeks ago, about having to trust people (or something to that effect), but I really don't. I'm learning that, once again. I trusted, because I wanted to believe that people were worth it, but they aren't. They're too busy looking out for themselves. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 30684 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 27, 2013 01:19 PM
There are two main categories of lies: innocuous lies and lies that cause damage.IP: Logged |
HRH-FishAreFish Knowflake Posts: 86 From: Twin Cities, Land of 10,000 Seas Registered: May 2013
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posted July 27, 2013 04:15 PM
Interesting thread. I tend to be hostile towards liars. And litterers. Especially, habitual litterers and non-recyclers, who pollute my planet. They really, really p*ss me off. I can't stop myself from informing them that reincarnation is the real deal and I don't want to sit around in their sh*t and garbage in my next life. And they should think about whether or not they want to live their next life in their own sh*t and garbage too. *rant over* [Can you say sh*t here? We have a lot of farms here and the kids don't even get in trouble for saying "sh*t at school. Cow **** . Horse **** . It's farm life.] Anyways... "Pisces people don't lie. They just now and then avoid the truth. Pisceans have two reasons for avoiding the truth, on those occasions when they do it. Because it (1) involves something very intimate and personal about their own lives, in which case it is none of your business or anyone else's for that matter; or because (2) it might possibly, in the Fishes compassionate opinion, be hurtful to someone." ~aL.G.ae So, I guess I was just wondering if the NASA scientists had anything to say about which Sign, or Signs, have a proclivity towards untruthfulness? LOve & LIght , Stephanie __________________________________________ Got the Wings of Heaven on my Shoes. I'm a dancin' man and I just can't lose. You know it's all right, it's OK. I'll live to see another day. We can try to understand the New York Times' effect on man. ~Stayin' Alive/The Bee Gees IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 30684 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 28, 2013 04:29 PM
NASA doesn't consider Astrology real, so no.IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 1580 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted July 29, 2013 02:37 AM
I think NASA believes in :Gemini: !! Which is "Mercury" Ruled? teasel... hope you feel better {{{hug }}} IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 30684 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 01, 2013 10:52 PM
Many at NASA believe in manmade global warming, but they don't believe in Astrology.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 30684 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 05, 2013 08:22 PM
Might start a lies thread in Sweet Peas. IP: Logged | |