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PixieJane
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posted July 21, 2015 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found these experiments with 3 and 6-month olds interesting, especially as the experiments got more complex.

Though I was surprised at how the instinctive desire for justice seems tied to the instinctive desire to harm those who are perceived as different (that is babies are born with both an elemental sense of justice AND distrust of the different, rather than they learn justice and bigotry, again at an elemental level). I guess it makes sense, but I'm still pondering it (even what role reincarnation, if any, might play in baby psychology).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRvVFW85IcU

Note that these experiments have been going on for years (as well as on different ages), which means it pretty much crosses astrological differences (though of course a detailed analysis of all of them with enough info to analyze their natal charts would also be interesting).

Though as the experiment goes on to older kids (up to tweens) I'm recalling a solution we kids had on being fair at a very young age: when splitting something one kid would divide it and that same kid would then pick their share last after everyone else.

And I've seen tweens get vicious to others who were different even over the most trivial ways (like which channel or actress they preferred--just as trivial as the difference between Cheerios and graham crackers). But then so do adults (sometimes over the most trivial stuff and can escalate to actual violence, particularly in regards to sports like jumping someone who is--probably unknowingly--wearing the "wrong" colors or even riots and mass vandalism). Not all, of course, but enough that it's hardly surprising to anyone.

If anyone finds this disturbing then I hope the words of Sirius Black can comfort you: "We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are."

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posted July 21, 2015 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I recall what Granny said about me and my cousin. My cousin was reckless and was always breaking things and hurting himself as well as running out into the street...it was a hassle to keep him in line (and alive).

In contrast she says I tended to confound her with the things I'd say and do, and sometimes I got so frustrated in trying to be understood that I'd just start pointing rather than saying anything (I apparently did this up until I was 4). While in many ways I was more cautious and learned very fast I scared her more because I'd do things she'd never expect. Sometimes it was just pulling a drawer out and then sorting through the contents (maybe holding utensils up trying to figure them out or to her with a question in my eyes) to actually trying to dismantle devices (including phone and TV when I was 4 which exasperated her--and when I saw an uncle use a screwdriver I had to start trying to unscrew everything and was upset when Granny made sure I couldn't get at it). And she says she could always see the "wheels turning" behind my eyes but rarely had any idea what I was thinking, and that scared her. And a dark side to the learning fast was I could apply it to her, like after I sucked on her cigarette and got sick I got into the habit of taking cigarettes out of her mouth (I apparently didn't want her to get sick like I did) and wouldn't stop until I got spanked over it.

She said she once walked in on me with the lamp shade off, light bulb on the floor and me stuffing a toy into the socket when she yelled at me to stop and was very relieved to find that it was still "off." She'd checked on me because I was being quiet. Whereas she wished my cousin wasn't so loud she got nervous if I was quiet too long because it could mean I was concentrating...and perhaps being sneaky.

Her favorite story on our differences is that my cousin was running around and slammed into a wall. He shrieked in rage at the wall, got up and ran into even harder. (His Aries sun and other fire placements at work?) And he quickly forgot the lessons so he'd do it again repeatedly.

In contrast I ran into a wall only once that she's aware of and she was immediately bothered because I don't bawl like more toddlers would. Instead I looked at the wall as if stunned and again with the "wheels turning behind your eyes" and after that I never ran into another...and I learned to navigate other obstacles while watching my speed as well so that I not only learned more caution with walls but could apply what I learned elsewhere. She liked that about me, but at the same time she was more worried about me surviving long enough to learn better because I was always doing unexpected things whereas my cousin was at least predictable and not very creative (I think Granny would say he didn't bother to think about what he was doing while I did--which for a toddler is not such a good thing).

While not dealing with morality I think it shows that the people we'd one day become was already in the process of becoming even then (though life events would shape us further).

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posted July 21, 2015 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was pretty cautious as a kid, and I'm an Aries. I didn't act like your cousin. My sister was like you in the way that she did things on the sly - she was usually up to something. As she got older, she raged, mainly against me. She stopped for years, but started again: her default setting for releasing frustration, was that I got the brunt of it.

I was kind to other kids, and remember thinking that my mother was too impulsive - either jumping into relationships, or moving. She was more grounded in other ways.

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posted July 23, 2015 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixie, I love the energy in your posts when you talk about your beloved Granny. There's a 'cherishing' there. You make me want to love her, too.

What a fascinating study! ... I'm glad that society today is recognizing and valuing children more.

I would have LOVED to have seen those baby natal charts. The studies may have been from the late 1990s, 2002, 2008? There were some major energy shifts during those times-- not to mention the whole trauma-environmental vibe of USA 9-11.

Pluto shifts from Sag to Capricorn, Neptune from Aqua to Pisces, Uranus from Pisces to Aries, Saturn from around Gemini to Cancer. There were nodal sign-shifts also during those times. (Wouldn't it be interesting if some astrologers did a follow-up on that?)

Another thing?... I wonder how much influence "color-choices" had in the experiments? Colors have subtle effects too on neuropsychology (emotions feelings)?

Sometimes general acceptance-levels of behaviors swing to one side or another. When not-everyone has an instinct towards doing Good to their fellow humans, the notion of established codes of conduct, and modeling good behaviors, plus enhancing the worth of having nobility of soul and character, can help the world feel an increase of pleasure in living.

(And, saying Hi here to Teasel! ...)

(music) Children Will Listen (Barbra Streisand) [4:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAf13cKZ4Tc

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PixieJane
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posted July 24, 2015 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just recalled an interview with JK Rowling in which she had the villain born under tragic circumstances and in an orphanage because she came across something that strongly suggested infants who don't get a lot of loving contact when very small become very maladjusted.

That would make sense to me because at that age it would be a threat to survival, and when survival is threatened people tend to get vicious...and in the case of babies their brains are still being formed!

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PixieJane
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posted July 24, 2015 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good questions, Mirage.

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