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Topic: The Sole True Reason we Fear anything: Eating Factory Farmed Meat
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soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 02, 2017 05:25 PM
I finally found it out. How many of you have been vegetarian for 3+ months? That's long enough to know (2 years for me personally) That. This massive fear that we are going to die, or our relatives will die, is not natural. I am not making this up, I've tested it many times now. When I eat meat, after being vegetarian, this massive fear came over me, just like growing up it always was. Now I eat wild caught salmon, absolutely no fear whatsoever. I ate it for 2 weeks, not a shred or ounce of fear. But then I go and eat something, chicken, it causes massive fear on me when it hits about 16-24 hours. That's when I eat natural fish for 2 weeks and then I eat just an ounce of chicken and no fear but the next day BAM. Massive fear. So I always thought it was just MEAT that didn't work well with my energy that made me feel horrible. But it's not MEAT but it's MEAT from ANIMALS that were RAISED in incredibly poor places. They can sense everything a lot more than you and I. It's plainly obvious that their comrades are being taken to be killed. It's plainly obvious they know they are about to have their time come where they will die. Forcibly. Their thoughts and energy are, as foolish as some would easily dismiss because science is at a baby stage in understanding small things and metaphysics. Science can't even tell if chemo kills the patients or the cancer. So don't expect science to know about energy or chemicals effecting us. They can't study small things like that. So it happened again I went for a week or so, no meat or just wild salmon and nothing. But I eat just a piece of bacon, and when it hits, massive fear of death. This fear is not natural, it comes from a source, and that source is animals feelings. There is much we don't know. I know many of you can relate, a massive fear. It would never exist in reality if not for you know. Those environments that should never naturally exist. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 6511 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted February 02, 2017 08:45 PM
I can relate. I have a fear of death or sickness. I do eat a little meat , I prefer veggies, but yes- I do eat every now and then, and every time I eat it, I feel sorry for the dead animal. I once watched this short clip of a pig being taken away to be killed, they pushed her in a tight room that was a butchery, there was only one iron bathtub inside and the walls were splashed and covered with old blood. The pig was squealing of course as the butcher approached her with the machete. I wish I had never seen that clip, I cannot delete it off my memory. Its the sight of what's wrong with the humanity as a whole. It was disgusting. I hope I can forget it but it doesn't go away. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 5839 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 03, 2017 01:06 AM
I can relate to absorbing emotions and pain the animal has gone through whenever I eat meat. It is the reason why I don't eat meat these days. I do still eat egg, I'm still experimenting with it. I once looked into the eyes of the butcher, I didn't like what I saw.But I disagree with your notion that the fear of death is caused by eating meat. I saw some lifelong vegans nearly p!ss their pants in near-death situations. Humans are at a higher stage than animals IMO, but we possess bodies just like the animals, the fear of death might originate from the body, because the body dies one day, and that is a fact whether one accepts it or not. IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 03, 2017 08:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: But I disagree with your notion that the fear of death is caused by eating meat.
Well with all due respect, it wasn't an opinion. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 10291 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 03, 2017 08:40 AM
By your theory, wouldn`t Cleve Backsters primary perception factor in here for the vegens?------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 03, 2017 08:49 AM
Yes. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 5839 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 03, 2017 10:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by soren: Well with all due respect, it wasn't an opinion.
What is it then? a theory ? You can conduct a survey here, gather all the vegans of LL in a thread and ask them if they have any fear. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79166 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 03, 2017 02:10 PM
When animals are slaughtered, hormones are released that alter brain chemistry and cause violent behavior in humans. Not sure about fear. But if Clive Baxter is correct, it would add another dimnension to things. Fruit is meant to be consumed. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 10291 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 03, 2017 03:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: When animals are slaughtered, hormones are released that alter brain chemistry and cause violent behavior in humans. Not sure about fear. But if Clive Baxter is correct, it would add another dimnension to things. Fruit is meant to be consumed.
... and then there are those animals who are euthanized quickly without fear so the hormones are not released. Mass market meat, yes. private farms, no. ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 10291 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 03, 2017 03:49 PM
@Randall, oddly I remember Linda saying Clive Baxter too but it is actually Cleve Backster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleve_Backster ------------------ Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 03, 2017 05:32 PM
i felt their pain, as the meat was in me, it made me think they don't want to die. they anticipate death for years and they didn't want to die. if i was in my house and trapped and the people said in one year they will take me to forcibly die, imagine that, now i just remade the feelings i get when i eat factfarm meat. just imagine that, in 1 year you are trapped and they will take you. nothing you can do to change it. now how do you feel? it feels the exact same feeling as when i fear death. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79166 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 03, 2017 07:53 PM
Yes, Cleve.IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 06, 2017 09:17 PM
Update: I ate a bunch of meat since then. I didn't get that deep fear feeling once. However the only times I believe I had gotten it before: Were when i ate meat. In fact I felt amazing this time. I just felt so many deep feelings about existence and life it felt so good and I love feeling like an animal not sure if it does that but humans need to feel like animals. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 71584 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 06, 2017 09:35 PM
Kosher meat has humane killing of the animals. I am mainly raw vegan, but I do have fish when I go out.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 79166 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 09, 2017 03:14 PM
Kosher is good. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 6679 From: Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 09, 2017 09:24 PM
Fascinating observation Soren... IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 6679 From: Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 09, 2017 09:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Kosher meat has humane killing of the animals. I am mainly raw vegan, but I do have fish when I go out.
I did not know that about kosher killing, good to know! IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 09, 2017 09:48 PM
nah meat isn't that bad. i'm not sure. i dont care anymore from the things i found out and found out about. oh well. i'm sure if you ate home grazed free roam cattle for 2 months compared to fact farm there might be differences. the latter may add a "dark" view of reality. i think its true. we embody the energy is likely. that's probably why i got in a lot of debates cause i started eating factfarm meat i absorbed and felt the negative energy. not sure if it was right or wrong what happened from me eating all that meat and causing outlashes. oh well if they want to come back tthey just ask rnadall. shouldnt be a big deal i mean getting banned is one thing asking to just delete your account is anoter. ahve a good night just saw you commented. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 6679 From: Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 09, 2017 10:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by soren: nah meat isn't that bad. i'm not sure. i dont care anymore from the things i found out and found out about. oh well. i'm sure if you ate home grazed free roam cattle for 2 months compared to fact farm there might be differences. the latter may add a "dark" view of reality. i think its true. we embody the energy is likely. that's probably why i got in a lot of debates cause i started eating factfarm meat i absorbed and felt the negative energy. not sure if it was right or wrong what happened from me eating all that meat and causing outlashes. oh well if they want to come back tthey just ask rnadall. shouldnt be a big deal i mean getting banned is one thing asking to just delete your account is anoter. ahve a good night just saw you commented.
Soren you did nothing wrong, on the contrary you listened to your conscious and did what you felt was right over and over again and I admire you for it. I just get tired of trying to make a point to an audience that doesn't want to listen. This time you took the reins of that role so thanks for having the strength and stamina to do that. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Moderator Posts: 2346 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted February 13, 2017 12:04 PM
Hm, I've simply never liked meat, so I've been pescatarian most of my life. I recently stopped eating fish also, as the earth has been over-fished and is struggling to recover at the rate we are consuming fish. We are down to something like 7% fish from 50 years ago.Check out Sylvia Earle's life-long work for further info on protecting the oceans and over-fishing. IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 13, 2017 12:45 PM
it does effect me profoundly to know about the lowering of fish. just as it effects me to know of factory farming, and also pollution (plastic). however they are implementing means this year (machines) to tackle ocean plastic. can't say the same for fish though. hopefully people will cut down on the fish. i've seen destiny works through every strand of existence though so i've felt and understood it time and time again that god really is with everyone. so hopefully it knows what it's doing IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer Moderator Posts: 2346 From: Sound Registered: Aug 2011
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posted February 13, 2017 01:06 PM
The earth does indeed have phenomenal powers of regeneration. I guess it is a personal decision based on conscience for me - I want to minimise the amount of unnecessary harm I do while I am here.The meat was not a moral stance for me, but eating fish is. Interestingly, I do now feel physically unwell if I eat meat. I am always concerned about my iron levels (I'm inconsistent with spinach!), so I will very occasionally eat red meat, but boy do I pay for it for days afterwards. I feel heavy and fatigued and bloated. The earth will always go through climate changes, floods, ice ages, extinctions, etc, these have happened for millennia, but these are natural processes. I don't think we quite have the technology yet to measure what is our impact and what is a natural process. It's a risk I'm personally not willing to take, so I play it safe, and I remind myself: food is simply for survival, I can get what I need from multiple sources and my social life can revolve around more creative and stimulating matters than food! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 79166 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 21, 2017 10:40 PM
Indeed!IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
well last night, i had some bbq 'pre-edible' salmon. it was hitting me all this morning. yes it does encourage me to not think before i act, but i felt like i enjoyed it. now the thing is, few days former, ate just a bit of chicken lasagna- even took out the chicken. but it was still infested with the meat. this morning- i did not have a fear of life or of anything dying ONCE. NEVER crossed my mind. maybe i was a little more high strung. in my mind and body. but nothing that bad. when the lasagna was hitting me (as i have x3 aries including sun (well first house which is imb even better than aries)) so i know i have tons of self awareness of my brain. so i know when meat is in me. i'm always counting the dots. when the lasagna meat hit me, when it does its just like a " " coming from my mind and i immedietly feel that my relative who im with is gonna die soon and i just feel really really stressed in those moments. IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 3962 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted March 02, 2017 10:57 AM
now i think i know how native americans felt (before they were colonized, just on their own) after they ate meat, they danced around a fire, passionately, wildly, and probably faught for fun. there was a journal saying "the native americans were fighting EACH OTHER" as an excuse as to why the whites could take over. not to bring up race i am just saying how meat makes you feel so alive. if those native americans were eating factory farmed chicken/beef. they probably wouldnt run around and feel so good. they'd probably have to "go off and sit on a rock for a while, from feeling so bad" but this salmon.. got me feeling like life can/should be good all the time just gotta know the little quirks IP: Logged |