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Topic: Paying for your parents sins?
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Shulia Knowflake Posts: 293 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted December 05, 2018 10:35 AM
Where is that believe coming from? I just went to an ayurvedic doctor to have have purification therapy called ' panchakarma'. He asked me so many things about my health and all. But he insisted so much in the lifes of my parents , not just phisicall health but their actions. Then he said its because I had their sins in my body because children pay for the parents sins and he had to clean that. I found it a horrible idea but I remember in the Bible also there is something like that. Of course we get traumas from our parents but... paying for their sins? I dont find it a wise view but at the same time I feel indians somehow have ancient true knowledge in their culture. I just wonder where is this idea coming from or why there is this believe because I feel it may be a missconception of something else. Like... they say you have to pray before conceiving a baby , in order to atract high souls. But as Linda says it is not about praying but about feeling in love with the person you have sex with. Then light is there naturally. If you pray so much but there is no love then its pointless and your true feelings for that person is what will atract darkness or light. That is one example of a missconception of something real. Anyway... about what I asked... any ideas about this you wanna share?
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ballerina Moderator Posts: 2163 From: A Place on Earth Registered: Feb 2014
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posted December 05, 2018 12:19 PM
I see it this way... ..we are all born with our own karma.. The karma our parents are born with will be experienced by them, and also by us..we will be a part of it. All the good karma, and all the bad karma. So, in a sense we also pay for those sins. I hope I made sense!------------------ All my love, with all my Heart lotusheartone/Emeraldopal IP: Logged |
Shulia Knowflake Posts: 293 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted December 06, 2018 04:16 AM
Yes that makes sense balerina! I guess the problem is that supersticious people may use it in a wrong way and think that some people are curssed and treat them badly, and... every person should be born with the oportunity to start a clean new life and to evolve feeling free and lucky. By the way, I like your name!IP: Logged |
ballerina Moderator Posts: 2163 From: A Place on Earth Registered: Feb 2014
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posted December 06, 2018 05:30 PM
Thanks, Shulia ..the problem is our karma carries over into the next incarnation, leaving us to earn that clean slate... ..learning to use the energy from a higher consciousness.. thus not giving energy to negative lower consciousness... What we think and believe is energy to be used wisely for the good of All. ... ------------------ All my love, with all my Heart lotusheartone/Emeraldopal IP: Logged |
PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 9598 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted December 06, 2018 05:44 PM
I find myself skeptical of him. Even if India has some "pure knowledge" (which I don't believe based on their culture historically and modern), that doesn't mean individuals from India can't be wrong or unscrupulous (and for gods sake if someone with an Indian accent--or any, for that matter-calls to tell you that you have a virus on your computer, you owe taxes and the police will come unless you pay them, or a host of other scams then HANG UP). I looked up panchakarma healing and it appears to be yoga and herbs for the most part with a few other things that "parent's karma" doesn't seem to be part of (I only checked information sites, not those selling it). I also found this on Ayurveda and Karma: http://www.ayurvedacollege.com/blog/ayurveda-and-concept-karma All in all I would be very cautious about this healer. It sounds to me like he's selling indulgences (that is, a shady/dodgy practice the Catholic Church used to do in making people pay money to relieve themselves or their loved ones of sin/punishment). Though it's convenient for many to list the sins of their parents rather than themselves, which of course allows him to charge more for "cleaning" you of all those who come to him share with him. It sounds to me like his own karma is getting sullied. As for the idea of karma/sin passed down through the blood...I've had to put up with that. People in a Bible Belt town thought it was okay to treat me and others badly because of it (not that they were particularly loving or Christ-like to people in general). It's also illogical since it's a perpetuating system, if people fall into sin because of the sins of the parents, then that just continues forever...and someone who says they will take that away if you pay them cash should be assumed to be a scammer. IP: Logged |
Shulia Knowflake Posts: 293 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted December 07, 2018 04:43 AM
Hi Pixiejane yes you are right. I think I payed for something which is not a good treatment. Also I got more information and I asked people around... and I got asked about so many private sexual things, which is not necessary at all for panchakarma. People told me already that they had kmowledge 5000 years ago but then it got corruped and then as you say they sell this kind of things like...' you have a cow milk bath and then you are clean from sins'. Some people is wise in India some others just supersticious, so you have to choose wisely which I didnt do... also the whole place is filled with bitterness somehow, the place where you get that. Anyway... I payed already. Its a lesson for next time!
quote: Originally posted by PixieJane: I find myself skeptical of him. Even if India has some "pure knowledge" (which I don't believe based on their culture historically and modern), that doesn't mean individuals from India can't be wrong or unscrupulous (and for gods sake if someone with an Indian accent--or any, for that matter-calls to tell you that you have a virus on your computer, you owe taxes and the police will come unless you pay them, or a host of other scams then HANG UP). I looked up panchakarma healing and it appears to be yoga and herbs for the most part with a few other things that "parent's karma" doesn't seem to be part of (I only checked information sites, not those selling it). I also found this on Ayurveda and Karma: http://www.ayurvedacollege.com/blog/ayurveda-and-concept-karma All in all I would be very cautious about this healer. It sounds to me like he's selling indulgences (that is, a shady/dodgy practice the Catholic Church used to do in making people pay money to relieve themselves or their loved ones of sin/punishment). Though it's convenient for many to list the sins of their parents rather than themselves, which of course allows him to charge more for "cleaning" you of all those who come to him share with him. It sounds to me like his own karma is getting sullied. As for the idea of karma/sin passed down through the blood...I've had to put up with that. People in a Bible Belt town thought it was okay to treat me and others badly because of it (not that they were particularly loving or Christ-like to people in general). It's also illogical since it's a perpetuating system, if people fall into sin because of the sins of the parents, then that just continues forever...and someone who says they will take that away if you pay them cash should be assumed to be a scammer.
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mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 13324 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted December 07, 2018 02:30 PM
Great answers, PJ. About the telephone calls saying there's a virus in your computer?? I've gotten some of those, and they EVEN addressed me by my first name. They keep calling and calling. I've learned to recognize the caller ID's to that now. The money made selling Catholic Indulgences is one of the first things that popped into my head. Supposed to help you 'burn off' hell-time you would have to spend in 'Purgatory' after death-- supposedly the between-world where you are 'sent' to pay for your sins?? .. .. "JESUS paid it ALL"? (if you are a student of bible literature/scriptures)!!!, otherwise it means that his death wasn't 'enough'. *sad* As far as sins are concerned, EACH person is an individual and called into account for their actions-- thoughts, words, deeds, and intentions. Sins of the parents?? As a child, you are steeped in their world, their environment, their own culture, their thought-and-behavior habits. Every child unconsciously picks-up habits "taught" to them by the parents, siblings, teachers clergy social-contacts, and media-world (TV, etc). You're a little sponge, and absorbing everything.. learning to be an "acceptable" little human, with the need to "belong" or socially you fail? At certain points, you learn 'individuation'. You can 'choose' (with your mind/intellect reasoning) behaviors, and learn through direct experience of consequences (shades of good, bad, neutral), feedback (spoken or not). examples... In some families, they consider it "okay" to cheat on 'paying your taxes', with short-cutting and making a "deal" that they know is NOT fair to another person. eg.. Being at an estate-sale. Grieving Widow[er] doesn't know that the bowl they are selling for $1.00 is worth more than $5,000? .. They "legally" sell it for the $1.00. But, was it "right" to not inform her/him (especially if she is of obvious modest-means, and emotionally overwhelmed and grieving) that this particular bowl is worth MUCH more than what she thinks is the listed value? eg.. Some people go to a hotel/motel, and TAKE (steal) the towels or bathrobe (even lamps and unfastened items??); pack them into their suitcases when they leave. Maybe the attitude that "everybody does it" and they expect it, would make it "okay" (the norm) to DO that?? eg.. Restaurant. They take items off the table and slip into their bags items that belong to the owners. Maybe as youngsters, they 'saw' this modeled by the parents/care-takers as being "okay" to do. They continue such behavior when they are adults. Sin (not doing the right thing) "passed down" from the parents. Maybe as youngsters, they 'saw' and heard racist thoughts and hateful behaviors... and adopted this among their friends, culture? (music) Sings You've Got to be Carefully Taught; Children Will Listen Medley (Mandy Patinkin) [3:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owxRpV7l8Dc Hi Ballerina! .. "What we think and believe is energy to be used wisely for the good of All."
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mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 13324 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted December 07, 2018 03:00 PM
I am Grateful for Others who help All by using Love, and forgetting mistakes as a way of covering a Multitude of flaws and sins.I know that 'I' fall short... Sending Love to All … IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 128673 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 08, 2018 04:37 PM
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mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 13324 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted December 08, 2018 08:51 PM
(music) We Fall Down (Donnie McLurkin, gospel) [4:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5s2feN6Yk IP: Logged |
ballerina Moderator Posts: 2163 From: A Place on Earth Registered: Feb 2014
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posted December 09, 2018 01:02 PM
mirage29 I believe we should not forget our mistakes, they are our lessons.. ..as for our flaws, those should be acknowledged, and worked on! We are a work in progress, a pilgrim... ------------------ All my love, with all my Heart lotusheartone/Emeraldopal IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 13324 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted December 09, 2018 06:01 PM
*hugs* Ballerina thank you(music) He Who Began a Good Work in You (Steve Green, lyrics-- Philippians 1:6) [3:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oGxnVvx2AQ (Today is Sunday.) IP: Logged |
Shulia Knowflake Posts: 293 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted December 10, 2018 12:09 AM
Thank you Balerina and Mirage your answers are amazing! IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 13324 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted December 11, 2018 10:55 AM
I found a yt video describing some of what you're saying (sins that are passed down), and how 'this sin' evolved in various forms, and got resolved over multiple generations."Am I My Brother's Keeper"? {old testament story} (topic) Parshat Vayigash: The Moral Compasses of Reuben, Joseph, and Judah (BimBam, posted Dec 2, 2013; Jewish education for children) [3:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ad7TEHMAkc IP: Logged |
ballerina Moderator Posts: 2163 From: A Place on Earth Registered: Feb 2014
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posted December 11, 2018 11:13 AM
Shulia mirage29 ..and everyOne I love you all so much! ------------------ All my love, with all my Heart lotusheartone/Emeraldopal IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 128673 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 12, 2018 07:32 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 128673 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 21, 2018 09:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Shulia: Thank you Balerina and Mirage your answers are amazing!
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TaurusVenusGirl Knowflake Posts: 950 From: Heavens Above Registered: Aug 2016
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posted July 06, 2020 11:08 AM
Actually, it's called epigenetics. Harder to clear as it damages our DNA. So our actions in life as well as our experiences also affects our offspring.. http://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190326-what-is-epigenetics IP: Logged |