posted April 11, 2020 06:44 PM            

The underdeveloped world is unhappy with the American's response to lockdown call by the Federal and State governments. How did we come to this state? 1/2 a million infected and 20,000 deaths?

How can we do the second task of getting back to normal better? Thoughts?

I go first.

#1. Restaurants social distance rules still apply -- Few people with 6 feet distance between them.

#2. Police monitoring in subways --

#3. Alternate days at work onsite, others keep working from home. Blue team goes to work on monday, Wed, Fri. Red team goes to work, tuesday, thursday and saturday

posted April 11, 2020 08:52 PM            

I don't think that everything should just be opened up. I think that would be premature and dangerous, going by what the experts have said.

posted April 12, 2020 12:32 AM            

I definitely am not okay with staying at home until November.

Trump reached his goal to become President, I don't think he cares if he is re-elected specially given the **** storm we are in right now but he will do his best to serve this country like he has so far and is up for the task which is more than I can say for other candidates. You think been president during this time is the dream and something he feels excited about, add that everything he worked for has been destroyed in just a few months which was to build a strong economy and things were real good.

posted April 12, 2020 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Just open everything back up with no limits. The only purpose to social distancing was to slow things down so that we didn't overwhelm hospitals, not to make the virus disappear.

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Exactly!

The virus is not going to disappear that is the reality and we have to learn to live with this reality and staying at home indefinitely is a fantasy. Is choosing to HIDE and not deal with the problem and instead hide and run (Flight instead of Fight).

This is scary times for all of us but we have to have hope, be brave and confront this head on and it will only get better after it gets worse first as that is often how things are.

I know there is a chance I will die, or my husband or my family and don't want any of those things to happen believe me and yes is scary to think of these possible outcomes but hiding until November to then realize that we are just delaying the inevitable and cannot control mother nature and then decide to open up the economy then to have the second wave of this happen then is just going to make this thing last longer and destroy the economy in the process.

We cannot prevent this from happening and that is an illusion of control, we can prepare our hospitals to minimize impact that is what we can do and keep working on finding a vaccine but that can take many years.

posted April 12, 2020 02:38 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
And the hospitals won’t get overwhelmed if people are reinfected, and the rest of us are out there infecting others?

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I mean I can't guarantee that but we can criticize the government for not preparing well enough during this whole time we have been quarantined if that is the case, they are suppose to be preparing the hospitals and I truly hope that is what they are doing...

But regardless closing the economy in a more long term way is not sustainable and will weaken us and make this situation even worse I feel and that is the thing and why this is a tough decision but none the less a tough decision that needs to be made.

There are no guarantees with this and that is uncomfortable ofcourse, we just have to prepare as much as POSSIBLE (it won't be perfect either) and move forward bc inevitably the numbers will spike up again once we open up the economy regardless of when it happens is my opinion.

I think is normal to feel scared and hesitant and uncertain throughout this whole process but we have to act.

ACTION: prepare hospitals
ACTION: open up the economy and wear masks and continue practicing social distancing for a few months after we open the economy back up.

Staying at home was taking action bc it was about slowing this down to buy us time to prepare the hospitals more and waiting to flatten the curve but once that is accomplished the next step is to open up the economy because we have to.

posted April 12, 2020 06:21 AM            

Rule 1 to an existing problem: what is the ROOT cause? Example: WHY are Person X's gums bleeding? Treatment should not be applied to said blood but the actual root cause. This will also work for many psycjologial problems as there are almost, always, a root cause.

Any disease, surely, will have a domino effect? But it must, equally surely, have started somewhere?

posted April 12, 2020 12:30 PM            

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I don't get why this was moved to Lindaland Central 2. Its weird.

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I don't know either. This is not just about public health but also about kick-starting the economy from this pause.

Agree with most here--I too am extending my quarantine atleast until May 5.

posted April 12, 2020 12:52 PM            

This gives others who dont enter GU to read and post.

posted April 12, 2020 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
And the hospitals won’t get overwhelmed if people are reinfected, and the rest of us are out there infecting others?

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This, so much.

The very thing that we are trying to avoid with social distancing and closed schools/businesses, will happen about 2 weeks after you open everything back up. Actually it will be worse bc people will not feel the need to practice those social distancing skills...they will go on vacations, celebrate holidays, travel, etc just like you would expect them to during the summer months. Hospitals will be overwhelmed yet again. Many states (including my own) have not even approached their peak date yet, and if you open things up before that date has passed, then you’re not flattening the curve.

posted April 12, 2020 06:48 PM            

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LLC 2.0 has more traffic and this is a universal concern .

This gives others who dont enter GU to read and post.

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posted April 12, 2020 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
This, so much.

The very thing that we are trying to avoid with social distancing and closed schools/businesses, will happen about 2 weeks after you open everything back up. Actually it will be worse bc people will not feel the need to practice those social distancing skills...they will go on vacations, celebrate holidays, travel, etc just like you would expect them to during the summer months. Hospitals will be overwhelmed yet again. Many states (including my own) have not even approached their peak date yet, and if you open things up before that date has passed, then you’re not flattening the curve.

I know it’s hard, being stuck at home. But we CAN do this. Things will eventually open back up but hopefully not before the scientists advise us to.

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I am concerned they are not preparing the hospitals effectively but there is still time....

I do agree we have to wait until we flatten the curve, I am hoping we reached a peak this month and that the curve is flattening right now. I have heard that the initial projections have ended up been faulty and that we OVER-projected but lets see how it plays out the rest of the month.

"I know it’s hard, being stuck at home. But we CAN do this. Things will eventually open back up but hopefully not before the scientists advise us to."

I mean I have been doing this thing right and taking it seriously but once we open up the economy regardless of when we do it the numbers should spike up and the idea is that hospitals will be better equipped to deal with it by then.

Scientists too can be wrong bc they are not looking at the whole picture and have biases. I mean we need to listen to them but also understand they have blindspots and biases, they are not thinking about the impact of the economy been shut down for too long and that also is something that impacts everything. Imagine been sick and also behind on all your bills for several months on the verge of been homeless.

I want us to really think about this and that is why is important to discuss this openly like we are doing here and value your input and all your opinions are valid and important and I don't feel super sure about my own opinions on this bc this situation is crazy, is a delicate balance we have to figure out with this thing.

posted April 12, 2020 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
They should just reopen everything and start realizing they've been giving sick people the wrong treatment..

Rule 1 to an existing problem: what is the ROOT cause? Example: WHY are Person X's gums bleeding? Treatment should not be applied to said blood but the actual root cause. This will also work for many psycjologial problems as there are almost, always, a root cause.

Any disease, surely, will have a domino effect? But it must, equally surely, have started somewhere?

To me, it appears many dr's have aggressively treated problems with lungs. This might have been the proper thing to do once they figured out why there was an issue with lungs in the first place. Now it appears there is a lack of oxygen. FOLLOW THE TRAIL!!

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"Lack of oxygen."

I know oxygen tanks are critical to treat this, I would love to hear more about this and if you have any links or articles on this that you can share or youtube videos that would be great.

posted April 12, 2020 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Its better to wait and see right now....let those who want to jump into the flames first jump, rest need to see what happens..

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hahahahaha I love that honesty, I get were you are coming from, you are protecting yourself, I get that.

posted April 12, 2020 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:

It seems NJ governor passed an executive order for people to cover face with masks or bandana or any face cloth in public places starting tomorrow. In Philadelphia it didn't go well.

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Maybe all states need to encourage STRONGLY that everyone wears masks but I don't think it should be criminalized.

posted April 13, 2020 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
>>but I don't think it should be criminalized.

This is where the developing countries don't agree. 1/2 million infected? No one is above the law.

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The numbers of death fatalities are low and mostly consist of the elderly who have underlying health conditions, we are putting the masses in a super vulnerable position when we should just do a targeted quarantine and utilize our resources to help protect people with underlying health conditions and you are talking about bending over and giving up your rights and arresting people over not wearing a mask. People are willing turn this country into Nazi Germany over this.

"If you’re going to quarantine people, why not quarantine those at greatest risk? We balance imperatives in public health all the time. According to the NIH, the death rate from the smallpox vaccine has historically been about one in every million vaccinations. That’s considerably higher than the death rate from Coronavirus in this country for people under 45. To be clear: We are not arguing against the smallpox vaccine. Obviously. It’s one of the reasons life expectancy has risen. We’re strongly for it. The point is, a crisis like this requires rational decision making. So far our leaders clearly aren’t capable if it."

Please everyone Watch this video: http://www.facebook.com/TuckerCarlsonTonight/videos/1346031879120977/

posted April 14, 2020 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Let's open back up!

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That would go against science. Many states have not reached their peak yet, and when they do, that is for each governor/state to deliberate on and work out.

I know everyone is bored at home, I know this is difficult for many people, but you know what? As hard as this is right now, imagine how difficult this will be in the middle of a 2nd outbreak and possible total lockdown to then stifle another major outbreak. For the 2nd outbreak, our supplies will be even more depleted and our hospitals will be overwhelmed again (many still are, btw, just look at what is happening in Detroit area hospitals). If we open up too soon, we are opening ourselves up for more problems and many more losses.

posted April 14, 2020 03:21 PM            

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The numbers of death fatalities are low and mostly consist of the elderly who have underlying health conditions, we are putting the masses in a super vulnerable position when we should just do a targeted quarantine and utilize our resources to help protect people with underlying health conditions and you are talking about bending over and giving up your rights and arresting people over not wearing a mask. People are willing turn this country into Nazi Germany over this.

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Quarantine targetted? Just as Hitler did with the Jews. The non healthy, the homos , the mentally handicap, for a Germany with pure brown haired or blued eyed or tall race. That to me is dictatorship.
The poor jews didn't know they were sent to slaughter house. Now will this target group.

Are you suggesting if I'm 14 and healthy. I did not make the list, therefore, I should take the risk of getting infected with the Virus. I don't want to. Just because some one said mortality rate is not high, it is too early to predict about the Virus.