posted November 12, 2020 06:10 PM            

There is a book written by a women, I forgot her last name but she is called Gabrielle.

In the book she talks about the Osíris myth, and How the "true masculine figure " was Lost with the death of Osíris.
Só Isis, misses him só much she would not stop searching for his corpse.

Gabrielle compares our society with this part of the myth, where many are seeking for the Lost "Osíris" especialy women, or man with yin energy, thats why we ser this increece of interest in alternativa thinks, yoga, astrology, healing therapies and só on

She also tells us that a patriarchy, like the solar system, dwelfs around something like the planets around the Sun. that Democracy hás nothing tô do with this, rather It is much more yin orientat, towards matter.

posted November 13, 2020 04:04 AM            

let me search for the autors last name:
Here:

Gabriele Quinque, books from 1997

So in this book she says, that as atonshing that it may sound, we live in a Matriarchy rather than a Patriarchy as modern world likes to state It.

So I was interested to see If there is someoneelse that has ever heard about this

posted November 13, 2020 04:52 AM            

But it aint that complicadet.

The part of the book I am talking about goes like this:

She kind of confronts the reader ,talking directly tô him like: " could you imagine this?" "Leave all tour concepts behind".

So I suppose you have heard about people saying we live in a Patriarchy and/or complaining about It.

So when people say this, I think we can agree that what they mean is, that we live in a society where man has the overhand and a society that follows masculine stantards/ patterns.

What Gabriele simply says is that It is actually the other way around. We live in a Matriarchy.

posted November 13, 2020 04:16 PM            

Quinque, Gabriele :
Temple sleep Egyptian initiation as a journey to the inner mystery

'Isis' searched to gather the pieces of Osiris, then wrap him up, and resurrect him.

They were brother and sister,
then married and had a child after Osiris was put back together.

The Ancient Egyptian God Osiris (his story)
(Voices of Ancient Egypt, Dec2018)
[4:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTJBsFVVpWs

posted November 13, 2020 05:50 PM            

And as for those who talk about living in a patriarchy...that's about the rule of men and valuing what is considered masculine (though again, nothing is ever that simple, and even the Victorians once saw Queen Victoria as their symbol). These traits change, and I don't want to get into subjective values.

If forced to choose I say we live in a patriarchal society, but there is much Yin AND Yang at work regardless of the genders of those at the top. (I trust this isn't a "feminism is destroying western civilization so we're doomed" stupidity, even if one can find feminists with divisive toxic ideologies that are based more on hate and bitterness rather than self-respect, and seek power over rather than equality of opportunity and under the law.)

Your author can invent whatever novel measuring stick she chooses, and if you prefer it then fine. But she can't force the rest of the world to accept that same measuring stick (telling us to leave our definitions behind to embrace her own instead, trading one cage for another), and since I don't know enough about what she says (maybe she defines her terms better that would make more sense) then I don't feel her measuring stick is meaningful.

And as far as I can tell it's a moot point anyway. From how you've explained it, even if we say we "live in a matriarchy" it would change nothing, so it's just mental masturbation using arbitrary standards, which MIGHT be an interesting thought experiment that provides new insights, but I'm not seeing that yet.

But one thing I don't like is how fast language changes. Spin doctors do it all the time, and now with the internet, words are constantly added and changed. Sometimes the very people that invent a word later declare it offensive, and expect everyone else to get the memo. I don't like this because language--not government or religion--is what makes civilization possible. And too many people are messing with language as a form of thought control. And therefore I don't care for this author doing the same, even if in her case it's just some weird thought experiment.

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And a VERY BRIEF explanation of why I don't think she's correct in her assumptions even by her own measuring stick:

People actually have a very similar psychological process to constitutions, charters, and institutions as they do to kings. This is one reason elections tend to have such a powerful effect on us, because it not only affects our national identity, but our PERSONAL identity, even if we didn't vote for the said person (though some will say things like "not my president" or what have you). It's still controlled by a small core of powerful men, and politicians that run for election have to think in the short term rather than the long term, and this is just one of the weaknesses of democracy.

It also doesn't stop expansion (yang) in endless wars (where I think virtually every nation on Earth reserves the great budget for military) and further coalitions to centralize power (NATO, for example), or dismantling it if it's seen as a barrier to one's own power (Russia not liking NATO hemming them in, preventing them from returning to superpower status, for example). Even the Kennedies, that had a much more liberal view of the Americas and sought alliance did so as part of the Cold War, and when they resisted (sometimes resisted American corporate interests) then military force was used, sometimes even to overthrow lawful elections (though when possible it was local insurgents backed by CIA advisors supplying them with intel and weapons). Heck, someone might want to make a show of all the ways the US tried to have Castro assassinated and set it to Benny Hill music.

I'm showing great restraint in not explaining eastern philosophies on yin and yang, and how they are constantly transforming into the other, something the west doesn't get, making the common mistake that something "is or is not" and it's an all or nothing deal, which is too limited a way to understand the world, let alone act in it.

Because of this complexity, I COULD mention aspects that would support this author's claim, but even that gave us something different in the end (like the documentary the Century of the Self in how psychology was used for mass conformity, which created a backlash of individuality and even deliberate chaos promotion that created an overriding self-centered outlook that then got authoritarian politicians elected as long as they gave lip service to the "freedoms" they wanted, and then beyond the documentary, how such a fragmented people now feeling alone looked for tribes with often straightjacket worldviews in a scary world so that we're now more divided than ever in some ways, but also more authoritarian in toxic identity politics of both the Left and Right).

Germany may be different, but they don't sound so, despite being led by a woman, and despite that they bend over backwards to distance themselves from the Nazi past, their society still seems to have a stick up its butt with control freak tendencies anyway. The mandatory military service, while not strictly enforced (though the reason given is to prevent another fascist regime from rising up, so perhaps lack of enforcement should raise some eyebrows) seems rife with sexual harassment of women who "don't belong there."

And I've heard of laws so mind boggling inane that it even dictates (at least in one jurisdiction) how long you MUST walk your dog (without taking into account the law would harm or even kill some breeds of dogs, or their owners, the weather, or the bureaucracy to enforce such a law and what to do with all the dogs that were given up or taken away, sounds like a recipe for doggie genocide, and such power strikes me as very authoritarian to an almost alien degree, when a simpler case by case examination of animal cruelty laws would be a lot more effective without the side effects). Despite Germany's attempts to be progressive, they still strike me as patriarchal from both the standard definitions, and by the definitions of this author, based on my very limited understanding of Germany.

While this divisiveness could be seen as a sign of "matriarchy" to this author, it's actually fighting for power over, not "unity through diversity." In short, it comes down to the same battles kings and emperors once fought, and even democratic states carry a big stick when fighting for their nation's power in diplomacy. And if anything, it has become more effective than ever in uniting the world (despite the still deep divisions) than ever before.

Heck, the Roman Republic was more expansionist than Imperial Rome. And the collapse was largely due to a well earned distrust of emperors, and one embracing an unpopular religion (Christianity), which included torturing a bunch of Jews before they gave up what was supposedly the true Cross of the One God crucified on it only caused splintered states...but the Councils continued, and ruthlessly persecuted rival sects (those Christians were actually more mind boggling cruel to other Christians for being heretics than they were to pagans, people were even tortured and executed for how many fingers they used when crossing themselves, and the organized churches served a similar function politically as the United Nations and NATO do today).

It was very authoritarian, and as Machiavelli (who drew from plenty of Greek and Roman philosophers, and in states that were remnants of shattered Rome, said as well as real life observations--which he seemed to hate but embrace as opposed to celebrate), it was better if the Prince was not religious, but his people were, all the better to control them with. Though one reason life was so cruel back then was because, like among mobsters today, people had to fear you or they'd trample all over you, as it was so divided but so many want to rule the world, at least be the biggest, baddest mofo in it.

Perhaps your author can explain it better, but again, I don't care for people who arbitrarily change the definitions and imply those that don't agree to the new terms are somehow closed minded when words should mean something rather than be made into buzz words to control the way we think and react. And in any case, I have way too many other books that need reading and sound more interesting.

posted November 14, 2020 04:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Surely if that were the case the ratio of male vs. female world leaders would be skewed to the female, rather than the male?

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Id be talking about the system that rules our world, real Power, aint be tlinkg bout puppets

posted November 14, 2020 04:37 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don’t think so. The US definitely isn’t.

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Ok, Nice that you are so sure of yourself.

Id take the US câncer Sun into account

posted November 14, 2020 06:43 AM            

Im talking more bout " democracy" and It having rather an Sun relation ir rather an moon

Not talking much bout romans n grmans,
Sure they fought, n great battles
but I dont live in germany, and It hás turned into a joke of a country, like nirtche predicted, but so what .

Aint there a sain that if lilith was the one aint she the one to turn it back too?

posted November 14, 2020 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
Ok, Nice that you are so sure of yourself.

Id take the US câncer Sun into account

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Ha! ..
Cancer is 'ruled' by the Moon --
but is a Cardinal Mode,
and
is in Cardinal House 7th.

Would 'yoga' really be considered "Matriarchy culture" just because there's a trend towards finding yoga-studios run by "female" entrepreneurs?

So : Matriarchy
How much of that connotation is tied to Genders ...
versus
(male/female) Energies?

Pixie.. Loved your very informative and well-written essay!! Thanks.

Hamburg ... *laughing* okay ???
I immediately thought of Germany too!!

TensionEmpire
Knowflake
From: Hamburg

The internet searches say --

There are 22 places named Hamburg
in America.

There are 2 places named Hamburg
in South Africa.

There is one place named Hamburg
in Suriname.

There is one place named Hamburg
in Sweden.

There is one place named Hamburg
in Germany.

posted November 14, 2020 08:48 AM            

The growing interest in yoga/others nowadays she relates with Isis and her quest to find back her beloved osiris.
Feminine feeling something laking/Lost,
search for , whats Lost, whats real, whats makr sence

Uhm, yes , I think rather energys, since she says There are Man atuned tô the feminine energy that also venture into this Quest of finding something that they know that is somewhere Lost, much of these plays out subconciously i believe

posted November 14, 2020 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
Ok, Nice that you are so sure of yourself.

Id take the US câncer Sun into account

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posted November 14, 2020 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
Id be talking about the system that rules our world, real Power, aint be tlinkg bout puppets

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posted November 15, 2020 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
Ok, Nice that you are so sure of yourself.

Id take the US câncer Sun into account

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posted November 15, 2020 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The countries ruled by women, did better with their covid response earlier this year. The health director in my state, was harassed and threatened, as were her family. A female governor was the target of a kidnapping plot, and they talked about executing her. Some people have said that they didn’t want someone like Elizabeth Warren as president, because she sounded like their mother, she sounded like she was nagging them.

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posted November 16, 2020 09:45 AM            

Women basically are every bit on equal footing as men in these countries.