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Dee
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posted November 23, 2020 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://nypost.com/2020/11/23/qantas-to-require-covid-19-vaccine-for-international-flights/

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posted November 23, 2020 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh dear. Let's hope said vaccines are safe.

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posted November 23, 2020 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope so. I don't trust vaccines especially new ones.

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posted November 23, 2020 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I'm wary at the moment also, they seem to be rushing them through.

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posted November 23, 2020 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly its way to fast.

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posted November 23, 2020 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, and this is how they will try to force it, in a "soft" way, onto people. However, I don't think one Aussie airline is representative of the entire global industry.

American airline companies know that if they require a vaccine for flying they will lose A LOT of business. I doubt they would go in this direction on their own, without some powerful nudging by government or other levels of business.

What many airports and countries are requiring currently, is testing and being clear before flying. I'm relatively ok with that, except that not all testing is created equal and not all are all that accurate, like Musk found out recently when he had 4 tests from the same place, nurse, and presumably very similar time frame, and two came back negative and two positive. (Can't roll my eyes anymore than I am--not humanly possible).

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posted November 24, 2020 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't blame them. Along with New Zealand, they weathered the pandemic well, because unlike us they put the community over big business (though generally speaking the economy suffered less there, probably because they quickly got it under control), and people didn't get all silly saying "masks (but not shirts and shoes) are tyranny" (gods, I wonder how we look to people in nations who really do live in tyranny who happen to see what we moan about online).

They, like other nations, looked aghast upon the US response at both the governmental and social level (Canada did significantly better, btw, but they don't visit Australia as often as people from the USA and UK), and the UK looks really bad as well, and the US is expected to see worse this winter.

If I were an Australian, I'd want such a requirement myself. Especially of someone from the USA or UK. They worked too hard to preserve themselves to let us idiots in without assurances we won't cause another outbreak among them, such as being immunized. If they lose some tourist money, so be it, I'm sure they'll still be better off economically (and health wise) than if they just let us bring another wave of the pandemic to their cities.

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posted November 24, 2020 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another LL friend is still recovering from the virus, after catching it last month (she doesn't know how). I'm not going to copy everything that she told me over the weekend, but she said that you don't even want a mild case, if you can avoid it.

I don't blame them for being careful, either. We could have done a lot better, but everything has to go sideways here.

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posted November 24, 2020 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with the caution RE travel to other countries, completely, however, I would be much more comfortable with taking an accurate COVID-19 test for entry to another country than a mandatory vaccine at this early stage of development.

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posted November 24, 2020 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Travelman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was watching V for Vendetta for the first time in a decade or more. Part of what earns the dictator in charge of his dystopia his power to begin with was a quickly developed vaccine for a virus. But, isn't that how so many of these dystopian movies start? With some sort of medicine or vaccine being rapidly produced for mass consumption? Are all these dystopias that have been made for so long simply "Predictive programming" for all these decades? Plus there are talks this vaccine, in real life, for covid, will be required to participate in society, more or less. How can anyone trust something so hastily developed and given to the general public? What is coming? Not liking it.

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posted November 24, 2020 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Travelman:
I was watching V for Vendetta for the first time in a decade or more. Part of what earns the dictator in charge of his dystopia his power to begin with was a quickly developed vaccine for a virus. But, isn't that how so many of these dystopian movies start? With some sort of medicine or vaccine being rapidly produced for mass consumption? Are all these dystopias that have been made for so long simply "Predictive programming" for all these decades? Plus there are talks this vaccine, in real life, for covid, will be required to participate in society, more or less. How can anyone trust something so hastily developed and given to the general public? What is coming? Not liking it.

That's interesting to consider Travelman. I remember in 2019 just before all this started there was a documentary about a pandemic. Hidden in plain sight? I'll try to find it...

Here is an article about it:
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/03/16/netflix-explained-the-next-pandemic-episode-season-2/

It features Bill Gates, unsurprisingly.

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posted November 24, 2020 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mean Event 201 was a real thing. Bill Gates and John Hopkins University* got a bunch of big wigs from business, military, and politics together in October 2019 to specifically discuss a global pandemic that involved a "Novel Coronavirus" that was highly contagious and severe (more so than SARS-CoV-2 is), and asked the group to brain storm, "so what would we do in this situation?"

Interestingly, some researchers think that SARS-CoV-2 became active in the first human sometime in October.

In September, the Trump admin cut funding to a pandemic-viral specialist team. The very people and team that would have dealt with this very issue.

Also in September, the Federal Reserve made some major changes as if they knew a global recession/depression was coming.

This world is controlled/run by psychopaths--quite literally. What does one expect psychopaths to do. These like and create wars, they think of ways to gain more control and/or to cull the population, etc, etc.

The average person with conscience and empathy is very, very, very unaware and naive to these types and how they think, operate, etc. And they are getting more and more brazen and power drunk as they consolidate wealth, power, and influence globally.

If it wasn't for the scheduled massive earth changes coming, I would have zero hope for humanity, because most are willfully ignorant, and the majority of those who are somewhat awake to what is going on, are too afraid to do anything, for there is little to do against such groups and forces with the majority of the population so willfully ignorant.

* A lot of people don't know this, but John Hopkins is one of the favored Universities that US Intelligence Agencies send their agents to to get educated and/or to be a professor and to have influence in public life. Columbia used to be another one, until the CIA came under public scrutiny and fire for basically almost over taking same.

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posted November 24, 2020 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If one studies a long and broad sweep of history, one will notice certain patterns and trends. The main, driving one being a class war/struggle between the Have Mosts (many of which seem to be on or near the ASPD spectrum) waging war of control and manipulation on the majority of Have's Less and Have Leasts.

Do you think that this has ended in our times just because we have things like I-net, books, technology, organizations like the UN, etc?

No, this is a basic, archetypal, human pattern and it is very much going on in our times as well. But because it is so f'ing scary and uncomfortable, most people do not fully open their eyes to it. Why, because if you have some measure of conscience and felt empathy, the above is extremely depressing, upsetting, and downright terrifying.

When I was first becoming consciously aware of how bad things truly are in the world, how controlled and manipulated we are by psychopathic people with the most wealth and power, I had a very intense dream confirming my new conscious awareness. I was viewing this giant black spider that was terrorizing people. Everyone, I could sense/feel, was either consciously or unconsciously afraid of this giant spider.

Oddly, then I saw a large golden lion and even more oddly, I could read its thoughts and heart. It too had fear of the giant spider, but it was pained by the suffering that the giant spider was causing people/the world. It deciced to prepare itself for battle, and then it engaged the giant spider by attacking it. I don't know who won the battle, but the last thing I remember seeing is the huge paw of the lion swiping at the giant spider.

Obviously the dream is highly symbolic, but it very much spoke to and confirmed my increasing conscious awareness of how bad things really were. If they weren't, we wouldln't have things like an endless "war on terror", plandemics, and the like. Really think about it, US and other countries have been in Afghanistan occupying same (and protecting poppy field while there) for two f'ing decades now. Does this kind of stuff happen in a world run by the "good guys"? Are you that naive and blind?

There is a high probability that this virus was engineered and released purposely to scare the living shite out of people (though it's not as dangerous or deadly as mainstream media and government is portraying it) so that these psychopathic power structures could tighten the noose of tracking/spying, control, and interestingly shortly before the massive Earth changes are about to manifest.

Why? They want as few of us, the commoners who give a crap about this world and it's sad direction, to survive when the time of the immense changes come. They are working towards martial law so that as soon as they are aware that the Sun is about to release it's ultra powerful CME, they can immediately declare martial law under other pretenses before other people know about it, and while they run to their massive, stocked underground fortresses, you and I will be killed by the Solar event and then crustal shift which will happen soon after.

No doubt, some of you will think I'm off my rocker with all the above. And yet, you know me fairly well now. You know that I tend to speak in a very balanced, centered, holistically logical, informed by spiritual insight and deep wisdom kind of way about a number of other topics. Do you think that it doesn't apply now? Maybe some just see deeper, more clearly, and without fear than others?

If you are the type to let fear control or affect you, Expanded Guidance will not give you information about these topics. I didn't start getting information about these world events until after I had taken a good, hard look into my own dark shadow and faced same without flinching. It was after that, that guidance started to give me messages about these issues. I was not ready before then.

Well, you do not have the luxury of being ready or not at this point. These times of climaxing and cresdendo are not far off. This is a time of holistic preparation, so that YOU can survive these coming changes and help to rebuild a new earth, a new humanity, and true civilization out of the ashes of the old and corrupt to its core.

This is what you came for my fellow Children of the Law of One. This is what I came for. We came to shift this failing, faltering world and humanity in the right direction. The psychopathic plutocrats time of control and their sick party is coming to an end. Now is our time to create a world and humanity of Love.

Have you not heard the call within your innermost self? Do you vaguely remember standing on the threshold of the nonphysical looking down into the physical, with all your co-workers in the Light and thinking, "We need go down in that mess and do something before its too late!"?

I tell you truly, this is many of yours' deeper purpose and reason for coming here. And this is not my first rodeo in this kind of service work and endeavor by a long shot. Stay strong, become more consciously aware of the larger reality, tap more into Expanded Guidance from deep within, and get ready to fulfill your purpose. All the stress, all the heart ache, all the suffering, all the disappointments are and have been there to strengthen and temper you for these times of climax and crescendo; of massive changes.

I tell you truly, this entire world and humanity is at stake in this struggle. If humanity does not handle the coming changes well, this Planet will go from being a robust school, to an increasingly dark and suffering world to the point that Souls will have to abandon it because entropy and chaos will rule.

On the flipside, we also have the opportunity to uplift this world and humainty to such a height that it hasn't seen in a very, very, very long time. It is part of the probable future that in about a thousand years from now, every human alive will be like a Yeshua or Buddha in the flesh--fully awake to their true nature and living and expressing same in every waking moment. This is a future to fight for.

I am fighting. There are moments and days when I want to throw in the towel and leave this world, but then I think about the above, and how positive this world could become, and set my sights anew.

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posted November 24, 2020 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The last few years have felt like a bad movie plot no one would've believed had it not happened for the last few years, since Trump took office (I've heard multiple people say this, and I agree with it). What gets me is the apocalyptic events, both social and natural (literal tornadoes of fire while the daytime sky became dark red, like something out of Revelations!), but not only the televangelists refused to exploit this (I wonder why...actually, I don't, I know very well why the hypocrites did so), but some for Trump waved flags and signs of KEEP America Great. Not MAKE or RESTORE America, but KEEP it. That is, the apocalyptic status quo that looked worse on the horizon.

Had the last 4 years been a movie, Republicans themselves would've said it was a straman attack on their party and I'd have agreed with them. Not anymore.

And as long as we talk of media portrayals of dystopian futures, here's something else Australians saw of the United States, less than a minute and a half of Australian news footage, in addition to the utter failure of our government which monkey wrenched decades of pandemic preparations by the CDC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk_E5o__7NA&ab_channel=BloombergQuicktake%3ANow

Of course that doesn't register as a sign of tyranny in the minds of many Americans. Masks do.

Now THAT is out of a movie of a corrupt and tyrannical government for the heroes (and anti-heroes) to oppose, only this isn't fiction this time, it actually happened. The government behind that would NOT have "V" supporting it, he'd be bringing lethal force against it that would impress Timothy McVeigh. We should just be glad many nations like Australia and New Zealand are not outright banning us for the next few years.

And as for the slippery slope of tyranny by vaccines, this happened in the last pandemic, and there was fines against those who did not wear the masks, and who did not take the vaccine. We're not even to that point yet. And did those who endured more compulsion descend into gulags and police states? Nope. History seems more reliable for seeing the future than assuming these powerful people were taunting us with their master plan in scifi and technothriller movies.

Though that said there has been a lot of profiteering that is outrageous and yet gets very little news time. These conspiracy theories work for the real villains than against them. (But that aside, social workers and certain big biz leaders in both the US and UK did know that something MIGHT happen and were prepared unlike the rest of us, plus the Republicans and Democrats in office in the the USA were prepared given that they radically changed their portfolios to benefit from the economic changes rather than suffer with the rest of us.)

Oh! As a bonus, and since fiction is going to be used, here's one (and Qanon counts as a group/people as opposed to a person) from Men in Black:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCwFkOZoOY&ab_channel=BJLD213


Since I'm sure many brains watching that here will subconscious edit it out, I'll emphasize one part: "500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was flat..."

He is right about people not wanting a clue. Look at how many touted FOX News as an almost unique place for unbiased facts turn on the news agency the moment FOX said things they didn't want to hear. It really says a lot about the FOX News viewership of the last few years even more than it says about FOX News. The problem isn't in the stars, the media, or the like...it's in us.

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posted November 24, 2020 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of McVeigh, he apparently was a good little soldier right up till the end. Meaning that was another inside job.

Very well researched documentary on this http://youtu.be/Vgfi1QZILxk
Sources and transcipt cited on this page: http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-305-the-secret-life-of-timothy-mcveigh/

Trump is a narcissistic d!ck, but in the grand scheme of things, he's one of the least of our problems.

Presidents are not the real power in this country, nor the Prime Ministers and other elected leaders in other countries. The real powers are a combination of the centuries old, continuous Euro banks, mega corporations, and intelligence agencies.

If a person buys into the contrived "fight" between the "left" and the "right", they are not anywhere close to be "woke" about what's really going on in this world. The same psychopathic plutocrats fund and play both sides of the aisle as necessary.

Except for a few sincere and ignorant politicians here and there, most of all that is contrived WWE, Bread and Circuses, polarized "entertainment" and distraction for the consumption of the masses.

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posted November 24, 2020 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If a person wants some very good and very "non conspiracy" information on how things really work in America, then this TedX talk by a Harvard Professor is pretty good. There has been actual scientific research and analyzing of how little public and majority will and voting has shaped major political decisions and policy over a number of decades (and people want to solely focus on Trump, like he was the "start" of corruption Hahahahaha): http://youtu.be/PJy8vTu66tE


Then this Boston Globe article and interview with a former White House insider also relates to the above and how little voting and what the public wants and asks for matters:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html

These are not "conspiracy theorists" nor "theories". These are hard facts. These are not Fox News, but left and liberal leaning sources.

Wake the duck up. The "good guys" who believe in democracy, due process, etc are not at the helm, and haven't been for a very long time in this country.

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posted November 24, 2020 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I originally wrote this for another forum section and thread, but it VERY much bears repeating here:

Propagandists (like Edward Bernays*) learned a long time ago that the best way to deceive and manipulate people, is not with whole lies, but mostly truth with a little twisting here and there.

It's like the old saying, "half (or partial) truths are worse than whole lies, for they can deceive even the Soul" Meaning, if something mostly contains truth, its less likely to ring those intuitive or logic inconsistency warning bells that we use consciously or unconsciously to discern truth and facts from non truth.

Mainstream media has perfected the above practice and with a lot of help from other organizations. See below.

If you want, you can go to CREST, the online CIA database of freedom of information released files and find various memos (many still highly redacted) talking about how the CIA has infiltrated and influenced media corporations and journalists for many years now. They really started to do same in the 1950's. That's a 70 year time frame.

Again, one has to realize that the wealthiest and most powerful people in this world are psychopathic and have no morals, no conscience, no felt empathy, and are willing to do anything to gain more power and control. When you have so much money that you can buy anything in the world many times over, what's left to get your kicks and rocks off from? If you're a decent hearted person with conscience and felt empathy, you'll try to give back to society.

But if you're towards, or within, the ASPD spectrum (which most of these folks are), you get drunk off of games of manipulation, power, and control. It's a spiritual sickness at its worst. Because these have a black hole where their hearts, Love, and connection to Source should be, they try to fill it up with other things.

* Here's a good account of Bernays (btw, nephew and student of Sigmund Freud) and how these types think and operate. Bernays was approached by a corporation whose main product was tobacco and they said, ole chap, we sell plenty of cigarettes to men, but our female base is sorely lacking. Can you help us improve that? He said, sure.

This is what he did to increase sales of cigarettes to women: He hired a bunch of female actresses, and staged a fake and very public protest of women's rights. He had the actresses smoking cigarettes and saying things like, "well if men can do it, so can we!"

And it not only worked, but worked well. Soon after, cigarette sales increased among women. Because unconsciously, many women started to associate smoking with increased levels of female "empowerment" and "equal rights".

Then understand that Bernays was extremely well connected in finance, business, and politics. He had A LOT of big wig friends in these areas and counseled them. This is what he wrote in a book literally titled "Propaganda":

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“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
― Edward Bernays, Propaganda

These are the kind of Machiavellian and diabolical minds that are behind so called "public policy" in all areas that influence our daily lives. And most people don't stand a chance against these, let alone seeing through all the partial truths, deception, manipulation.

When a friend of Mark Zuckerburg expressed surprise to him that people were handing over their personal and private information and photos, he replied, "they 'trust' me. Dumb f*cks". These types not only fool, trick, and manipulate us, but they have active contempt towards us.

How rich and influential is Zuckerburg now? He's been around for a pretty short time. Now think about the families who started places like the Bank of England and other centuries old banks, and how long they have been accumulating wealth, influence, and power through lending and usury. Just think of the hidden wealth and influence that these types likely have.

It (if it could all be tracked down and accounted) makes people like Zuckerburg, Bezos, Gates, etc look like middle class earners and influencers.

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posted November 24, 2020 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And btw, for the record, I do not like nor support Trump.

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posted November 24, 2020 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just read that the vaccine doesn't necessarily prevent transmission... then what's the point? A friend posted a link, and shared that snippet. I may have misread.

Don't go plandemic on me. I just don't see the point of using it right now, if it doesn't prevent spread. Although I know that vaccines can be shed when first used/taken.

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posted November 24, 2020 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Travelman:
I was watching V for Vendetta for the first time in a decade or more. Part of what earns the dictator in charge of his dystopia his power to begin with was a quickly developed vaccine for a virus. But, isn't that how so many of these dystopian movies start? With some sort of medicine or vaccine being rapidly produced for mass consumption? Are all these dystopias that have been made for so long simply "Predictive programming" for all these decades? Plus there are talks this vaccine, in real life, for covid, will be required to participate in society, more or less. How can anyone trust something so hastily developed and given to the general public? What is coming? Not liking it.

Most of these movies also start with people not listening to scientists. The disaster movies, that rack up a lot of bodies.

I wouldn't be up for taking a vaccine this soon, but I'm not travelling to a country where it would be expected. I get to live here, where a lot of people don't give a crap, and neither does the president.

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posted February 14, 2021 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrofiend     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting!

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