posted May 01, 2009 08:49 PM         

I was able to bump a missing one in Health & Healing. Most of the others (from all over LL) on this subject no longer turn up on google.

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Alfred Hitchcock born again
Bush's avian flu rap is attempt to blind America with fear
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Salome
Knowflake
posted November 15, 2005 02:57 PM

Sean Gonsalves
Cape Cod Times
11.09.05

The major news outlets have been giving lots of coverage to yet another dreadful warning coming from the Bush administration -- the looming "bird flu pandemic." (Cue the sound track of Hitchcock's classic "The Birds").
Best case scenario, reports the Associated Press, a minimum of 200,000 people will die from an avian flu pandemic, but it could be as many as 2 million deaths in America alone. Yikes.

Ah, the power of fear. Edmund Burke, the intellectual father of conservatism, would be impressed. In Burke's "On the Sublime and Beautiful" (1757), he wrote: "No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear."

President Bush didn't let Burke down. At an Oct. 4 press conference, he talked about the possibility of having a military-enforced quarantine.

"And who best to be able to effect a quarantine? One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move....I think it's an important debate for Congress to have." Lord knows, the president loves a good "debate."

Not that he's predicting an outbreak, he said, "but we better be thinking about it. And we are. And we're more than thinking about it; we're trying to put plans in place."

Included in those plans are billions of dollars to buy Tamiflu, the most sought-after flu remedy in the world.

If you dig a little deeper you'll find that a California biotech company called Gilead owns the rights to Tamiflu. And guess who was Gilead's former chairman? Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who served as Gilead chairman from 1997 until he joined the Bush administration in 2001.

Fortune magazine's senior writer Nelson Schwartz reports that Rumsfeld still owns between $5 million and $25 million in Gilead stock.

The Bush administration is one of biggest Tamiflu buyers. In July, the Pentagon ordered $58 million worth of Tamiflu and Congress is being urged by the president to approve another multi-billion dollar purchase.

Rumsfeld recused himself from being involved in Gilead decisions. An unnamed Pentagon official told Fortune that Rummy considered selling his stock but a private securities lawyer "advised him that it was safer to hold on to the stock and be quite public about his recusal rather than sell and run the risk of being accused of trading on insider information."

Every time you turn around, up pops another "coincidence." Bush has deep ties to the oil industry and oil companies are making record profits. A "war on terror" is being waged and who gets the multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts? Companies with ties to the Bush administration.

The rebuilding of the Gulf Coast? More money for Bush cronies. And now, the president just happens to be reading a book about the 1918 influenza outbreak and decides to start preparing the public for another possible major threat from which Rumsfeld stands to handsomely profit.

By the way, the British Medical Journal noted last week that "the extensive media coverage of avian influenza... has caused confusion and increasing concern that bird flu will imminently cause a human pandemic."

However, "the lack of sustained human-to-human transmission suggests that this avian virus does not currently have the capacity to cause a human pandemic."

I wonder if all those folks who feel so strongly about NBA players wearing suits are just as concerned about the ethics of the Hitchcock gangstas wearing suits in the White House.

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posted May 01, 2009 08:50 PM         

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lotusheartone
unregistered posted November 15, 2005 03:06 PM
Salome,
hehe, how are you, this is depressing stuff.

anytime the government treats you like a herd to get a vaccine, I'd stay away
My children and myself, do not do this

what's really in it, and how do you control
the population
tell them they need this
or they will be a statistic

it's crazy how OOC it is

Love and Light to ALL

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posted May 01, 2009 08:51 PM         

"C'mon H5N1 !!! Mutate baby!!"

posted May 01, 2009 08:52 PM         

hi lotusheart ~

yes, this vaccine stuff is rather
disheartening.....and it's
hard to know exactly what the real
agenda is, isn't it?

my life though, relatively speaking,
is alright....love is all around me,
i can feel it, when i let it into
my consciousness...and that's the
nicest thing, wouldn't you agree?

brilliant, as usual, petron....

thanks for making me smile.

posted May 01, 2009 08:52 PM         

posted November 16, 2005 02:30 PM
Knowing a bit about bioterrorism and infectious diseases, I can honestly say that with this flu, quarantines are necessary.
This is a flu strain that will not only rapidly wipe out the poulty industry (especially in areas where life is very mobile) but can also mutate to cause numerous human deaths.

Let's look at the big picture.. if the government doesn't take a proactive stance and people die, what would the hue and cry be concerning that decision?

posted May 01, 2009 08:53 PM         

unregistered posted November 16, 2005 02:43 PM

Hi Salome,
Miss ya, yes, I believe that once you find the Truth within, there are no worries
this is the world of illusion
the fact is, the government's knows so much more, than we are willing to admit
Otherwise, this world would be a better place
witholding information
keeps us ignorant to the reality
of Government's and their purposes

How did we achieve Atlantic=s, or Lemuria
we had the Secret of 13
The Master God
we even took his month away
and the natural timepiece of the Universe
scarificing our senses
note, that is the 12 vibration.

the secrets are all within
the Truth is there
we are children of God, each and every one of US.

posted May 01, 2009 08:54 PM         

"damn, theyre onto our plan!!"

Tamiflu could make avian flu pandemic worse

23.12.05

The only drug available against a threatened pandemic of avian flu may be useless for many of those infected and could make the pandemic worse, say scientists.

The warning came after a study of 13 Vietnamese patients infected with avian flu and treated with the anti-viral drug Tamiflu found two developed a resistant virus which contributed to their deaths.

Seven of the 13 patients died.

The New England Journal of Medicine, which publishes the findings today, describes them as "frightening". Governments are stockpiling Tamiflu to be used as the first line of defence against a pandemic.

posted May 01, 2009 08:55 PM         

&Rumsfeld, Bush politics aside, If Tamiflu became afordable and available, how many here would indulge?

posted May 01, 2009 08:56 PM         

posted December 26, 2005 04:12 AM

posted May 01, 2009 08:59 PM         

If you would like, I can copy & paste your swine flu thread!

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted May 01, 2009 09:10 PM         

Topic: Bird Flu, a fraud?
Iqhunk
Knowflake
Posts: 2684
From: Chennai
Registered: Oct 2005
posted March 28, 2006 06:09 AM
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Got this in my mail. Dont know the accuracy but if the allegations are true, it is yet another feather in the cap of the Rummy/Cheney/Bush axis of evil.
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The Bird Flu Gimmic

Hi everyone,

First of all, I would like to tell every one that bird flu is
nothing but money generating gimmick of certain companies/politicians. So far
only 55 people have died of so-called bird flu (7000 died by lighting last
year alone) so are we having a lighting epidemic, rubbish? These death
were due to Respiratory sym, but not confirmed for H5N1. How many people
handling birds have died because of diarrhea? Must be more than 55 in the
last few years then we can say we are in a Salmonella epidemic???

Next, who stand to gain by all this? Roche by selling --Tamiflu.
Who has the patent for Tamiflu : lesser known company Gilead. Who is the major
shareholder of this company??? Can any one guess??? Donald H.
Rumsfeld was chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences, where he remained until
early 2001 when he became defense secretary in Bush's Cabinet. The model
suggests the parallel to the brazen corruption of Halliburton Corporation who's
former CEO is Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney's company has so far
gotten billions worth of US construction contracts in Iraq and elsewhere.

Who else stands to benefit? Bush campaign funders, Bilderberger
spokesman Etienne F. Davignon and Reagan-Bush former secretary of state
George P.Shultz, both of who are also on the board of directors of Gilead.
Another member of the Bush circle is Lodewijk J.R. de Vink, who sits on the
board of Hoffman-La Roche, Gilead's partner!
In other words, bird flu will generate outrageous profits for
insiders like Shultz, Rumsfled, Davignon and de Vink.

By the way what is Tamiflu (Generic name: oseltamivir phosphate)???
It's a extract from star aniseed (our very own Garam masala - curry
powder) and each dose is $ 100 so even if 15% of the world have one dose then
the total sale will be just $100 billion.

Since last year media started this "Tamasha" by highlighting the
news! from other countries. Our Poultry Industry suffered losses due to those
rumors during that year and now millions of farmers will loose their jobs
& be bankrupt but only a few people will make money. I know it is going
to be late & millions are going to loose their livelihood in India,
Chicken is being sold at Rs 4/kg in some places. Think of the state of the
Farmer & unlike other countries he is not going to be compensated (only
farmers in Navapur, Nandurbar are being compensated).

So, it my sincere request to all of you that spread this
information to everyone, buy, cook and eat poultry products (chicken & egg)
without hesitation and try to save the livelihood of millions of poultry
farmers in India. Remember that anything cooked over 70 degrees is safe.

Please forward this to all whom you know. Those who need more
information are welcome to mail me at: dr_pushkar_bvc@yahoo.com <mailto:dr_pushkar_bvc@yahoo.com.

Regards,
Pushkar

Dr. Pushkar Kulkarni
Bachelor of Veterinary Science & Animal Husbandry (Bombay
Veterinary
College)
M.Sc. (Toxicology),
Contact: India (Res.): 91-251-2489216
E.mail: kk_pushkar@yahoo.com

It was a heated topic so I`ll let you can look up the rest of it

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted May 01, 2009 10:31 PM         

Mass vaccination of the population in just 48 hours?

That's what FEMA wants to be ready to do - and they're training local officials for it. http://candidblogger.blogspot.com/2009/04/preparing-for-swine-flu-and-martial-law.html

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posted May 02, 2009 12:09 PM         

Step one is already accomplished. Find the nexus of the disease...which is Mexico.

Since every infected person is a nexus/radiator/vector for infecting others...spreading the disease everywhere they go in a spreading circle of infection; what would be step 2?

If O'Bomber and Congress believed Swine Flu constitutes a clear and present danger to the lives of US citizens on a large scale...as has been put forth, then the obvious next step would have been to immediately close the US border with Mexico and stop all flights from Mexico into the US. This is elementary. People flee from epidemics and pandemics from areas of heavy infection and poor health care TO areas of lesser infection with superior health care...like the United States. Elementary...except, if O'Bomber and Congress really believe Swine Flu constitutes such a danger they are making and taking a calculated risk with American lives positing that risk against the economic well-being of Mexico where trucks loaded with Mexican goods flow across US borders. Not to mention illegal aliens crossing that same border. Every single one of those people crossing US borders is a possible nexus for spreading a radiating circle of Swine Flu infection into the United States as a vector of the disease. It doesn't matter there are also US citizens already infected. They are also vectors for spreading the disease but why add additional infected vectors to spread it further?

There's a hell of a lot going on in O'Bomber's administration and Congress they hope Americans don't catch on to until it's too late to stop it. A Swine Flu diversion is perfect to keep attention focused elsewhere. In fact, Swine Flu might be useful in helping pass the Socialist Health Care bill for Socialist Government run Health Care that's failed everywhere it's in effect in the world.

posted May 02, 2009 12:19 PM         

May 02, 2009
Swine Flu in Perspective
By Frank S. Rosenbloom, M.D.

Outbreak! was the title of the movie released in 1995 about an Ebola epidemic, inspired by news reports of outbreaks of the deadly virus in Africa. Some experts opined that "it could happen here" and that it was just a matter of time before Ebola would show up in the US. Never one to play along, I posted a sign in my office in 1996 that if Ebola broke out here I would move to Africa and live with the monkeys. I am still here.

In 2003 a horrible new disease was spreading out of Asia. SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Distress) had the potential to cause a worldwide pandemic. My waiting room looked like the inside of a Bombay bus during rush hour as crowds of patients impatiently waited for me to reassure them that the dripping nose they had was not SARS. After all, the WHO, the CDC and CNN all told them that doomsday was likely only weeks away.

"We are counting down to a pandemic," said Guan Yi, a professor at the University of Hong Kong who helped trace the outbreak of SARS in 2003.

I was seeing patients from 8Am until 6PM daily, then returning phone calls until late night, consoling poor souls who were sure they had seen their last days. I ended up with pneumonia, but unfortunately for me, it was not SARS and I had to keep working. Had I contracted SARS, at least I could have gotten some rest.

So, whatever became of this "Andromeda Strain"?

World Health Organization (WHO): "8,098 people worldwide became sick with SARS during the 2003 outbreak. Of these, 774 died. In the United States, only eight people had laboratory evidence of SARS infection".

About 56 million people die yearly in the world. SARS caused .00001% of those deaths in 2005, fewer than those caused by choking on a bean! Yet the press had a field day and billions of dollars were spent on a threat that never materialized.

When 2004 passed without a real health crisis, the media were purposeless. Thankfully, Avian (bird) Flu came along and was all the rage by 2005. This one, we were told, was the big one. Continuous news coverage included video of people in Asia wearing masks and destroying chickens. Experts from the WHO, CDC and, I think, even KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken), were on every newscast proclaiming the coming of avian Armageddon.

Again, I saw many terrified patients and I tried to put things into perspective for them. How could they ignore the evidence? Why, it was as good as the evidence for global warming.

"Bird Flu Pandemic Imminent" MSNBC Report Feb 23, 2005

"The risk of Pandemic is great" WHO, 2005

"Avian Flu represents a real pandemic threat". European Public Health Alliance, 7/2005

"Bird Flu spreading rapidly", US government warns population. 2006

In fact, the likelihood of a Chinese person dying from bird flu was .00005% . The probability of dying by a lightning strike in the US was about 100 times greater than the risk of a Chinese person dying of Bird Flu. If you were afraid of bird flu, I advised my patients, certainly don't go out in the rain.

The WHO data on Avian Flu, that terrible mutating monster that was then to be another 1918 pandemic, can be found at this link. In mid 2005 it was thought to have caused 54 deaths in China, the absolute least important cause of death recorded. In fact, later data showed it had been responsible for only five deaths in China in 2005. Later data showed that over seven years, this terrible virus was responsible for a whopping 25 deaths in China. From a peak of 115 deaths worldwide in 2006, the dreaded Avian flu was the cause of death of only 33 people in 2008. Terrifying!

In 1918, nearly half of the 675,000 Americans killed by the influenza pandemic had been in the trenches of Europe fighting a war. They had been dirty, cold, wet, underfed, and exhausted. Stateside there was no real scientific understanding of the disease. There were no effective medications and no antibiotics for secondary pneumonia. Most Americans had access to only primitive health care. While it is true that 40 million people died of this disease worldwide, we must understand the circumstances then and also that today, we live in an advanced country with excellent health care essentially available to all in an emergency.

In 1957-1958, about 70,000 Americans died from the "Asian" flu. In 1968 the "Hong Kong" flu killed around 34,000 Americans. Interestingly, the total death rate in 1968 did not increase, indicating that most of the victims were already quite unhealthy.

In 1976 "Swine Flu" turned up in a soldier at Fort Dix, resulting in his death and the quarantine of his close contacts. Alarmed experts convinced President Ford to take action. Some 40 million Americans were inoculated before the program was scrapped.

During this "pandemic" more people died in the US from the vaccination than from the disease. Another outbreak in 1988 killed one woman, who contracted the disease while pregnant. She sadly succumbed soon after her healthy baby was delivered. Her husband, who also contracted the disease, recovered completely.

Swine Flu, known since the 1930's, has now returned. Again, the WHO sounded the alarm, raising the "threat level" to 5. To be fair, the disease will be more of a threat in underdeveloped countries and we see the higher death rate in Mexico as evidence of that. It is, predictably, being compared to the flu pandemic of 1918. Medical experts fill our television screens, talking about "N" this and "H" that urging that the federal government spend more money to combat this new microscopic doomsday monster.

Look at the facts in the light of the other potential disasters described above. Remember that a good crisis means that somebody is spending money and somebody is making money. Rahm Emanuel advised never to waste a good crisis. In the case of a public health crisis, it is the government, hence the taxpayer, that is spending money. When you hear an influenza research scientist raising the specter of a possible pandemic, you should also visualize large sums of money going from your pocket to his.

Finally, 36,000 people die from Influenza every year in this country. That's 100 people a day on average! Sadly, a baby from Mexico died in Texas from the Swine Flu. There will likely be more deaths here, but not in the numbers some would have you believe. However, about 100 people in the US die from the typical flu every day. Swine flu is a flu! Of course, every life is precious. But more Americans die from car accidents than the flu. Do we need to be vigilant? Of course. Should we foment panic? Absolutely not.