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listenstotrees
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posted July 09, 2009 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Emergency Health Freedom Action eBlast!
Natural Solutions Foundation
www.HealthFreedomUSA.org www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org

July 7, 2009

The General Looks at the Data:

ALERT!!! ACTION NEEDED!!!

I am writing to you in my official capacity as the President of the Natural Solutions Foundation. However, the basis of the information that I am about to share with you comes from decades of experience engaged in real-world, real-time intelligence collection and analysis. In this environment, the work involves piecing together divergent "bits" of information from divergent sources into a coherent picture of past events/situations from which you can reliably predict future events/situations.

Having the "picture" (from connecting the "Dots" or the "Bits" of information) provides the base from which counter actions, plans and solutions develop.

That is the simplistic process. Now let me show you some of the "Dots" as they exist today. You do the connecting. You paint the picture that comes to your mind. I think after you do, you will see why it is so urgently important that we create the Push Back needed to protect our health, our rights and our freedom at this time.

DATA SET 1
1. An "informal" [e.g., illegal] clinical trial of the Avian Flu vaccine on about 200 Polish vagrants resulted in 11 immediate deaths and an additional set of 20 later deaths (approximately 15% of the test population). The doctors and nurses involved were charged with murder. (Fact. 2008)
2. Approximately 3500 Chinese children died in an Avian Flu vaccine experiment. (Rumor, 2008)
3. The Philippine High Court convicted WHO (The World Health Organization) of involuntarily sterilizing over 3 million Philippina women through the use of vaccines. (Fact)
4. The WHO in 1985 documented that one of its' primary goals for the use of a sterility vaccine disguised as a smallpox vaccine was to "eliminate 150 million excess Sub Saharan Africans". (Fact, 1985-ongoing)
5. The WHO 5-shot vaccine programs for tetanus in third world countries in South and Central America caused the involuntary sterilization of millions of women. (Fact, ongoing)
6. Monsanto's MON 810 corn causes sterility according to studies published by the Austrian Government. (Fact, 2009)
7. Monsanto's MON 810 corn contains the Cauliflower Mosaic Virus which, when ingested, lowers the bodies CD 4 cells to a point which, on immune tests, indicate that a person has HIV/AIDS. The lowered CD 4 cells results from eating GMO corn, the staple of the diet in many parts of Black Africa. MON 810 is grown in Europe for animal feed and in many places, including the US, around the world for human food. (Fact, ongoing)
8. Merck's Gardasil vaccine causes death, collapse and chronic illness in young woman and girls, including a new, never-before described "disease" called Juvenile ALS, a fatal condition in which the nervous system is slowly destroyed while consciousness remains unimpaired. This vaccine increases cervical cancer by 44.7% in women and girls who already have Human Papilloma Virus. Cervical Cancer is easily detected and cured in early stages and is not a major killer of women. Gardasil contains substances which may cause sterility in women receiving it and any protection lasts only a few years, so 9 year olds will probably not be sexually active by the time this protection has worn off. (Fact, ongoing)
9. Baxter International Inc. was in the process of applying for a contract to provide Avian Flu vaccines to European countries in the event of an Avian Flu epidemic. Its Austrian laboratory shipped Seasonal Flu vaccines to 18 countries in Europe. A laboratory technician tested the Baxter Seasonal Flu vaccines sent to the Czech Republic and discovered that they were contaminated with a highly pathogenic version of the Avian Flu, 72 Kilograms of it, although Level 3 precautions were in place and such contamination "could not have happened accidentally" according to experts in the field. No documentation of the destruction of this highly infective material has been provided although the Austrian Health Ministry insists that the deadly viral material was destroyed. (Fact, 2008, 2009)
10. A WHO investigation into the Baxter contaminated vaccine issue resulted in NO findings and in NO disciplinary actions. An Austrian investigation into the same events yielded the same results. (Fact, 2009)
11. Baxter has been rewarded with a lead role in developing, producing and disseminating the Swine Flu vaccine for the upcoming pandemic. (Fact, 2009)
12. Swine Flu was first identified to the public as a serious problem in April/May 2009 when 168 persons in Mexico were confirmed by CDC and WHO to have died from the Swine Flu. This number was later revised downward to only 16 deaths. (Fact, 2009)
13. It normally takes a minimum of 12 to 18 months to create a vaccine after a specific virus has been identified. (Fact)
14. The US Government has spent more than a billion dollars to develop and to make available the Swine flu vaccine for a disease which poses no significant health threat. (Fact, 2009)
15. The "Seed Culture" for the Swine Flu virus was provided to vaccine companies in May, 2009. Baxter International Inc. announced in June, 2009 that they would have their vaccine ready in July, 2009 . (Fact, 2009)
16. A WHO container of Swine Flu virus from Mexico City exploded on a passenger train in Luzon, Switzerland. All of the current Swiss cases of Swine Flu are from the area where the explosion took place. It is illegal to ship pathogenic viruses in this way. (Fact, 2009)
17. A significant number of virologists and other scientists are on record stating that the Swine Flu was created in a laboratory and could not evolve naturally. (Fact, 2009)


DATA SET 1
YOUR PICTURE(S)
YOUR CONCLUSION(S

DATA SET 2
1. Canada, Sweden, Norway, France and other countries have announced intentions to vaccinate every man, woman and child. To do so, they are ordering 2 shots per person of untested, unsafe and unnecessary Swine Flu Vaccines from a variety of manufacturers. The US Departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services both stated in early 2009 that they would do so "beginning with those who want it". (Fact, 2009)
2. President Obama announced to the public shortly after his inauguration that every man, woman and child should receive the Avian Flu vaccine this fall along with seasonal flu shots this coming Fall. President Obama is on record saying that he believes that vaccinations should be mandatory. (Fact, 2009)
3. The United States has spent $714 Million GPS mapping every front door of every house and apartment in the country and listing who lives in each house or apartment under the direction of the White House. (Fact, 2009)
4. Many people have reported that they have received calls at home or at work from agencies of the US Government inquiring about the "number of unvaccinated children in the household". (Fact, 2009)
5. The United States, Norway, Sweden, Austria and other countries have announced that in case of a Swine Flu pandemic all health and security authority shall revert to teams and command centers run by the WHO. (Fact, 2009)
6. Every recent major event like 9/11, the Madrid bombings or the London bombings has been accompanied by a materially identical "training exercise" simulating the actual event involving, confusing and distracting the legitimate responders. (Fact, 2001-ongoing)
7. A major set of FEMA training exercises is scheduled for 27 July, 2009. (Fact, 2009)

DATA SET 2
YOUR PICTURE(S)
YOUR CONCLUSION(S)


Draw your own conclusions about what is afoot. And if you, like the officers and trustees of the Natural Solutions Foundation, are deeply concerned by what you see, intuit and conclude from these facts, you WILL take action by clicking on the two Action Steps that follow. And you WILL enlist everyone you know and can reach to do the same and activate their contacts and circles of influence.

Click HERE to tell your legislators and your Governor that you demand your right to Self-Shield, instead of taking the dangerous vaccine OR being incarcerated: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275


Click HERE to urge your national and state legislators to protect food and farming (you'll find more information below): http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26714


Yours in health and freedom,
Major General Albert N. Stubblebine III
(US Army, Ret.)
President
Natural Solutions Foundation
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URGENT: Push Back Is Working

Net Roots Assemble! It's Time To Marshal Large Numbers of Voices

Prevent Marshal Law!

Self -Shielding and Codex Bills may be Introduced in Congress By Health Freedom Allies!

Push Back Working: Urgently Important to Act on Self Shielding Legislation Demand -- and take that demand viral!

We have word from the office of the most outspoken friend health freedom has in Congress that he is considering two new bills to support our freedom, in addition to the nutrient health claims bill that will be re-introduced into Congress shortly:

1. A Self-Shielding law which would give you the right to choose to remain at home rather than take a dangerous Pandemic Vaccine or be incarcerated and quarantined.

Click HERE to tell your legislators you demand your right to Self-Shield, instead of taking the dangerous vaccine OR being incarcerated: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275

and

2. A Codex Anti-Harmonization Bill. Taking the US out of Codex's restrictions on our access to nutrition would be a major step forward!

Meanwhile a New Farm and Food Safety Bill Threatens...

You can read our Counsel Ralph's blog on HR2749 here: http://vitaminlawyerhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/2009/07/hr-2749-sic-food-safety-bill.html

In it he writes: "While Self-Shielding in the face of manufactured pandemics and weaponized vaccines got our attention; while Codex further degraded the food supply... Congress was planning its own surprise: the forced-industrialization-of-farming bills, such as HR 875 & 759, have been replaced by a new "fast-tracked" (sic) "Food Safety" bill - HR 2749 - that threatens food, health and freedom. It is, in reality, a "martial law food control bill"

This new Farm and Food Safety (sic) legislation, HR 2749 is being pushed forward with limited debate as if it were a non-controversial bill and it, like the other dangerous Farm and Food Safety bills, contains implementation and harmonization language for Codex.

The worst of the Farm and Food Safety (sic) legislation, HR 2749 is being moved under a "Suspension of Rules" which is how "non-controversial legislation, like naming post offices" is usually done; limited debate, no amendments, one "up or down" vote and while it probably won't be voted on this week, it could come up in the next couple weeks.WE MUST FLOOD CONGRESS WITH MESSAGES REGARDING THIS! IF YOU ONLY DO ONE THING AS A RESULT OF THIS EMAIL, PLEASE, PLEASE, CLICK BELOW AND ASK EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO DO SO TOO!

Click HERE to urge your national and state legislators to protect food and farming: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26714


Remember, each of these Action Items can be sent in by every member of your family!

Have you clicked and sent the Action Items? Great. Now you can get to work and find ways to motivate the people in your email list, your relatives, the folks at your local Farmer's Market, Church, Synagogue, Mosque, Block Club, School, University or whatever groups of people with whom you communicate. A health fair in your area? A folk dance or festival? Great. These are urgent issues and all we need is a click of the Freedom Mouse from a large number of people. It really is up to us to mobilize the kind of Push Back that really does work.

Apparently, the Natural Solutions Foundation's enthusiastic Push Back - YOUR enthusiastic Push Back - is giving us the purchase we need to have legislation to permit self-shielding AND protection from Codex considered by a significant Congressman.

And our Push Back may even be impacting the plans of those who control Congress. In order to get HR 2749 out of committee, the sponsors had to allow an exemption into the bill -- breaching their hard line position that all food producers were to be treated like industrialized Agrabiz. That exemption covers any "food (i) produced on a farm; and (ii) sold ...directly to a consumer or restaurant." While it is not as strong as we'd advise (actually, we advise that the bill be defeated!) we were the first to call for explicit protective language for family farms, natural, organic, home, etc. food production and processing -- and your Push Back made this exemption possible! The bill must still be defeated, but along the way, we want to see the exemptions strengthened!

NOW is the time to pour on the Push Back heat. Now, when every member of Congress and State Legislature is aware of these issues. Now, while the horrifying FDA-Can-Declare-Martial-Law-And-Seize-Your-Property HR 2749 is being treated as if it were not controversial, now, while the phony "Swine Flu" is on everyone's lips (even under their masks!), NOW is the moment when our Push Back, coupled with helping every single person you know to take similar action, can have the greatest impact.

Self-Shielding is Your Right!

You know that Health and Health Freedom are under multiple attacks, rather like a castle being attacked by infantry swarming over the walls, catapults slamming into the towers, corpses dumped into the wells to poison the water and flaming arrows arcing high over the walls to land in the thatch roofs of the homes within the walls.

Under Common Law, which the Constitution of these United States says is to be respected, your Home IS your Castle and you are inviolate within it. Both the UN Declaration of Universal Rights and the Geneva Conventions agree. But, just as so many other protections and strong walls of freedom are being breached, so your home is about to be breeched. Under current legislation, there will be no vaccine exemptions for any reason. You will either take the vaccine, weaponized and dangerous as it is, or you run the very real risk of relocation, incarceration, isolation, quarantine and God knows what else. One thing for sure, a vaccine refuser will be viewed as somehow disloyal and there is no reason to think the food, conditions or treatment will support your health!

Like a prophet running around in rags inside the castle being breached sobbing, "Repent ye, repent ye", there are well-meaning people propagating petitions to refuse vaccines which have the right sentiment, but no political impact whatsoever. There are well meaning people telling you that because 48 States have vaccine exemption options, the "Pandemic Emergency"vaccination will, too. They are governed by different laws and we believe that there will be no exemptions for them.

Taken together with the fact that virtually every country of which we are aware is either ordering 2 shots of the untested, unsafe and unnecessary Swine Flu vaccine from some vaccine company or other (and there are apparently 89 different Swine Flu vaccine trials running at the moment!) the race is on to corral us all into either a vaccination line or a relocation line.

These are the vaccines that the FDA wants you to believe are, along with Tamiflu and its cousin Relenza, the ONLY ways to protect and treat Swine Flu. You remember that I told you in one of my earlier reports that we are no longer permitted to discuss Nano silver in this light, so we are not discussing it in that light. But I want you to know that I find that Nano silver, www.Nutronix.com/naturalsolutions

, is the finest universal nutrient immune system support that I know and has no known toxicity in any person of any age or health condition. I trust it implicitly and believe that having a store of it for my own use and that of those that I love is very important.

CHILDREN FIRST!

Make no mistake: Health Canada, the US and Scotland have said that children will be first. I personally am concerned that the White House-directed $714M GPS marking of every door in America (with a list of who lives behind that door) plus the phone calls that we are told were received many homes over the last months asking how many unvaccinated children live in the home may mean that YOU might be able to refuse vaccination and accept the consequences, but children will not be permitted to have their vaccination refused by parents and they may be either mandatorily vaccinated in public schools OR removed from the home if their parents refuse.

The fact is, governments are getting ready to turn over their health, police and other powers to the WHO/UN (aka "the New World Order") now that their PPP (Planned Pandemic Pretext) is being activated. Jane Burgermeister, the courageous journalist who has filed criminal charges over what she says is genocidal intent by drug companies and governments reports:

US: F.E.M.A. is planning nationwide terrorism drills in the United States set to begin on July 27th, 2009.... [9/11, 7/7, the Madrid Bombings and other disasters have all occurred during virtually nearly identical "exercises" involving those responders and troops who would otherwise focus on an event of their magnitude and suddenness - REL]

In the event of a pandemic declaration, WHO will coordinate the activities of Homeland Security and FEMA from a special pandemic control room linked to supercomputers of the UN security forces which appear set to be the the nerve center for any operation to transport large numbers of Americans by rail or road to the FEMA camps or [to or - REL] from special quarantine centers [to be - REL] set up at 19 airports.

Any systematic and sustained disruption to the operation of the WHO pandemic control room, of Homeland Security and FEMA headquarters or of the logistics of its units, of railways or other transport infrastructure leading to FEMA camps would be a severe blow to any covert mission to mass murder Americans and leave the country to be occupied by foreign troops under the direction of WHO and the UN. [This suggests the possibility of a false flag event during a Pandemic Emergency situation. We have no information to suggest any such event, but we are mindful of the implications of such an event - REL]

SWEDEN: Sweden has ordered two doses of Swine Flu Vaccine per person (18 million). The Swedish authority that deals with disease control says on their website that in case of a pandemic there will be "cooperation" with the EU and WHO. Sweden's pandemic plan indicates special pandemic "crisis management committees" will be given significant emergency powers in the event of a pandemic and be able to usurp the authority of other branches of local and national government, and will apparently also be ultimately taking their orders from WHO and the EU. http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:CoPQVpRS2ygJ:www.fao.org/docs/eims/upload//221496/national_plan_ai_swe_en.pdf+sweden+pandemic+plan&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

AUSTRIA: Under Austria's Influenza Pandemic Plan of 2005, WHO and the EU are set to take charge of Austria via a special crisis management team (SKKM) to be set up in the Federal Ministry of Interior in the event of a "pandemic" emergency. Inoculating the entire Austrian population with (Baxter) shots is a declared objective of the SKKM. The injections will contain a mix of "whole virus", mercury and adjuvants - and so be very toxic. http://www.bmg.gv.at/cms/site/attachments/3/6/8/CH0742/CMS1126084167391/pp_inetversion12_061.pdf http://www.bmg.gv.at/cms/site/attachments/3/6/8/CH0742/CMS1126084167391/pp_englisch.pdf

Similar pandemic plans exist in countries all over Europe. In some countries, such as France, the injections could be mandatory.

DON'T BE SILENT! http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275

Yours in health and freedom,

The Trustees of the Natural Solutions Foundation

Maj. Gen. Albert N. Stubblebine III (US Army, Ret.)
President

Rima E. Laibow, MD
Medical Director

Ralph Fucetola, JD
Counsel and Trustee

PS - Yes, we titled this emergency format an "Action eBlast" to differentiate it from our regular email eAlerts. This is an emergency message and we need you to take immediate action!

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posted July 09, 2009 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
By the way, I think I've just had this swine flu...and I can tell you that although it's not particularly nice it is far from anything serious....absolutely nothing worse than I've had before. Felt a bit groggy for a few days but ate lots of raw garlic and added garlic to food; I have also been using that miracle mineral solution again.

Feeling much better today, so it only lasted a couple of days or so!!

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posted July 09, 2009 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
it would be great if you could ascertain if that was the case...that you had swine flu i mean. thanks for posting LTT.

but how on earth will self-shielding work for those of us who can't provide a larder full of provisions for ourselves? will we be forced to die of starvation rather than be vaccinated? some choice!

if the vaccine works then it should be totally up to the individual whether to take his chances in the world or not. forget self-quarantine! those who believe in it can be jabbed and those who don't will not be endangering anyone else...?

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posted July 10, 2009 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe what they are really worried about is the effect that this flu has on the economy with it spreading so fast.

I think we're also held down by the constant perpetration of fear in the news.

But the good news is that its up to us whether to focus on fear, or not.

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posted July 10, 2009 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
so true, LTT. it's a dilemma..

"US: F.E.M.A. is planning nationwide terrorism drills in the United States set to begin on July 27th, 2009.... [9/11, 7/7, the Madrid Bombings and other disasters have all occurred during virtually nearly identical "exercises" involving those responders and troops who would otherwise focus on an event of their magnitude and suddenness - REL]"

i find the above quote very interesting in light of the fact that last night i was watching tv and they were announcing that "due to the transition to digital" reception could be less than ideal between july 23 and sept something...meaning? limited availability of news reporting?

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posted July 10, 2009 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
Im perplex.

On one hand: im scared, shoked, outraged, angry, in a killing mood!

On the other hand: im wondering if by my reaction, i dont actually facilitate or even create myself this reality.

All i know is that someone up there is watching and nothing is unpunished. THIS IS THE TRUTH.

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posted July 10, 2009 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
exactly, pire, that is the dilemma. fear may be the DESIRED result of spreading this knowledge...or is it rumour?

in the end it may boil down to those who are fit for it will survive and the rest will succumb, be it flu, control politics, war, food manipulation, whatever. so is it a good thing to worry about any of this? or is it foolish to ignore it and not speak out/ take action to exercise your rights?

the us constitution acknowledges COMMON LAW. of course standing up for your common law rights can be suicide if done alone or behind closed doors...(yes i know you're not in the US)but maybe we need to KNOW that we cannot die if we are going to really live?

it IS possible to live in peace and harmony. it has been done before. the war instinct, the power hunger that most people consider "normal" is NOT the only way...

which is why hope is more powerful than cynicism, in the long run...

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posted July 16, 2009 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
More fear mongoring? Are you willing to gamble?


Fight for swine flu vaccine could get ugly


LONDON – An ugly scramble is brewing over the swine flu vaccine — and when it becomes available, Britain, the United States and other nations could find that the contracts they signed with pharmaceutical companies are easily broken.

Experts warn that during a global epidemic, which the world is in now, governments may be under tremendous pressure to protect their own citizens first before allowing companies to ship doses of vaccine out of the country.

That does not bode well for many nations, including the United States, which makes only 20 percent of the regular flu vaccines it uses, or Britain, where all of its flu vaccines are produced abroad.

"This isn't rocket science," said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. "If there is severe disease, countries will want to hang onto the vaccine for their own citizens."

Experts say politicians would not be able to withstand the pressure.

"The consequences of shipping vaccine to another country when your own people don't have it would be devastating," added David Fedson, a retired vaccine industry executive.

About 70 percent of the world's existing flu vaccines are made in Europe, and only a handful of countries are self-sufficient in vaccines. The U.S. has limited flu vaccine facilities, and because factories can't be built overnight, there is no quick fix to boost vaccine supplies.

Earlier this week, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced it was spending $884 million to buy extra supplies of two key ingredients for a swine flu vaccine. The U.S. has contracts to get swine flu vaccines from Sanofi Pasteur, MedImmune, GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis. Sanofi Pasteur and MedImmune both have vaccine plants in the U.S., while GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis have plants in Europe.

Even if the U.S. held onto all the swine flu vaccine produced domestically, it would still not be enough for all Americans.

About 80 million Americans are vaccinated against the seasonal flu every year. In 2004, when problems with the U.S.' flu vaccine supply at a British factory hit, there were less than 54 million shots available. Flu vaccines were saved for those in high-risk groups like the elderly and pregnant women, and officials asked other people to simply forgo their usual flu shot.

If there are limited swine flu shots during a pandemic that turns more serious, experts are not sure people will be as willing to skip getting a vaccine.

Last week, the World Health Organization reported nearly 95,000 cases of swine flu, including 429 deaths worldwide. If swine flu turns deadlier in the winter, the main flu season in the Northern Hemisphere, countries will likely be clamoring for any available vaccines.

"Pandemic vaccine will be a valuable and scarce resource, like oil or food during a famine," said David Fidler, a professor of law at Indiana University who has consulted for WHO. "We've seen how countries behave in those situations, and it's not encouraging."

Britain claims it will start vaccinating people in August, Italy says it will begin by the end of the year, and many other countries have similar strategies. Those mass vaccination plans could be derailed by problems making the vaccine and by other countries' refusal to ship it abroad.

If the virus remains mild, this could all be moot. Experts estimate swine flu to be about as dangerous as seasonal flu, and there usually isn't a high demand for those vaccines. Still, regular flu kills up to 500,000 people a year.

In past pandemics, or global epidemics, vaccines were never exported before the country that produced them got enough for its own population first.

Unlike the last two pandemics in 1957 and 1968, however, many more countries this time around have struck deals with companies which they say guarantee them first access to vaccine. Yet in a global health emergency, those contracts may ultimately be meaningless.

Countries with flu vaccine plants might decide to seize all vaccines and ban their export, thus breaking the pharmaceutical contracts promising other countries vaccine supplies. These private contracts are not binding international law between two countries, according to Fidler.

He said most vaccine contracts include a clause allowing them to be broken under extraordinary circumstances, such as a health emergency. That would leave the countries who had brokered such deals not only without vaccine, but without legal recourse.

"There's nothing in international law that helps you resolve this, it's just a political nightmare happening in the midst of an epidemiological nightmare," Fidler said.

Britain has ordered 60 million doses, enough to cover its entire population. But those doses are being manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline PLC and Baxter International Inc., whose production plants are in Germany, Austria and the Czech Republic. Neither Britain's department of health or the vaccine manufacturers would comment on delivery plans.

On Thursday, Britain's chief medical officer estimated that as many as 75,000 Britons could eventually be killed by the swine flu pandemic, if 1 in 3 people are infected.

Osterholm said about 80 percent of the United States' pandemic vaccine supply will be coming from abroad and he is very concerned about when it might arrive. Timing could be everything to avoid a vaccine spat.

"It's easy to move vaccine around if the disease is relatively mild. But if it is more severe, countries may not be willing to let it go," he said.

So far, swine flu remains a relatively mild disease, and most people don't need medical treatment to get better. But experts fear the virus could mutate into a more dangerous form. And during the flu season, when the virus spreads more easily, more people will probably fall sick and die.

Public health officials are aware that so-called "vaccine wars" might break out if the swine flu outbreak worsens, but are loathe to even discuss the topic.

The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, an agency of the European Union, said it had no mandate to advise countries in such circumstances. WHO said it was not aware of any nations planning to block the shipment of vaccines and said it would work to ensure all countries get enough doses to protect their health workers.

Questions also remain about when a swine flu vaccine will even be available, as WHO reported this week that a fully licensed vaccine might not be ready until the end of the year.

With little or no safety data about a swine flu vaccine, governments that are planning to roll out mass campaigns are taking a gamble, since any rare side effects won't show up until millions of people start getting the shots.

Experts say government promises about when vaccines will arrive should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

"Many pieces of the puzzle are missing," Osterholm said. "Anyone who pretends to have a well-defined schedule of vaccine delivery is obviously very poorly informed."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_med_vaccine_fight

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posted July 17, 2009 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Juni.

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posted July 17, 2009 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well i hope they don't have enough for everyone. and i hope my grandson's school doesn't participate in any mandated vaccinations...or maybe this is a good time to start homeschooling!!

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Swine Flu Could Hit up to 40% in U.S.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_he_me/us_med_swine_flu

ATLANTA – In a disturbing new projection, health officials say up to 40 percent of Americans could get swine flu this year and next and several hundred thousand could die without a successful vaccine campaign and other measures.

The estimates by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are roughly twice the number of those who catch flu in a normal season and add greater weight to hurried efforts to get a new vaccine ready for the fall flu season.

Swine flu has already hit the United States harder than any other nation, but it has struck something of a glancing blow that's more surprising than devastating. The virus has killed about 300 Americans and experts believe it has sickened more than 1 million, comparable to a seasonal flu with the weird ability to keep spreading in the summer.

Health officials say flu cases may explode in the fall, when schools open and become germ factories, and the new estimates dramatize the need to have vaccines and other measures in place.

A world health official said the first vaccines are expected in September and October. The United States expects to begin testing on some volunteers in August, with 160 million doses ready in October.

The CDC came up with the new projections for the virus' spread last month, but it was first disclosed in an interview this week with The Associated Press.

The estimates are based on a flu pandemic from 1957, which killed nearly 70,000 in the United States but was not as severe as the infamous Spanish flu pandemic of 1918-19. The number of deaths and illnesses from the new swine flu virus would drop if the pandemic peters out or if efforts to slow its spread are successful, said CDC spokesman Tom Skinner.

"Hopefully, mitigation efforts will have a big impact on future cases," he said. Besides pushing flu shots, health officials might urge measures such as avoiding crowded places, handwashing, cough covering and timely use of medicines like Tamiflu.

Because so many more people are expected to catch the new flu, the number of deaths over two years could range from 90,000 to several hundred thousand, the CDC calculated. Again, that is if a new vaccine and other efforts fail.

In a normal flu season, about 36,000 people die from flu and its complications, according to the American Medical Association. That too is an estimate, because death certificates don't typically list flu as a cause of death. Instead, they attribute a fatality to pneumonia or other complications.

Influenza is notoriously hard to predict, and some experts have shied away from a forecast. At a CDC swine flu briefing Friday, one official declined to answer repeated questions about her agency's own estimate.

"I don't think that influenza and its behavior in the population lends itself very well to these kinds of models," said the official, Dr. Anne Schuchat, who oversees the CDC's flu vaccination programs.

The World Health Organization says as many as 2 billion people could become infected in the next two years — nearly a third of the world population. The estimates look at potential impacts in a two-year period because past flu pandemics have occurred in waves over more than one year.

Swine flu has been an escalating concern in Britain and some other European nations, where the virus' late arrival has grabbed attention and some officials at times have sounded alarmed.

In an interview Friday, the WHO's flu chief told the AP the global epidemic is still in its early stages.

"Even if we have hundreds of thousands of cases or a few millions of cases ... we're relatively early in the pandemic," Keiji Fukuda said at WHO headquarters in Geneva.
The first vaccines are expected in September and October, Fukuda said. Other vaccines won't be ready until well into the flu season when a further dramatic rise in swine flu cases is expected.

First identified in April, swine flu has likely infected more than 1 million Americans, the CDC believes, with many of those suffering mild cases never reported. There have been 302 deaths and nearly 44,000 laboratory-identified cases, according to numbers released Friday morning.
Because the swine flu virus is new, most people haven't developed an immunity to it. So far, most of those who have died from it in the United States have had other health problems, such as asthma.

The virus has caused an unusual number of serious illnesses in teens and young adults; seasonal flu usually is toughest on the elderly and very young children.

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posted July 27, 2009 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
"Dont believe the hype."

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posted July 27, 2009 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
apparently here in the us they are planning to start trials of a vaccine very soon - using thousands of children as guinea pigs! whether these kids are volunteers, or have been volunteered by their parents, it strikes me as pretty cavalier that they would try it on the little ones first! why not grownups who might THINK about what they are risking???

david icke seems to think that the results will not be conclusive as to the dangers, that the side effects will lie dormant for awhile, encouraging faith in the stuff...is this too far out? i never know with him whether he is extrapolating or going on information received....

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posted July 27, 2009 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
2 billions people ill, come on! That's not enough! Think big, biiiiig, biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig.

I want the trees and stones to cough to death.

The world is ours. Nobody can stop us. Who? How? When? Where?

How? I repeat, how?

I've got money because I is the bank. Ahahahahaaaaaa

I've got power because I is the nuclear power. Ahahahahaaaaaaa

What else can i have..... Mmmmm

Their fear, their sweat, their gratitude and why not their brain.

Believe they will also give me their trust and their love and most importantly, i'll divide them and make sure they fear and hate each other.

Im the master

Muahhaahaahaaaaaa

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posted July 27, 2009 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
anyone read the translucent revolution? especially the segments on business and medicine?

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posted July 28, 2009 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
more to the point, maybe, anyone had the swine flu? verified? of the very few people i have heard of having it, it was nothing to write home about. now i know some people have died of it but does this merit widespread vaccination?

even if we take the most optimistic road and say, the medical establishment and WHO are completely sincere and competent, looking out for our good, does flu vaccine actually make a difference?

and why are they using children FIRST to test this stuff?????

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