posted August 05, 2009 09:56 AM         

That's the method O'Bomber and his merry little band of Marxist Socialists intend to use to solve the Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Prescription Drug Program budget problems.

Killing benefit recipients solves all those problems.

But, that's a solution none of these Marxist Socialists will prescribe for themsleves. They've written a provision into O'BomberCare exempting members of Congress...and others from the tender mercies of O'BomberCare; and when asked if they intend to "volunteer" for O'Bombercare...there's no takers from members of congress.

MEDICAL MURDER
Why Obamacare could result in the early deaths of millions of baby boomers
Posted: August 05, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

Imagine lying in some government-run hospital, hospice or nursing home many years from now. Imagine languishing unattended for days in soiled sheets, suffering from hunger and thirst, covered with bed sores, your flesh aboil with untreated infections. Imagine living in fear of resentful, underpaid health aides who take out their anger on you and abuse you. And imagine spending your final moments on earth in the company of a government health care worker with a syringe, who injects you with a lethal cocktail.

Do you find this hard to imagine? You should. In any civilized country, such things should not happen – ever. But President Obama’s health care proposals have the very real potential to turn this nightmare into a reality for many Americans, according to an in-depth investigation reported in the August edition of Whistleblower magazine, titled "MEDICAL MURDER: Why Obamacare could result in the early deaths of millions of baby boomers."

Especially vulnerable are the 80 million baby boomers born between 1946 and 1964. "If you belong to that group, take note," says Richard Poe, author of the August cover story. "Your generation has been targeted for a program of age-based medical rationing such as our country has never before experienced."

Adds Whistleblower Editor David Kupelian, "If this dire end-of-life scenario sounds too awful to be possible, that is only because the reality of Obamacare has not been sufficiently reported. For this is not a fantasy – it is what is already occurring in other 'civilized' nations, including Canada and Britain, that have adopted the same government-run system."

For instance, the cover story, "Medical Murder," documents how British seniors, under a government-run system, "are routinely denied treatment for cancer, heart disease and other deadly illnesses," many dying "in filthy, overcrowded hospitals or nursing homes, rife with pestilence, including the deadly, antibiotic-resistant superbugs." Numerous horror stories of needed medical care intentionally denied reveal the stark reality of government-run health care worldwide.

To a small degree, Obamacare's ominous implications are starting to leak out. Here's how columnist Charlotte Allen explained it recently in the Los Angeles Times:

In looking for a way to fund healthcare, Obama has set his eye on the oldest and sickest. You see, according to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, about 30 percent of Medicare spending – nearly $100 billion annually – goes to care for patients during their last year of life. What if there were no 'last year of life,' the president seems to be asking. ... [W]hy not save billions of dollars by killing off our own unproductive oldsters and terminal patients, or – since we aren't likely to do that outright in this, the 21st century – why not simply ensure that they die faster by denying them costly medical care? The savings could then subsidize care for the younger and healthier.
And for those who have been paying close attention, Obama himself has ever-so-gently hinted at his true intentions. At a town hall event in June televised by ABC News, Obama cited the case of his grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who died on the eve of his election, suggesting one way to cut medical costs would be to stop expensive procedures on people about to die.

Families, Obama said, need better information so they don't approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care."

"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller," the president offered.

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Obama was slightly more explicit in a May 3 interview with the New York Times, when he said there ought to be a national "conversation" over whether "sort of in the aggregate, society making those decisions to give my grandmother, or everybody else's aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they're terminally ill is a sustainable model." Such decisions, added Obama, shouldn't be left to patients or their relatives, but to a "group" of "doctors, scientists, ethicists" who are not part of "normal political channels."

One such elite medical decision-maker would be Obama’s special adviser for health policy, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel. He's a longtime advocate of "age-weighted medical rationing" – meaning, the older you are, the less care you get, as in Britain. But what about the Hippocratic Oath, you might ask, the sacred vow doctors have always taken to do all they can to heal their patients? As Whistleblower documents, Emanuel advises doctors to stop taking that oath so literally, and instead to be "prudent" in assessing how much time, effort and money each patient is worth, for the greater good of society.

Moreover, as "MEDICAL MURDER" reports, a bill being pushed hard by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, chairman of the Senate Finance Subcommittee on Health Care, will take from Congress all authority over federal health spending and decree that such decisions in the future would be made by a secretive committee of "experts" modeled after – are you ready? – the Federal Reserve Board.

Highlights of "MEDICAL MURDER" include:

"It's D-Day for choice in health care" by Joseph Farah

"The evil of Obamacare" by David Kupelian

"Alice in Medical Care" by Thomas Sowell, who says those raising healthcare alarm are "long on catch phrases, short on coherence"

"Medical murder" by Richard Poe, a stunning, in-depth investigative report why Obamacare could result in the early deaths of millions of baby boomers

"Massachusetts: A model not to copy" by Phyllis Schlafly, who shows the Obama-Kennedy health care bill is based on a failing plan

"Government is the problem" by Ben Shapiro, on why Obama's plan will only make America's health care system worse

"How Obama's health care agenda will hurt American families" – documenting how the plan chips away at fundamental rights while putting bureaucrats in control of decisions

"Entitled to be sick, fat and self-destructive" by Star Parker, who says personal responsibility is at the heart of the real health care solution

"Exposing the myths of universal health coverage," by Devon Herrick, on why Obama's plan to lower costs would have the opposite effect

"'45 million Americans' – who are those guys?" by Larry Elder, revealing what the government isn't telling you about the so-called "uninsured"

"Health care is not that complicated" by C. Edmund Wright, who shows graphically what would happen to auto repair if we used the same system of insurance?

"Live free or die" by Mark Steyn, who explains how government health care "can be used to justify almost any restraint on freedom"
"Obamacare is arguably the single most important issue of our time," said Kupelian. "It's not about taxes, debt, wasteful spending or burdensome regulations – it's about our very lives, and the lives of our loved ones. Americans seriously need to wake up and see the horror staring them in the face, and then they need to let their elected representatives know, in no uncertain terms, exactly what they think of Obamacare."
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posted August 05, 2009 11:34 AM         

this sounds like the $7000/mo joint my mother spent 3 months in before she managed to have a crisis large enough to get her into ICU and then a nice hospice! both in new york state. she had insurance AND medicare. she could have stayed in the first until her money ran out, in about 3 years...charming eh?

posted August 05, 2009 11:55 PM         

you had me fooled. thought you actually had a heart buried in there somewhere. but i guess emotion is only for those leftists, eh?

posted August 12, 2009 05:18 PM         

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted August 13, 2009 05:21 PM         

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted August 13, 2009 05:35 PM         

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the emoting leftist mindset.

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Isn't the local "emoter" a Conservative in these parts? The one who suggested we should be OUTRAGED (no less ) at the fact that Obama was out collecting the information that contradicts his health plan? The one who tries to inflate this collection of data (a non-emotional thing) into the idea that's designed to "intimidate."

posted August 14, 2009 01:50 PM         

For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor
In recent weeks, right-wing groups have been pushing the myth that health care reform will somehow kill seniors. One of the most high profile voices pushing this lie has been Sarah Palin, who claimed President Obama will institute bureaucratic “death panels.” Today, again on her Facebook page, she continued the attack. Though some Republicans have rebuffed this absurd, inaccurate notion — like Johnny Isakson (R-GA), who called such talk “nuts” — others, like Newt Gingrich, have piled on to agree with Palin.

However, on April 16th 2008, then Gov. Sarah Palin endorsed some of the same end of life counseling she now decries as a form of euthanasia. In a proclamation announcing “Healthcare Decisions Day,” Palin urged public facilities to provide better information about advance directives, and made it clear that it is critical for seniors to be informed of such options:

WHEREAS, Healthcare Decisions Day is designed to raise public awareness of the need to plan ahead for healthcare decisions, related to end of life care and medical decision-making whenever patients are unable to speak for themselves and to encourage the specific use of advance directives to communicate these important healthcare decisions. [...]

WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of Alaska’s citizens with advance directives.

WHEREAS, the Foundation for End of Life Care in Juneau, Alaska, and other organizations throughout the United States have endorsed this event and are committed to educating the public about the importance of discussing healthcare choices and executing advance directives.

Though this proclamation is now deleted from the Alaska governor’s website, it shows that Palin’s current fear-mongering is purely political. Palin is not the only conservative leader completely flip-flopping on this issue. Merely months ago, Gingrich too endorsed end of life counseling. At a conference in April of this year, Gingrich said advance directives can “save money” while also helping to “decrease the stress felt by caregivers.”

posted September 29, 2009 09:45 AM         

However, 41% still don't get it, being unable to reason rationally and logically. For those people who are so lost in space they don't even know what the questions are let alone the answers, here's a good starting point...The Qestions....and The Answers.

Tuesday, September 29, 2009
20 Questions About Obamacare
by John Hawkins

Because Barack Obama voted "present" on the health care bill by refusing to submit his own bill, Americans have been left with a number of different bills in Congress to evaluate. This has been made more difficult by the fact that the Democrats, including Barack Obama -- scratch that -- ESPECIALLY Barack Obama, have been lying about what's in the bills winding their way through Congress. Meanwhile, the mainstream media has stopped asking any tough questions and has simply taken on the role of a love struck cheerleader waving pom poms for her dashing boyfriend, the quarterback of the health care plan.

So, let's talk about the basic questions YOU should have answered to your satisfaction before you consider supporting any health care bill that comes out of Congress. As you read these questions, keep in mind that every one has been inspired by bills that are moving through Congress as we speak.

1) Medicare and Social Security are driving this country into bankruptcy. Can we afford another gargantuan government entitlement program when we know we can't pay for the programs we already have?

**NO, and the actual cost of this disastrous plan will be much higher than O'Bomber and demoscats are telling Americans. Name one government program which DID NOT cost many multiples of it's estimated cost when government was trying to sell it to Americans.

2) Given that the Medicare system will soon be going into the red, does it make sense to attempt to cut 500 billion dollars in funds out of the program to move over to another entitlement program?

**NO, that will lead to the rationing of health care services for seniors and the "Panel" making decisions about whether or not seniors can have surgeries and drug therapies. That's the prelude to the "Death Panel" and the handing down of "Death Sentences" for seniors.

3) One of the biggest selling points of government run health care is that it will reduce costs. How can anyone believe the same federal government that is running an almost 2 trillion dollar deficit is going to be financially responsible enough to cut health care costs.

**This is the most reckless Congress in the history of the United States. They've spent the United States into virtual bankruptcy. They've already mortgaged your future, your childrens future and your childrens childrens futures.

4) Will people who have previously decided not to get health care coverage be forced to spend a significant portion of their income on mandated coverage or risk huge fines or perhaps even jail time?

**Yes, I have read that in some cases people will be required to spend up to $13,000 to purchase health insurance

5) Will abortions be covered under the health care plan?

**Yes, O'Bomber and demoscats have already declared abortion is an "essential element" of women's health care.

6) Will illegal aliens be able to get coverage?

**Yes, illegal aliens are only prohibited from receiving "GOVERNMENT CREDITS" to purchase health insurance. There are no enforcement mechanisms in place in HR3200 which would catch illegal aliens who make application for even the government option. Right now, as this is being written, demoscats are attempting to remove even that appearance of denying illegal aliens government option/government subsidized health insurance.

7) Will you have to deal with the IRS in order to pay your medical bills?

**Yes, you will have to prove to the IRS you have a "Qualifying Plan" under O'BomberCare or face crippling fines and prosecution in courts of law if you don't or can't pay the fines imposed by the IRS. Further, the IRS will have access to your bank account and records and a pre-authorized authority to go into your bank account and withdraw funds under HR3200.

8) Would you be able to keep your current doctor under a new plan?

**Perhaps...IF your doctor is a provider member of a health insurance plan...AND if there are no changes in the current insurance policy coverage AND if your health insurance plan is deemed a "QUALIFYING PLAN" under O'BomberCare. In a recent poll of doctors...not the AMA but "Doctors", 47% said they would strongly consider quitting medicine if O'BomberCare passes Congress and is signed into law.

9) If you like your insurance plan, will you be allowed to keep it?

**See #8 above and add: IF O'BomberCare deems your current plan a "QUALIFYING PLAN" AND IF there are NO changes to your policy coverages and IF the deep pockets government option doesn't put your insurance company out of business by selling insurance at premium rates below the COST OF INSURING THE RISK.

10) If the health care bill passes, will dozens of government bureaucrats suddenly have access to your private medical records, which are zealously guarded under our current laws?

**Absolutely, that's one of the provisions of HR3200 and it won't be merely "dozens" of government bureaucrats but almost anyone with a government computer and monitor. O'BomberCare eliminates "Medical Privacy" of Americans.

11) Given that the cost of lawsuits and tort reform significantly drive up the cost of medical care for all Americans, why is tort reform not being included in these bills?

**Because those ambulance chasing "Tort Lawyers" are one of the largest contributors to demoscat reelection campaigns and "Tort Lawyers" don't want "Tort Reform" and the elimination of "Junk Lawsuits" from which they benefit financially.

12) By simply giving tax breaks to individuals instead of employers, Congress could make health care portable; so you wouldn't risk losing your health care when you lose your job. Why isn't that being considered?

**Because O'Bomber and his Socialist backers in Congress want to take over the entire health care sector of the economy and that's one of their main talking points AND because portability of insurance is one of the easist fixes. Common sense fixes do not fit O'Bomber's template when he's attemting to take over the entire system. Inflammatory rhetoric about loss of insurance coverage when jobs are lost or changed is a big O'Bomber talking point.

13) The employee mandates in the bill could cost as many as 1.5 million people their jobs. Does it make sense to do that in a recession?

**No, it makes no sense to burden employers or potential employers further with government mandates, fines and higher costs per employee hired or retained at a time unemployment is approaching 10% of the workforce in America.

14) The new health care plan will dramatically increase taxes on expensive plans by 1/3. But quickly, because of medical inflation, other much more modest plans will become worth enough to be hit with the tax. Does it really make sense to implement what will become a gigantic new tax on the middle class?

**No, we've already seen what happens when government attempts to attack the more affulent as they did with the "ALTERNATIVE MINIMUN TAX" to punish those making high incomes. Within a few years...because of "BRACKET CREEP", millions of middle class income tax filers found themselves subject to the "ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX" and paying much higher income tax rates on their earnings.

15) Will the health care bill destroy the insurance industry and leave the country with a single payer system run by the government?

**Absolutely and that's the O'Bomber goal. Who can compete with the deep pockets government which can sell insurance below the actual cost of insurance AND simply raise taxes or print more money to prop up the government option and drive real insurance companies out of business.

16) There has been a lot of talk about making insurance companies compete. In fact, that is the biggest stated rationale for the public option. However, if this is so, why aren't these health plans allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines? That would inspire real market based competition.

**Because the stated purpose of the "Government Option is a lie on it's face. The government option is not there to create more competition among the insurance companies...of which there are already more than 1300. The purpose of the government option is to drive insurance companies out of business to make way for a "Single Payer" Socialist health care system. Opening up competition across state lines is one of the easist fixes for the current high cost of health insurance and it's the main one O'Bomber and Socialists in Congress don't want to consider at all.

17) You can sue an insurance company if they illegally deny your claim. Will you be able to do the same if the government is running things?

**No, there is specific language in HR 3200 which makes a panel the final decider of claims. Claims cannot be appealed beyond that panel by any administrative or court process. Whatever they say is the final word. Due process of law is denied under O'BomberCare. There is only one judge, jury and executioner under O'BomberCare and that's the panel.

18) Obama is promising that insurance companies can't turn you down for coverage if you're sick, drop you if you lie about your coverage, or place any kind of cap on how much coverage you can get. Do you really believe insurance companies can continue to exist and function under those circumstances?

**No, this provision of O'BomberCare is like having an auto collision in the morning where your car is totaled, passengers are severly injured and then going to an auto insurer in the afternoon to insure the wreck you already had. You'd get thrown out of the office. There are other ways to insure those who do not qualify for insurance coverage because of "Pre-existing Conditions" but O'Bomber and demoscats in Congress don't want to consider any of those. Their goal is the take over of the entire health care industry after they've driven private sector insurers out of business.

19) There are only roughly 8-10 million people who want insurance but can't afford it. Why not concentrate on helping those people instead overhauling the whole system?

**Because that doesn't fit the agenda template of O'Bomber and demoscats and runs counter to their goals of taking over the entire health care sector. That too is a relatively easy fix to a system that's not broken but needs some reform. The best health care system in the world does not need to be scraped, it's needs some common sense changes which demoscats have resisted at every turn..because fixing the current system doesn't fit their agenda template of taking over the entire health care system and instituting a "Single Payer" Socialist health care system.

20) What guarantees do the American people have that senior citizens won't be denied life saving treatment to save money as they are in nations like Britain?

posted September 29, 2009 12:37 PM         

i think the percentage is MUCH higher. i look at most people and they don't "get" that they are having every reactionary puppet string pulled every which way.

posted September 29, 2009 03:27 PM         

And those polls are conducted among those who vote...which means demoscats who vote for O'BomberCare are marching straight off the cliff with O'Bomber...and they know it.

These people come from the broad political spectrum, including Independents and the American center.

O'Bomber has lost America on this and a lot of other issues too.

posted September 29, 2009 05:52 PM         

Rasmussen polls don't become more credible the more you post them either.

One of the things I can refute in his article that we haven't touched upon before is this notion that doctor's plan on quitting the profession if reform is passed.

Most doctors — 63 percent — say they favor giving patients a choice that would include both public and private insurance. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960

posted September 29, 2009 08:23 PM         

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One of the few things Jwhop's author got right is that it isn't rightfully "ObamaCare" as Obama's not crafting it.

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Of course not. He's an eensie-weensie, teeny-tiny baby puppet with no real power.

I wish I could tell you what I have learned from an older man I'm close to who works closely with certain "others". Sorry, I wish I didnt have to be so cryptic.

We're in for a wild ride folks. ...and most of us havent the slightest.

posted September 29, 2009 09:23 PM         

People keep telling me to open a facebook, but it bugs me out. I tried once but it somehow knew I wasnt giving my real name and denied me. So I'm all set. Maybe I'll try again. Do you recommend it?