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AcousticGod
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posted August 15, 2009 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
By Angie Drobnic Holan
Published on Thursday, August 13th, 2009 at 1:29 p.m.

We've researched and written dozens of Truth-O-Meter items on health care reform, so we chose our 10 Greatest Hits, the ones we consider most significant:

• Sarah Palin: Seniors and the disabled "will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care." Pants on Fire!

'Death panels' are not part of Obama's health plan. It's not clear where Palin, the former Republican governor of Alaska, came up with this idea. A "comparative effectiveness" board in the health care bill evaluates treatments, not patients. And the board's conclusions aren't binding. And the bill allows Medicare to pay for counseling sessions on end-of-life care, but it's not required (and it doesn't require euthenasia!)
• John Boehner: The Democrat-backed health care reform plan "will require (Americans) to subsidize abortion with their hard-earned tax dollars." False

In the first go-round, health bills didn't mention abortion. A recent amendment, though, seeks to broker a neutral compromise. People can choose a health plan with coverage for abortions, though not subsidized by tax dollars. Another option will allow people to choose a plan with no abortion. Boehner, the House Republican leader, is wrong that subsidies for abortion are required.

• Betsy McCaughey: The health care reform bill "would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner." Pants on Fire!

There are no mandatory sessions. Instead, for the first time, Medicare will cover doctor appointments for patients to discuss living wills and other end-of-life issues. These appointments are completely optional, and the AARP supports the measure. McCaughey, a conservative commentator on health, misses the mark.

• Chain e-mail: "All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services." Pants on Fire!

Nobody gets completely free health care in the bill, and certainly not illegal immigrants. The basis for this rumor is a generic nondiscrimination clause that says that insurers may not discriminate with regard to "personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." But the e-mail leaps to an incorrect conclusion.

• Chain e-mail: In the health care bill, "The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None." Pants on Fire!

The Health Choices Commissioner oversees a health insurance exchange where people shop for individual policies. People will choose from several different offerings, so this statement is just wrong.

• Barack Obama: "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan." Half True

Obama was trying to make the point that employer-provided health insurance will stay in place under his plan. But the truth is, employers will be free to change policies, just like they can now. So you can only keep your health plan if your employer decided to keep it.

• Russ Carnahan: "The Congressional Budget Office most recently came out and analyzed the current (health care) plan and said that it was not only deficit-neutral, but also that over 10 years it would create a $6 billion surplus." False

The CBO has not scored the plan as deficit neutral. In fact, they found that it would add $239 billion to the deficit over 10 years. Democrats hope new pay-go legislation will help the CBO score, but the CBO hasn't confirmed that. Carnahan is a Democratic congressman from Missouri.

• Barack Obama: "Medicare and Medicaid are the single biggest drivers of the federal deficit and the federal debt by a huge margin." Mostly True

Not in the short term. But over the long haul, Medicare and Medicaid will consume the federal budget.

• Karl Rove: Under a public health care option, 120 million Americans will "lose what they now get from private companies and be forced onto the government-run rolls as businesses decide it is more cost-effective for them to drop coverage." False

Rove, a Republican strategist, cites a study that actually says that many people would select the cheapest health insurance plan if given a choice. People would not be forced onto a government-run plan.

• Roy Blunt: "Democrats have failed to answer the most basic question of how they want to pay for the more than $1 trillion of health care spending." Mostly True

Blunt, a Republican congressman from Missouri, said this back in May, but it's still Mostly True. Democrats have different ideas on how to pay for health care, and it's one of the great unanswered questions in the debate so far.
Health Care Fact Checks Greatest Hits Vol. 1

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posted August 16, 2009 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting international poll regarding healthcare in 10 countries:
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=927

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posted August 16, 2009 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
and seems the germans feel well enough off that they don't care if they need money to get access!! interesting indeed..

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posted August 18, 2009 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Just because Jwhop needs a bit more education.

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posted August 18, 2009 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
That's rich.

A bunch of lying leftists running political interference for O'Bomber while masquerading behind the mask of "journalism"...purports to tell us...the "facts".

This is the same bunch of dunderheads who have endorsed every loco-weed induced pipe dream of leftists...and also the very same newspaper which is specifically refused permission to so much as throw a complimentary copy of their fish wrapper newspaper in my driveway..The St Petersburg Times.

These are the yoyos you want us to rely on for facts...about anything acoustic?

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posted August 18, 2009 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Between them and you...absolutely.

At least they get facts straight. We're still waiting on you.

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posted August 18, 2009 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
the harris poll is a leftist operation? since when?

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posted August 18, 2009 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
No, he's talking about the original post. He can't stand the newspaper that Politifact is associated with. He can't discredit the actual fact-checking, so he tries to discredit the paper instead. It's one of the telltale signs that Jwhop's got nothin'.

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posted August 19, 2009 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
As a so called "fact checking" organization, Polifact is discredited by their open advocacy, political activism and the fact they are the propaganda arm of the St Petersburg Times.

No organization which attempts to influence public opinion in one direction or another should ever be trusted by anyone to get their "facts" right or straight.

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posted August 19, 2009 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
They would only be discreditted by being found wrong, a feat I've yet to witness.

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No organization which attempts to influence public opinion in one direction or another should ever be trusted by anyone to get their "facts" right or straight.

So you're swearing off the Conservative opinion journals, then?

Almost all organizations try to sway public opinion in some manner, and with varying degrees of truthfulness. The fact that an organization endeavors to influence public opinion shouldn't be the determining factor in a decision whether or not to trust the entity. The crucial factor is whether or not the organization's claims can be proven or disproven.

That's why your attempt at discreditting fact-checking agencies goes so wrong. You're going about it the wrong way. Each time I try to steer you in the direction of doing it the right way, but you're never willing to be logical.

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