posted August 28, 2009 05:11 PM            

Kat, why should jwhop show his BC? He is not in question to become president, but the one WE have is one that will not disclose his record. Even my own husband has to disclose everything (and has to go through an extensive backround check because of his clearance) but for some reason Obama is exempt.

The leader of our country is allowed to shut down access to various records that all other Presidents and even our congressional people must show.

Hmmm.... something isn't right with this situation.

posted August 28, 2009 06:47 PM            

does no one see that fighting amongst ourselves is ridiculous? what is that line? oh, yes, united we stand, divided we fall. in whose interests is it that the people spend all their time fighting each other instead of taking care of business and standing up for their rights?

posted August 29, 2009 12:30 PM            

none of which is relevant to this thread so thanks for moving it. see you there.

i do feel for you, which is why i mentioned the stress of your circumstances all those months ago. i was not being snide as you assumed. but i don't believe in letting the stress over one situation bleed into other irrelevant ones...

you are right, mccain not only was born outside the continental states, but he was raised in the military which does not exactly give him a normal american childhood. obviously american bases are considered us territory (which i would object to if anyone asked me!) BUT the military set up is not the same as most americans experience and so sets people apart. i know plenty of "army brats" who were never able to develop decent relationships with their peers because of the constant moving, etc. BUT i never complained about mccain's birthplace so lumping all "libbies" together is a waste of time.

but the fact is this obama certificate thing is nothing but a diversion and an attempt to cast doubt on the duly elected president. whether he is a good general or not probably is irrelevant since he will, like lincoln, let the military experts lead until he has more savvy in that department. so again it's the faceless "advisors" you are shadow-boxing with in that department.

there are many things i don't like about this administration and i, layman that i am, am not in a position to say "this is obama's fault" and "this is so-and-so's fault" because WE DON'T SEE THE SHOT-CALLER". that the buck stops with the top office is a cliche which flies in the face of the actual set-up, the president is not all-powerful by virtue of the way the govt is designed.

but honestly does anyone really think papers aren't checked before candidacy can be ratified?

posted August 31, 2009 01:17 AM            

Where's the Birth Certificate?
What's O'Bomber hiding?

Where's O'Bomber's medical records?
What's O'Bomber hiding?

Where's O'Bomber's university records?
What's O'Bomber hiding?

Where's O'Bomber's passport records?
What's O'bomber hiding?

Where's O'Bomber's state Senate records?
What's O'Bomber hiding?

posted August 31, 2009 08:27 AM            

Every president since Kennedy have released reams of records for public examination. Those records include educational records, birth records, medical records and military records....except for Kommander Korruption who refused to release his medical records.

O'Bomber won't even release his State Senate records from Illinois. He won't release his birth records. He won't release his medical records. He won't release his university records. He won't release his passport records.

O'Bomber remains the "Undocumented President".

What's O'Bomber hiding?

posted August 31, 2009 09:57 AM            

Fact Check: Obama's State Senate Records Are Publicly Available
November 14, 2007

FACT: FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS ARE FILED WITH THE STATE OF ILLINOIS; OBAMA HAS NO CONTROL OVER THAT INFORMATION AND VOTED TO ESTABLISH AN APPEALS PROCESS FOR DENIED REQUESTS
Freedom Of Information Requests Are Filed With The State Of Illinois; Obama As A Presidential Candidate And United States Senator Has No Control Over The Release Of Documents. Freedom of Information Act (5 ILCS 140/1 et seq.) states that "Pursuant to the fundamental philosophy of the American constitutional form of government, it is declared to be the public policy of the State of Illinois that all persons are entitled to full and complete information regarding the affairs of government and the official acts and policies of those who represent them as public officials and public employees consistent with the terms of this Act. Such access is necessary to enable the people to fulfill their duties of discussing public issues fully and freely, making informed political judgments and monitoring government to ensure that it is being conducted in the public interest." [5 ILCS 140/1 et seq]

FACT: CHICAGO TRIBUNE FOIA REQUEST FOR OBAMA'S MEMBER INITIATIVES WAS GRANTED, ANALYZED THE INFORMATION FOR AN ARTICLE ON OBAMA'S TIME IN THE STATE SENATE

Obama Said Every Single Piece Of Information And Every Document Related To His Work In State Government Has Been Kept By The State Of Illinois, Has Been Disclosed, And Is Available. When asked about the location of his Illinois State Senate Records, Obama said, "In the state senate, every single piece of information, every document related to state government was kept by the state of Illinois and has been disclosed and is available and has been gone through with a fine-toothed comb by news outlets in Illinois." [NBC, Meet the Press Transcript, 11/11/07]

Reason Foundation: Obama The Only Democrat Who Signed The Oath Of Presidential Transparency. The Reason Foundation wrote, "Meet the only three would-be chief execs who will dare to tell you how the government spends your money...The Oath of Presidential Transparency, a project spearheaded by the Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes the print and online editions of reason. Joining together three dozen diverse groups ranging from the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons to the Electronic Frontier Foundation to the voter-rights outfit Velvet Revolution, the Oath provides voters with a crystal-clear understanding of the candidates' priorities when it comes to government spending...'Every American has the right to know how the government spends their tax dollars, but for too long that information has been largely hidden from public view,' says Sen. Obama, whose role in creating FFAT can't be overstated. 'This historic law will lift the veil of secrecy in Washington and ensure that our government is transparent and accountable to the American people. And I will be proud to fully implement and enforce this law as president.'" [Reason Foundation, 8/24/07]
[*]2007: Obama Disclosed His Earmark Requests. On June 21, 2007, Obama disclosed the earmark projects that he had requested for fiscal year 2008. [Obama Release, 6/21/07]

Medical Records- and btw why would you care? He obviously is in good health....

Medical records released....here are some highlights
*Triglycerides of 44(normal under 150), cholesterol 173 (normal under 200), HDL 68 (normal over 40), and LDL 96 (normal under 130). Chem 24, urinalysis and CBC were normal, PSA was 0.6, very good. An EKG was normal.

RE: University records... and btw have you read 'W's'
Grades. The bottom line?
Columbia was not particularly distinguished, under 3.3 GPA
At Harvard Law School, Obama graduated Magna Cm Laude, which, according to the Havard Law School website, is awarded to the top 10% of Harvard Law School students.

Also at Harvard Law School, Obama was accepted as one of 85-90 Editors of the Harvard Law Review, out of an estimated 1,000 students from the 2L and 3L classes that might have sought this honor. Obama was also elected President of the Law Review, which according to a Harvard Law spokesperson is not based at all on academics, but on other measures as would occure in any club.

Why are you concerned about admissions applications? Anti affirmative action too?

posted August 31, 2009 10:26 AM            

a lot of children are born at home. where would the hospital be on that birth certificate? or the doctor's signature if there were only a midwife, as in my grandson's birth?

posted August 31, 2009 10:40 AM            

You do remember the domestic terrorist Communist bomber Bill Ayers don't you Node?

Let me refresh your memory. Bill Ayers sat on the board at the Woods Foundation with O'Bomber. Later, Bill Ayers chose O'Bomber as the front man for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, CAC. Later, O'Bomber attempted to pass the domestic terrorist bomber and communist Ayers off a just a guy from his neighborhood. Is it coming back to you now Node?

You would also be wise to not attempt to confuse issues with me. It's not O'Bomber's voting records in the the Illinois state senate which are missing.

It's O'Bomber's archival office records which are are being hidden.

OBAMA ON HIS STATE SENATE RECORDS

From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
JOHNSTON, IA -- Obama said that he didn't know where his papers from his eight years in the Illinois State House were at a press conference in Johnston, Iowa, this morning after he taped an appearance on Iowa Press. ....

“I don’t have archivists in the state senate," he said. "I don’t have the Barack Obama state senate library available to me. I do not have a whole bunch of records from those years."

Obama had been asked the question by Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times, who pressed the senator on the question, saying that she wasn’t requesting specific papers. Instead, she just wanted to know where the papers were.

“You know I’m not certain, Lynn," Obama said. "I didn’t have the resources to ensure that all this sutff was archived in some way; it could have been thrown out...Right! ... I haven’t been in the state senate now for some time. I’m not sure, Lynn. I don’t know."

O'Bomber released a one page document from his doctor. That's not the kind of medical records other candidates...and Presidents have released. I think McCain's medical records ran to more than 800 pages.

Nor should you attempt to suggest O'Bomber has released his university records...including his grade transcripts, his admissions applications or his writings from universities. Those are not released.

Btw Node, would I know you by a different screen name you've used here?

posted August 31, 2009 10:48 AM            

Different screen name? Too funny

you got nothin there too.

posted August 31, 2009 10:59 AM            

Under what other screen name(s) would I know you?

katatonic, I believe I made the proper distinction between Senate voting records...which cannot be hidden...and O'Bomber's office records which O'Bomber says were (conveniently} perhaps lost.

You do remmeber all the dust demoscats attempted to stir up over White House internal documents during the Bush administration...don't you?

I'm not going to suggest you get a life katatonic.

I am going to suggest you get off your lazy butt and do some actual reading/research.... before you shoot off your mouth.

posted May 03, 2011 10:43 PM            

from Oct 3 2001