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Eleanore
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posted September 05, 2009 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
I suppose when it comes to our wounded and dying soldiers, the boys and girls down at the AP never run out of KY.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090904/ap_on_re_us/afghan_death_ap_photo

AP picture of wounded Marine sparks debate - Yahoo! News
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Defense Secretary Robert Gates expressed disappointment Friday at news outlets that used a picture taken and distributed by The Associated Press depicting a U.S. Marine mortally wounded in combat in Afghanistan.

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Writesomething
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posted September 05, 2009 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
I have seen plenty of photos of injured/dead "nonamericans" and dont see you or anyone making a hoopla about it. I'm sure theres plenty of Iraqis who wouldn't want their kids/relatives/whatever on the newspaper stories but I guess thats the price of war and I doubt anyone would listen to their requests or care.

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Eleanore
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posted September 05, 2009 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Because you haven't seen X doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've objected just as strongly to pictures of wounded/dead Iraqis on this forum before; consider that you perhaps are not familiar with every thread on this site before you make assumptions. Either way, as sad and telling as it is to have to point out, I don't think such pictures of ANYONE should be plastered anywhere, but especially not after the family's specific request for such a small consideration.

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juniperb
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posted September 05, 2009 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Amen Eleanore. I read the article and was mortified that it went against the family`s wishs in their acute time of grief.
It is deplorable, for them and as we have stated before, anyones loved ones suffering/dying smeared across the news.

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katatonic
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posted September 05, 2009 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i wonder why you object to people knowing what OUR men are going through and being exposed to? since pictures of scads of dead iraqis don't seem to bring it home, why is it objectionable to tell the truth - OUR men are dying too?

that is a picture of someone who is no longer attached to his body. whatever your beliefs about death, why should his be in vain? is it somehow undignified or embarrassing to be seen to be human?

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juniperb
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posted September 05, 2009 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Simply because his family pleaded w/the media to not exibit their familys loss and grief.
But then again, some think personal ideologies, belief and morals are worthless so jack the family unit

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katatonic
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posted September 05, 2009 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i have no problem with his family's feelings. except i wonder that they would not consider his death to at least possibly serve to prevent that of others.

i am the last person to tell someone what they should think or feel. but personally i do not consider a corpse to be my loved one and if it prevented one more death i would be happy to grant this. that is all i am saying...how i feel and how i am perplexed by other people's attachments to an empty shell.

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juniperb
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posted September 05, 2009 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
I understand ( I did NOT see it ) that it was his dying throes not just a limp corpse.

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The picture, by AP photographer Julie Jacobson, showed Lance Cpl. Joshua "Bernie" Bernard, 21, lying on the ground with severe leg injuries after being struck by a grenade in an ambush on Aug. 14, his fellow Marines tending to him. Bernard later died of his wounds.

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katatonic
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posted September 05, 2009 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
"Jorge Ruiz of Glendale, Ariz., said he and other ex-Marines had often talked about the sanitation of war and the social implications of a lack of images showing what war is really like."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090904/ap_on_re_us/afghan_death_ap_photo


i don't think it's necessarily mercenary motives that led to this story and picture being put out...

but i guess i would have to agree that his family's wishes should be respected. tough call really. truth or emotion?

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juniperb
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posted September 06, 2009 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
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Jorge Ruiz of Glendale, Ariz., said he and other ex-Marines had often talked about the sanitation of war and the social implications of a lack of images showing what war is really like."

It is a "general thought" and doesn`t address the specific familys request.
The devil is in the details, yes?

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jwhop
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posted September 06, 2009 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Eleanore, I'm sure you've learned by now there is nothing too disgusting, too deplorable or too contemptible for leftists to use to further their leftist political agenda. That includes the leftist statist press in America and elsewhere...including the Associated Press.

The only silver lining is all this is that these self appointed guardian elitists of the "publics' right to know" are held in contempt by a large majority of Americans who to put it mildly...do not trust them.

The Pew Poll found the Associated Press is not trusted to tell readers the truth...to a greater degree than even the NY Times.

Only 21% believed all or even most of what the Times prints. But...
only 19% believe all or even most of what the AP prints as news.

They are a sorry bunch of a-holes and this episode into breach of privacy...not to mention the pain they caused the family members only serves to highlight the lengths they will go to further their political agenda.

It's also not surprising to see the AP defended by fellow traveling leftists who are on the same road.

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katatonic
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posted September 06, 2009 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
"Defense Secretary Robert Gates expressed disappointment Friday at news outlets that used a picture taken and distributed by The Associated Press depicting a U.S. Marine mortally wounded in combat in Afghanistan."

not sure why this is anything to do with leftists or rightists. it is to do with journalistic freedom vs the feelings of individuals...not exactly a partisan subject.

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posted September 06, 2009 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Jwhop... trying to pull that again? What is wrong with you?

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jwhop
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posted September 06, 2009 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
What's wrong with me acoustic?Hahaha

You're the one with multiple psychological disorders. You really should get yourself checked in for some psychological help.

I'm sure you see nothing wrong in the AP promoting their anti-war ideology. In this case, they're not only outrageously contemptible but so far across the lines as to be out of touch with the public they insist they serve.

This is part of the bunch of leftist nuts who harassed Sarah Palin and intruded on her daughters privacy for a year now...but who see nothing hypocritical in laying off O'Bomber's girls...totally, not so much as a picture.

But, it's OK for these dip wads to invade the privacy of a dying soldier, print a picture of his final moments on earth...and all against the wishes of his family.

Let's just say you're in the right "phew" acoustic....you too katatonic. Oh, and I meant to say "phew" and not "pew".


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katatonic
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posted September 06, 2009 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
"Jorge Ruiz of Glendale, Ariz., said he and other ex-Marines had often talked about the sanitation of war and the social implications of a lack of images showing what war is really like."

i am sure these ex-marines quoted are not hard-line leftists, just men who actually experienced what this story is supposed to educate us on...

what's with the multiple "phews"? have you got asthma or did you just walk up the hill in your town? you know, the 37-foot one?

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jwhop
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posted September 06, 2009 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
That soldiers privacy should not have been invaded by the press....and the family said it as well.

Those Marines you quote have nothing whatsoever to say in the matter of privacy in a family matter that has nothing to do with them. It's simply none of their business.

Now katatonic I'll bet my last dollar the press would have been outraged if photographers or nurses had snapped a picture of Peter Jennings, Bob Novak or Tim Russert as they drew their last breath...and posted the picture on youtube...or put the pictures up for sale on Ebay....so would the families and hundreds of millions of Americans across the country.

But, the American press are supreme hypocrites.

I'm waiting for the day some rich guy sics an army of private detectives on their sorry a$$es to uncover all their private matters...and posts the reports on youtube or some other venue.

The members of the leftist main stream media couldn't stand any examination of their own private lives....and it's way past time for the public to find out what kind of pukes are delivering their "news".

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katatonic
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posted September 06, 2009 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well without wanting to offend anybody - we all have feelings and private lives - soldiers on the field are not carrying on private business in their own homes or anyone else's. do you think it's fair to enlist a young boy on the romantic fantasy that he's off to see the world and defend freedom? do you think the risk of death is real to these kids? my own daughter considered joining the army to get college tuition. talk about false advertising, just leave out a few distasteful parts of the job why don't we?

what is private about being a GI? which stands for Government Issue?

just as "pirates of the caribbean" makes a romp and laughingstock of what pirates were really about, most people have NO IDEA what war is really like. it's a sad fact that pictures like that shouldn't have to be shown, people should understand without seeing them, but it's a very vague concept in most people's minds.

my apologies to the military and their wives if this sounds like an anti-military rant. it's an anti-hypocrisy rant. there are many good and intelligent and aware people in the military. and many of them are there trying to make a clean end of a bad situation, while supporting their mates as best they can.

but you don't have to be a "leftist" to be antiwar. check out the politics of the mothers in northern ireland who stood up against the fighting.

why did they? because they were in the middle of it watching the reality of war.

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posted September 06, 2009 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
I'm very sure that defending freedom is to you...a fantasy katatonic.

I seriously doubt you really believe much in liberty or freedom. No one who would vote for O'Bomber with their eyes wide open possibly could.

As for your anti-military rants, we've heard all that tripe before and it changes nothing. These anti-military rants do nothing to obscure the reality that the United States military is the most trusted institution in the United States...by everyone who is not a leftist.

Your condescending tone is getting tiresome. Our military is a professional collection of military services. Your insinuation that they join for romantic reasons is hogwash as is your contention that they have no idea they might lose their lives fighting for the foreign policies of the United States.

Your nonsense smacks of the ludicrous statements of Rangel and the traitor John Kerry that these young people have no other options and that they're stupid. That's far from the truth as studies prove our military personnel are far from uneducated and in fact they are educated beyond the average American.

As for tuition credits for military service, there's no false advertising there. Service personnel get exactly what they are offered.

The difference between military service personnel and leftists is that military personnel are willing to work for their tuition and leftists want theirs handed to them free and for nothing.

Freeloaders need to take a hike.

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katatonic
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posted September 06, 2009 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well i'm not a leftist so i'm not insulted when you talk about them as if they were gerbils. i worked my way through college and all the years since. and did my bit to keep inflation down in my own field.

you are entitled to your opinion. as i am mine. your gross misreading of my motives says more about you than it does me. once again.

but i agree this is getting tiring. you supposedly believe in free speech but you can't hack anyone who doesn't agree with you. when soldiers come home they are not all in favour of the war either. does that make them leftists?

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posted September 07, 2009 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
I would be a hell of a lot more inclined to listen to returning US military personnel about the war in which they are involved than say...listen to screeching, whining, thumb sucking, shrieking leftist cowards who have never been closer to going to war than walking past a military recruiting poster.

Your arguments are total crap. Your accusations are crap...meaning they're not true...as usual for you.

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katatonic
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posted September 08, 2009 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
"Jorge Ruiz of Glendale, Ariz., said he and other ex-Marines had often talked about the sanitation of war and the social implications of a lack of images showing what war is really like."

i love you too lambchop!

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jwhop
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posted September 08, 2009 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
What is it you don't understand about the death and picture of the last moments of life on earth for a soldier being absolutely none of these Marines business katatonic? If these Marines want their last moments on earth photographed and spread all over newspapers should they be killed...then, let them notify their families and the press.

What is it you don't understand about the right to privacy for this soldier and his family members who made their wishes well known to the Associated Press.

Just between you and me katatonic, I've had more than enough of the pukes in the main stream media who believe they are somehow privileged characters and can do nothing wrong.

If I were a family member of this dead soldier, I'd demand the AP show me the release signed by this soldier or someone in my family..to release this photo into the newspapers.

If they don't have it...and they don't, I'd sue the hell out of the Associated Press. They're making a commercial use of his photo.

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