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Eleanore
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posted September 30, 2009 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090929/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_sitter_backlash_mich


State to mom: Stop baby-sitting neighbors' kids

By JAMES PRICHARD, Associated Press Writer James Prichard, Associated Press Writer – Tue Sep 29, 7:23 pm ET
IRVING TOWNSHIP, Mich. – Each day before the school bus comes to pick up the neighborhood's children, Lisa Snyder did a favor for three of her fellow moms, welcoming their children into her home for about an hour before they left for school.

Regulators who oversee child care, however, don't see it as charity. Days after the start of the new school year, Snyder received a letter from the Michigan Department of Human Services warning her that if she continued, she'd be violating a law aimed at the operators of unlicensed day care centers.

"I was freaked out. I was blown away," she said. "I got on the phone immediately, called my husband, then I called all the girls" — that is, the mothers whose kids she watches — "every one of them."

Snyder's predicament has led to a debate in Michigan about whether a law that says no one may care for unrelated children in their home for more than four weeks each calendar year unless they are licensed day-care providers needs to be changed. It also has irked parents who say they depend on such friendly offers to help them balance work and family.

On Tuesday, agency Director Ismael Ahmed said good neighbors should be allowed to help each other ensure their children are safe. Gov. Jennifer Granholm instructed Ahmed to work with the state Legislature to change the law, he said.

"Being a good neighbor means helping your neighbors who are in need," Ahmed said in a written statement. "This could be as simple as providing a cup of sugar, monitoring their house while they're on vacation or making sure their children are safe while they wait for the school bus."

Snyder learned that the agency was responding to a neighbor's complaint.

Granholm spokeswoman Liz Boyd said the agency was following standard procedure in its response. "But we feel this (law) really gets in the way of common sense," Boyd said.

"We want to protect kids, but the law needs to be reasonable," she said. "When the governor learned of this, she acted quickly and called the director personally to ask him to intervene."

State Rep. Brian Calley, R-Portland, said he was working to draft legislation that would exempt situations like Snyder's from coverage under Michigan's current day care regulations.

The bill will make it clear that people who aren't in business as day care providers don't need to be licensed, Calley said.

"These are just kids that wait for the bus every morning," he said. "This is not a day care."

Snyder, 35, lives in a rural subdivision in Barry County's Irving Township about 25 miles southeast of Grand Rapids. Her tidy, comfortable three-bedroom home is a designated school bus stop. The three neighbor children she watched — plus Snyder's first-grader, Grace — attend school about six miles away in Middleville.

Snyder said she started watching the other children this school year to help her friends; they often baby-sit for each other during evenings and weekends.

After receiving the state agency's letter, she said she called the agency and tried to explain that she wasn't running a day care center or accepting money from her friends.

Under state law, no one may care for unrelated children in their home for more than four weeks each calendar year unless they are licensed day-care providers. Snyder said she stopped watching the other children immediately after receiving the letter, which was well within the four-week period.

"I've lived in this community for 35 years and everyone I know has done some form of this," said Francie Brummel, 42, who would drop off her second-grade son, Colson, before heading to her job as deputy treasurer of the nearby city of Hastings.

Other moms say they regularly deal with similar situations.

Amy Cowan, 34, of Grosse Pointe Farms, a Detroit suburb, said she often takes turns with her sister, neighbor and friend watching each other's children.

"The worst part of this whole thing, with the state of the economy ... two parents have to work," said Cowan, a corporate sales representative with a 5-year-old son and 11-month-old daughter. "When you throw in the fact that the state is getting involved, it gives women a hard time for going back to work.

"I applaud the lady who takes in her neighbors' kids while they're waiting for the bus. She's enabling her peers to go to work and get a paycheck. The state should be thankful for that."

Amy Maciaszek, 42, of McHenry, Ill., who works in direct sales, said she believes the state agency was "trying to be overprotective."

"I think it does take a village and that's the best way," said Maciaszek, who has a 6-year-old boy and twin 3-year-old daughters. "Unfortunately you do have to be careful about that. These mothers are trying to do the right thing."

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Associated Press writers Randi Goldberg Berris and David Runk in Detroit and Kathy Barks Hoffman in Lansing, Mich., contributed to this report.

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Eleanore
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posted September 30, 2009 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
This kind of thing really ticks me off. Living on a military base, we have regulations that would make most people rip their hair out but even they don't go that far. Why can't you and your trusted friends help each other out when it comes to your kids? This is asinine at best.

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posted September 30, 2009 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
yeah. it is rediculas. michigan enforces some stupid laws. but then again, so does new york, apparently swine flu vaccinations are mandatory or lose your job. thank god i don't have to make that choice. even with kids vaccinations you can sign a waiver and opt out! not having a choice sucks.

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posted September 30, 2009 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
This is happening in Britain too, it's absolute ******* nonsense. These two police officers who jobshare couldn't legally look after each others children. Anybody not "close family" has to register with Ofsted, the regulating body for education, as a registered childminder. I am so thoroughly sick and tired of all this unnecessary bureaucracy in our daily lives. http://www.cypnow.co.uk/news/ByDiscipline/Childcare-and-Early-Years/941557/Ofsted-calls-ministers-babysitting-clarification/

It may mean I couldn't legally look after my best friend's kids.
Just parents trying to get on, god knows it's hard enough already.

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posted September 30, 2009 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
how do the authorities find out about such things? since when do they have the right to tell parents where they can leave their kids? this is bogus and needs to get thrown out, period.

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posted September 30, 2009 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
they are trying to change the legislation. it is beyond rediculas.

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posted September 30, 2009 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
parental rights
http://www.parentalrights.org/

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posted September 30, 2009 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
dee that looks like parents rights' versus children's rights...i couldn't find the link to the actual "convention" document that sets out what the un says are kids' rights...

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posted October 01, 2009 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

kids' rights????

hahahahaha

in my parents' household,I had no rights!


Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

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Dee
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posted October 01, 2009 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
I am concerned in parents rights over government rights. Not children verses parents

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posted October 01, 2009 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={C3AC86B6-6EEF-4E61-A192-527AAE632457}

in 2000, when the State of Washington gave any person the ability to override a good parent’s decision about visitation by simply claiming that it would be “best” for children to allow the third-party to have visitation rights, in the Supreme Court:

· There were six separate opinions and none reached a five-vote majority

· Justice Thomas was the only Justice to clearly state that parental rights receive the same high legal standard of protection as other fundamental rights

· Justice Scalia held that parents have no constitutionally protected rights whatsoever

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posted October 02, 2009 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i do understand where you're coming from, and it isn't good to let the state have too much control over kids and families. i just noticed those points reading the article.

there was reason to give kids rights, as many parents think it is their right to treat their children however they please with no reflection on the outcome or even the feelings of the child. i agree with gibran that we are their stewards not their owners.

and the potential is in the law to create some very bad mistakes and punish parents for crimes never committed, too.

but the examples given in the link were pretty reasonable i thought, and i detected a hint of religious paranoia - and think that ONE of the reasons the state gets involved is religious nuts who traumatized their kids.

it's a tricky question, like most governmental topics, the balance between freedom and protection/regulation is always delicate at best.

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posted October 02, 2009 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
There are so many abuses from the state taking kids from their families
http://fightcps.com/

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posted October 12, 2009 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
jwhop!!

there are a few leftist commie baastards in here clearly not towing the socialist line.

strange ...

just a heads up

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