posted October 21, 2009 04:09 PM         

If so, please show where the US has benefited from Iraq's oil. Show all the oil companies of the world who now have contracts with the Iraqi Oil Ministry. We don't even use Iraq's oil for our military equipment there. Gasoline, Diesel, jet fuel and lubricating products are trucked in from Kuwait.

Another thing katatonic. I did a study and posted it here which showed that if every drop of Iraq's annual production of oil was taken...for nothing, from Iraq every year and sold on the open market it would take the US almost 20 years just to cover the costs of liberating those 25,000,000 Iraqi citizens.

To conspiracy theorists there always has to be a different reason for something happening than the stated reason.

You could read all about the stated reason by reading the Joint Resolution of Congress authorizing the use of military force to remove Saddam.

posted October 21, 2009 07:21 PM         

in fact you might try reading the opening post before you go off into tiradeland. i'm not talking about oil at all!

i don't think i mentioned conspiracy anywhere...but since those tablets talk about ET's coming down and giving us civilization, well i CAN think of some reasons those in power would not want the general public to know about them, can't you?

and before you start on conspiracy theorists, please look in the mirror. you are the one who is convinced that obama is part of the SOCIALIST PLAN to destroy america and enslave us all...

posted October 21, 2009 11:42 PM         

We may not know everything, but we do think about things.

posted October 21, 2009 11:44 PM         

Ancient artefacts that pre-date the Indigenous people have been found and destroyed!!!

posted October 22, 2009 11:54 AM         

I ask this in all sincerity ... why take the leap from "heaven" and "divine" to ET's?

posted October 22, 2009 06:42 PM         

in any case it seems pretty apparent that at some time in the past SOMEONE or THING came out of the sky and taught humans things...the bible talks about them too.

i don't have any real coherent theory about this. but it does pique my interest.

once again i am not interested in getting into any discussions about the "oil motive" for iraq. and of course it's possible that it was complete coincidence that we chose to invade and desecrate the "cradle of civilization". that doesn't mean it's not interesting or possible.

posted October 22, 2009 08:10 PM         

aww man. i was counting on you!

but it does pique my interest.

that's understandable. it's a fun topic.

the biblical stories ... yes, i think i know what you mean. it's a matter of orientation maybe.

i think it's somewhat how the fundementalist Christians read about Jesus coming 'from the clouds' and so figure he's going to float gently to the earth out of the nearest nimbostratus. it's just too literal an interpretation for me.

i do think we're being prepped to believe in aliens, which, to me, is worrisome. i never appreciate being prepped. )

anyway, i'm not looking to argue. just wanted your thoughts.

posted October 22, 2009 10:24 PM         

and i am also highly suspicious of the david icke line, though a lot of his research makes sense it is all a little too pat and paranoid for me.

so i guess what i'm saying is i find it very believable that we are descended in some way from creatures from somewhere else. and that history is older than the official version yet knows (or admits).

posted October 22, 2009 11:07 PM         

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i have a friend who worked as a remote viewer out of washington who swears that many people there have known at least since the first moonwalk that the astronauts DID encounter at least ET craft on that first visit.

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You know, I'm convinced that certain powers that be believe wholeheartedly that they're in contact with advanced alien races.

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i do find it almost impossible to believe the official line that HAS been in place that no known intelligent life has been here so far...

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posted October 23, 2009 07:35 AM         

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Hunt Oil Kurdistan

A Congressional committee concluded in early July, 2008, that Hunt Oil, an oil company with close ties to President Bush, was encouraged by the State Department to sign deals with the government of Kurdistan, despite strong opposition from Iraq's central government. Hunt Oil was the first company to sign a deal with Kurdistan, and did so before a comprehensive oil plan for Iraq had been decided upon in Baghdad.The New York Times: Panel Questions State Dept. Role in Iraq Oil Deal (July 3, 2008)1

Fast Facts

*** Hunt Oil CEO: Ray L. Hunt

*** Ray L. Hunt also on board of HalliburtonThe Washington Post: Bush Officials Condoned Regional Iraqi Oil Deal (July 3, 2008)2

*** Kurdistan passed oil and gas law in August, 2008

*** Date deal signed: September, 2008

*** U.S. State Department claims it tried to discourage dealThe Washington Post: Bush Officials Condoned Regional Iraqi Oil Deal (July 3, 2008)2

*** After deal completed, other oil companies signed deals with Kurdish governmentThe Washington Post: Bush Officials Condoned Regional Iraqi Oil Deal (July 3, 2008)2

*** President Bush denies knowing anything about dealThe Washington Post: Bush Officials Condoned Regional Iraqi Oil Deal (July 3, 2008)2

Hunt Oil's Deal

According to House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, led by Henry Waxman, the Bush administration allowed the oil deal to proceed despite concerns that it could undermine efforts by the Iraqi government to craft a comprehensive oil resources plan for the struggling nation.The New York Times: Panel Questions State Dept. Role in Iraq Oil Deal (July 3, 2008)1 Ray L. Hunt, Hunt Oil's chief executive, is a member of President Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and a key fundraiser for the Republican Party.The Washington Post: Bush Officials Condoned Regional Iraqi Oil Deal (July 3, 2008)2

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posted October 23, 2009 07:48 AM         

I am spiritual, yet I love science. I read the Bible years ago, but felt more spiritual in prayer, meditation and reflection.

Living in an age of technology and education, has thrown all possibilities and probabilities my way, in terms of searching for the Truth.

If I lived 100 years ago, I would never have thought of anything like television, computers or mobile phones, let alone the idea of a living entity walking on the moon.

I feel open enough to 'take on' any information on evidence on space travellers.

I wonder if Tom Cruise is onto something about aliens

posted October 26, 2009 12:10 PM         

The Kurds...in northern Iraq have every right to sign oil deals...exploration, drilling, pumping, distribution and oil sales to any company they decide to do business with.

The fact the Iraqi Constitution leaves large parts of Iraq under LOCAL control..federalism.. makes that possible. The fact the central government wanted the oil fields of northern Iraq as part of a central government scheme and control is irrelevant.

Now, here's the truth. Neither Bush or Cheney have any financial interest in Hunt Oil company or Haliburton. None whatsoever.

It's a natural occurrence that oil company executives sit on boards of other oil companies or oil service companies...to give advice and counsel. The same is true in other parts of the private sector.

Of course, you could read the Joint Resolution of Congress which authorized the use of military force against Saddam Hussein. In that Joint Resolution of Congress the reasons for doing so are laid out clearly.

We had the same crappy misinformation spewed about removing the Taliban...which gave shelter to al-Qaeda. al-Qaeda, the terrorist group which killed about 3,000 civilians, mostly Americans on 9/11.

The drivel floated by leftists then was that Bush wanted war with Afghanistan...on behalf of Atlantic Richfield Oil company which wanted to build an oil pipeline across Afghanistan.