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katatonic
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posted June 18, 2010 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well if the oil volcano in the gulf continues long enough the ocean, our main source of oxygen, and thermal balancer, will cease to provide those functions and the global warmers will be proven to have been prophets. which could get pretty ugly with the conspiracy crowd claiming it was intentional.

and no, i don't believe it WAS intentional, though i do believe the corner-cutting that caused it was...they just thought their luck would hold out indefinitely. but that's for another thread.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 18, 2010 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Good point. One made in a different way at RealClimate as well if you go to their homepage.

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jwhop
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posted June 19, 2010 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Hahaha

The only climate scientists studing the climate are those who are exposing the fraud, hoax and scam of man made global warming. They're a lot more worried about global cooling than they are about global warming.

The crackpot so called scientists of the man made global warming religion are busy falsifying data, hiding data, producing phony documents, refusing FIOA requests for their data and are generally engaged in a CYA operation. Crackpot so called scientists like Phil Jones of East Anglia University, Jim Mann who is attempting to fight off the Attorney General of Virginia and Jim Hansen of NASA who falsified temperature data by relabeling temperature data from "September" to "October" to produce one of the hottest "Octobers" in recorded history.

In Britain, Algore's global warming movie...An Inconvenient Truth was banned by the Court as PROPAGANDA.

In America, a man made global warming book has been removed from a school district for major factual errors and misrepresentations...and Leonardo DiCaprio's global warming movie is banned from being shown in the district.

On the main front, the entire crackpot theory of man made global warming is destroyed by the application of only one fact...among the many.

Rising temperatures CAUSE rising levels of carbon dioxide in earth's atmosphere about 800 years later.

That's really all anyone needs to know to drive a stake through the heart of the crackpot scientists man made global warming hoax.

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posted June 20, 2010 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
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The only climate scientists studing the climate are those who are exposing the fraud, hoax and scam of man made global warming.

And who would those be? Who are they employed by?

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refusing FIOA requests

It continues to disturb me that you make this obviously false claim. For believing yourself a stickler of precise speech, this is a major faux pas.

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On the main front, the entire crackpot theory of man made global warming is destroyed by the application of only one fact...among the many.

Rising temperatures CAUSE rising levels of carbon dioxide in earth's atmosphere about 800 years later.

That's really all anyone needs to know to drive a stake through the heart of the crackpot scientists man made global warming hoax.


We've talked about this, Jwhop. It doesn't disprove global warming.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11659-climate-myths-ice-cores-show-cosub2sub-increases-lag-behind-temperature-rises-disproving-the-link-to-global-warming.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm

A quick google search of "CO2 lag" will provide anyone with plenty of information to corroborate what the vast majority of scientists believe.

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posted June 21, 2010 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Imbecile.

Any casual search of the Internet would have produced numerous articles attesting to the fact the crackpot so called scientists of the man made global warming religion have refused to honor FOIA requests...in violation of US and British LAW.

How far gone must one be to become so careless as to not even attempt to find out if what they're saying is true...and then pose as a reasonable, rational, logical person and expect to ever again be believed?

"refusing FIOA requests
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It continues to disturb me that you make this obviously false claim. For believing yourself a stickler of precise speech, this is a major faux pas....acoustic"

My personal preference for dealing with people like this would be to place a brand on their foreheads..."Warning, Idiot". That way, no logical person would waste their time attempting to engage them in conversation in subject matter which is beyond their intellectual capacity to understand.

Search query:

Climate scientists refuse to honor FOIA requests

"First search result"

"Climate Gate" Development: CEI Files Notice of Intent to Sue NASA
By Chris Horner on 11.24.09 @ 9:46AM

Today, on behalf of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, I filed three Notices of Intent to File Suit against NASA and its Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), for those bodies' refusal - for nearly three years - to provide documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

The information sought is directly relevant to the exploding "ClimateGate" scandal revealing document destruction, coordinated efforts in the U.S. and UK to avoid complying with both countries' freedom of information laws, and apparent and widespread intent to defraud at the highest levels of international climate science bodies. Numerous informed commenters had alleged such behavior for years, all of which appears to be affirmed by leaked emails, computer codes and other data from the Climatic Research Unit of the UK's East Anglia University.

All of that material and that sought for years by CEI go to the heart of the scientific claims and campaign underpinning the Kyoto Protocol, its planned successor treaty, "cap-and-trade" legislation and the EPA's threatened regulatory campaign to impose similar measures through the back door.

CEI sought the following documents, among others, NASA's failure to provide which within thirty days will prompt CEI to file suit in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia:

- internal discussions about NASA's quiet correction of its false historical U.S. temperature records after two Canadian researchers discovered a key statistical error, specifically discussion about whether and why to correct certain records, how to do so, the impact or wisdom or potential (or real) fallout therefrom or reaction to doing so (requested August 2007);

- internal discussions relating to the emails sent to James Hansen and/or Reto A. Ruedy from Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre calling their attention to the errors in NASA/GISS online temperature data (August 2007);

- those relating to the content, importance or propriety of workday-hour posts or entries by GISS/NASA employee Gavin A. Schmidt on the weblog or "blog" RealClimate, which is owned by the advocacy Environmental Media Services and was started as an effort to defend the debunked "Hockey Stick" that is so central to the CRU files. RealClimate.org is implicated in the leaked files, expressly offered as a tool to be used "in any way you think would be helpful" to a certain advocacy campaign, including an assertion of Schmidt's active involvement in, e.g., delaying and/or screening out unhelpful input by "skeptics" attempting to comment on claims made on the website. ***NOTE, THIS IS THE WEBSITE, REALCLIMATE, WHICH A MEMBER HERE ATTEMPTED TO USE TO DISCREDIT REAL CLIMATE SCIENTISTS.

This and the related political activism engaged in are inappropriate behavior for a taxpayer-funded employee, particularly on taxpayer time. These documents were requested in January 2007 and NASA/GISS have refused to date to comply with their legal obligation to produce responsive documents.
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/11/24/climate-gate-development-cei-f


Search query:

CRU refuses FOIA requests

"Number 1 search result"

CRU Refuses FOI Request
November 21, 2009
by Steve McIntyre

Given the tumultuous events of the past few days, the receipt of yet another refusal to provide station data pursuant to an FOI request may seem a little uneventful. But the chronology of this most recent refusal is, to say the least, interesting.
In late July 2009, I appealed CRUfs decision not to provide then current station data, sending a follow-up letter on Sept 2, 2009, pointing out the inconsistency between their claims to be protecting confidentiality agreements dating back to the 1980s and their delivery of station data to the US Department of Energy in the early 1990s and posting on their website of station data versions in 1996 and 2003.

On Nov 18, 2009, I received the letter attached below from Jonathan Colam-French, Director of Information Services of UEA, turning down my appeal. The letter is dated Nov. 13, 2009. In the letter refusing the appeal, Colam-French says that he consulted a file on the matter.

Now consider the following chronology.

On Nov 17, 2009 at 9.57 pm occurred the first public notice of the 63 MB CRU file entitled gFOIA.ziph came at Jeff Idfs blog by a poster called gFOIAh, who stated:

We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps.

We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents. Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it.

The file contained emails up to and including Nov 12, 2009 (the most recent is 1258053464.txt) the day prior to the date on the letter refusing the appeal.

Housekeeping emails are absent from the file. In addition, the file contains statements by Jones that he had deleted loads of emailsh (1228330629.txt) and a request from Jones to Mann to delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4, noting that similar requests were being made to Briffa, Wahl and Ammann (1212073451.txt).

http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/test/

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Lara
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posted June 24, 2010 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
So true Jwhop, every word so true... funny cos i was watching Ice Age2 today

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jwhop
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posted June 24, 2010 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Well Lara, I haven't seen Ice Age 2 but, we're due...according to the climate records going back more than half a million years.

When it comes, it's not going to be pretty.

Funny as this may seem, one of the crackpots who bloviates about man made global warming...name of Jim Hansen of NASA...was running around like Chicken Little warning of the coming Ice Age...back in the 1970s.

For some people the sky must always be falling and they're most unhappy when there's not a catastrophe..or imagined catastrophe about which to bloviate...and from which they can save us...if only we'll hand over the keys to the money vaults.

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Lara
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posted June 25, 2010 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
LOL i dig Jwhop!

BTW, what do you think of Egypt and damascus starting a water war within 5 years?

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jwhop
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posted June 25, 2010 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
"what do you think of Egypt and damascus starting a water war within 5 years?"

I haven't heard anything about it Lara.

What's the deal?

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Lara
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posted June 26, 2010 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
just a feeling... Egypt and Damascus have major water issues (the nile). Israel will step in to support Egypt and then US/UK will have to get involved to hold Israel's hand.
Ethiopia and Egypt have been disputing for years over access to The Nile.

ha! I found this article written just today.... go figure.
http://irinnews.org/InDepthMain.aspx?InDepthId=13&ReportId=61029

WATER is the new oil. WATER scarcity the new war.

Obviously, Israel/Iran/USA is also about to hit our screens.

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