posted March 17, 2010 11:50 AM            

Jwhop,

Nobody in this forum is a moron.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 17, 2010 12:19 PM            

Further, O'Bomber attempted to set a deadline for passage of O'BomberCare as last April..which then slipped to June last year...which then slipped to September last year...which then slipped to December last year...which then slipped to his so called State of the Union address of Congress this year. At every stage of slippage there was/were the bill(s) with provisions being added or deleted to the point no one knew...except the White House, Pee-Lousy, Reid, the Unions and some other insiders who knew but Congressional members did not know and still don't know everything which is in the bill(s) they're having their arms twisted to vote for.

These Progressives have used lying, they've used outright bribes, manipulation of CBO data and every other scheme to pass the worst bill ever to be proposed by a Congress of the United States...and at every stage, they've attempted to ram their nonsense down the throats of the American people who reject O'BomberCare.

Now, the House is set to "Deem" the Senate bill as "passed"...without House members having to actually vote on the Senate bill. They think demoscats will be able to go back to their districts and claim they never voted for the Senate bill and avoid the wrath of their constituents.

They're going to get their sorry Progressive as$es annihilated on November 2.

posted March 17, 2010 12:51 PM            

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on another front i here the texas school board is planning to remove jefferson from the history lessons...now THAT is progressive. no one else has thought of that one yet!!

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posted March 17, 2010 02:08 PM            

There's a logical confusion on your part, which is that anything to do with Marx must result in a murderous Communist regime. This isn't born out by the facts. Not at all. As you correctly pointed out that two planks of Marx's Communist Manifesto were enacted in our own country, and have become longstanding institutions. Nothing happened. It didn't cause anyone to become murderous. It didn't make people commune more. It didn't cause people to feel their civil liberties are being infringed upon unduly. The Supreme Court didn't rule these things unconstitutional. As such the notion that anything dealing with Marx must be wrong is logically unfounded. There's no logical basis for such thinking.

Let's also do away with the notion that if anything bears any resemblance to Marx, that it must therefore be "Marxist." Marx didn't lay out detailed plans of how any nation should implement his philosophies. Nations that you would consider to have taken up Marxism have all decided upon enacting their policies without input from Marx, especially our nation. This notion that anything remotely similar to something Marx might endorse is akin to saying that any person exhibiting a part of the Christian moral code must therefore be Christian. It's confused, irrational thinking. An atheist can exhibit a bit of the Christian moral code just fine without believing in God. As such, Marx is bogus boogey man. Any rational human can understand this very simple concept. The ideas Marx articulated would have been articulated through any number of people in his absense, because obviously these types of social ideas make sense to massive numbers of people all over the world.

The definition of red herring should be: See Jwhop.

Now, regarding your story. I said I wasn't interested in any more creative writing. I was interested in facts. Where are the facts of this cloak and dagger plot by the Progressives? Where's the evidence that they relabeled themselves only to emerge later? There isn't any, is there? Yeah, that's what I thought. Modern day Progressives, if they have any sense of history are merely harkening back to the Progressives of old who believed in individual liberty, and responsible business regulation.

Node, you're not being dramatic. There's a possibility you're overstating the numbers perhaps, but otherwise you're right.

Kat, you're right as well. The people did vote for this.

posted March 17, 2010 02:52 PM            

i read about 500 pages a week minimum and i don't devote as much time as i would like to it. that would take...lets see...4 weeks to read 2000 pages, so they should have finished it about 10 months ago!! subsequent changes would be easily assimilated. in any case if speedreading is not part of a congressional member's repertoire i would think it highly advisable that they learn it soon...thus the 2000 pages could be read in a week with better comprehension than most normal readers.

deadlines were set in order to make sure people didn't put it on the back burner, as explained some time ago "in dc without a deadline nothing gets done". obviously in an effort NOT to ram it down anyone's throats, plenty of time for discussion and revision has been allowed.

posted March 17, 2010 03:00 PM            

Btw, Thomas Jefferson is labeled a Deist. One who believes there is a supreme creator who, after his creation took no further interest in his creation.

That hardly squares with Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence and most surely doesn't square with the history of Jefferson attending church services in the chambers of the House of Representative almost every Sunday of his 2 term Presidency.

posted March 18, 2010 12:37 AM            

Our boyo Mr Wilson is quite interesting:

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The Sedition Act of 1918 was an Act of the United States Congress signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on May 16, 1918.[1] It forbade the use of "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, its flag, or its armed forces or that caused others to view the American government or its institutions with contempt. The act also allowed the Postmaster General to refuse to deliver mail that met those same standards for punishable speech or opinion. It applied only to times "when the United States is in war."[2] It was repealed on December 13, 1920.[3]

Though the legislation enacted in 1918 is commonly called the Sedition Act, it was actually a set of amendments to the Espionage Act.[4] Therefore many studies of the Espionage Act and the Sedition Act find it difficult to report about the two "acts" separately. For example, one historian reports that "some fifteen hundred prosecutions were carried out under the Espionage and Sedition Acts, resulting in more than a thousand convictions.[5] Court decisions do not use the shorthand term Sedition Act, but the correct legal term for the law, the Espionage Act, whether as originally enacted or as amended in 1918.

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I was looking for the dastardly progressive moniker. Can't find it. Though wiki has been outed for tampering many times I don't think Mr. Wilson being a Democrat and an intellectual of the Progressive era is one of them.

Something or other had me type ~sedition~ into wiki....out pops Wilson's 1918 act like a magic 8 ball.

If as an amendment it were not repealed there are a whole lot of people that the Post Master General should stamp Do Not Deliver

And since there really wasn't a definitive thread started..it being like all foggy and stuff I do not feel any part has been

off topic

sedition act

posted March 18, 2010 10:50 AM            

however, jwhop, it was you who RETURNED TO THAT sideline and developed on it AFTER i had forgotten it. so another kettle calling the pot black!

a separate topic on texas and jefferson coming to these pages soon!

posted December 03, 2011 01:31 PM            

It may have been way too foggy in LeftistLand to foresee the election debacle for Socialist demoscats coming...but not in the rest of America.

Socialists...including Marxists, Maoists, Stalinists, Progressives and others with their lips glued to the ass of the 5th rate thinker of the 19th Century...Karl Marx have been operating behind enemy lines in Capitalist societies for more than a century.

The problem for these infiltrators is that at least in America, voters are being clued in by their rhetoric and their nonsense firmly rejected.

With the worst track record of governance in US history, O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in Congress are going to crank up the fog machine and try to run away from their records.

Too late. We already know who they are...and what they are.

December 3, 2011
Obama 'behind enemy lines'
Ed Lasky

A nagging fear that many have had about President Obama is moving closer to the mainstream, as evidence accumulates.

George Will plucks a key sentence from Barack Obama's "Dreams From My Father" that encapsulates Obama's philosophy and guiding principle behind his policies

Barack Obama had written that during his brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like "a spy behind enemy lines."

Apparently it took only a brief exposure to the real world of free enterprise to make him feel business was the enemy. He considered himself a "spy" against this enemy. A spy wants to do harm against the "enemy."

Ipso facto: vast new regulations, job-killing ObamaCare, class warfare rhetoric, end runs around Congress to bolster the power of unions, environmental rules that will cripple many businesses with high electricity costs (recall his boast that his Presidency would necessarily lead to high "electricity prices" and that those who build coal mines and coal-fired power plants would face bankruptcy), huge new tax increases, and a myriad of other measures and executive actions that have derailed job growth in America. The class warfare rhetoric has just made this agenda even clearer.

Stephanie Gutmann of the Telegraph found that line of interest in her column from March 1st, 2009 and wrote about business journalist's Larry Kudlow reaction to that line in "Does Barack Obama hate free enterprise":

Kudlow, once a budget guy in the Reagan administration, had a huge head of steam up about what he calls President Obama's "declaration of war on investors, entrepreneurs, small businesses, large corporations, and private-equity and venture-capital funds."

Gutmann wrote -- almost three years ago, mind you -- that she did not know yet whether that passage in Obama's book was highly significant or not but that she'd throw it into her "Does the President hate free enterprise?" file.

That file must be bulging now; three years out we know the answer.

Barack Obama hates free enterprise. He and the First Lady have derided those who work for businesses as compared to those who work for the government -- without recognizing that those who work in the "real world" pay the salaries of those who work for government bureaucracies.

posted December 03, 2011 03:31 PM            

the last such generation included the "greatest generation" - GIs, heroes, nationbuilders...and nazis.

the old way that you want to go back to is GONE already, jwhop, flopping around for a last gasp.

posted December 03, 2011 03:51 PM            

How dare you compare GI's and other military heroes with Nazis! katatonic.

Only in Socialist covens would the Socialist Nazis be considered as the greatest anything...except murdering bast@rds; right along with the rest of the Socialist murdering bast@ards Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Castro, Saddam and the murdering father and son tag team of North Korea.

If the unwashed, illiterate, untutored, dopers, rapists, anarchists and motley assortment of Communists, Socialists, Progressives and other America haters want to be considered the "new greatest generation", let them take a bath, get a haircut, get a job...or pick up an M-16 and defend America.

Let them become the "new greatest generation" the old fashioned way; BY EARNING IT!

posted December 03, 2011 07:51 PM            

i said they were from the same generation. hitler, of course, was born before the GI lot, but many on the other side were also born at the same time. the implication being that these will be determined, to the point of heroism, and willing to "give their all" for what they believe they HAVE to do.

capiche?

posted December 05, 2011 10:25 AM            

"i said they were from the same generation"...katatonic

Me thinketh you speak with forked tongue katatonic.

The phrase..."greatest generation" had nothing whatsoever to do with Europe or the rest of the world at large. Nothing whatsoever to do with the murdering Socialist dictators Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

The term.."Greatest Generation" refers to Americans who grew up during the Great Depression, overcame adversity and went to war to kick Hitler's and Mussolini's as$es...as well as Tojo's and the Emperor Hirohito's....which they did!

They did all that while your American Socialist/Communist comrades where cheering Hitler...even as Hitler was bombing London and launching V-1 and V-2 rockets against civilian targets in Britain and setting London on fire.

I don't "know" anyone...and I don't want to "know" anyone who would include the murdering Socialist dictator, Hitler in the "Greatest Generation".