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Topic: Overpopulation is a myth
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listenstotrees
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From: the 5th dimension
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posted April 06, 2010 02:14 AM
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBS6f-JVvTY
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listenstotrees
Knowflake Posts: 955
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posted April 06, 2010 02:15 AM
John Lennon's opinion about overpopulation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yRh5NNiFG0 Bill Gates admits vaccines are used for depopulation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqAGasF6Hfo
Quote: "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent" IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 06, 2010 12:49 PM
they were so cute  and smart too...however in 1980 there were only 4 billion people, now almost twice as many. i do believe it is true that things will balance out, and that some of us will be emigrating to space...but will it happen soon enough? at the rate the population is expanding we will have another 7 billion by 2020...how many is too many??still exporting some of the food going to waste has always been and still is the OBVIOUS solution to a lot of starvation on the planet. it is too true that we have enough food for everyone still and that "distractions" - COSTLY distractions - like permanent war and the billions it costs to perpetuate are what is really wrong with the "balance" on earth...and the garbage no one seems to be willing to deal with sensibly!! IP: Logged |
listenstotrees
Knowflake Posts: 955
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posted April 06, 2010 02:05 PM
I wonder if what the video said is true...that you could fit every family on the planet into the state of Texas with each one having a decent sized house and garden to themselves.IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 1323
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted April 06, 2010 03:49 PM
Like most new age delusions, providing suitable housing...and personal garden space for the entire population of the earth in a space the size of Texas...is utter BS.Texas contains a land area of 268,601 square miles. There's 7,471,411,200 square feet in 268,601 square miles. If every building lot was a very modest 50 feet wide by 60 feet deep, (3,000sq ft.)....enough for a very modest 1200 square foot home of 3 bedrooms and 2 baths with enough lot room left over for a very modest garden then... you could build 2,490,470 homes in Texas. That's 2 million, 490 thousand, 470 homes IF There were no commercial shops, no city buildings, no roads, no lakes, no rivers, no utility plants...and NO nothing else whatsoever.  Welcome to O'Bomberville.  "at the rate the population is expanding we will have another 7 billion by 2020" Ummm, where did this number come from? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 06, 2010 06:25 PM
and who thinks anyone is planning to put the global population in housing in texas? this is what we call a hypothetical POSSIBILITY - an attempt to illustrate that the world is not overpopulated as the "experts" would have you believe...they want us to believe in scarcity.i guess someone did not watch much if any of it? 2020 was a typo should have been 2050, since we have just nearly doubled our population over a 30 year period . IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 1323
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted April 06, 2010 07:08 PM
Why would anyone put forth a hypothetical They KNOW is based on a false premise? Or, was it not known? The date 2020 is a typo? How about an additional 7 billion earthlings by 2050 being BUNK? The current population is estimated by both the US census and the United Nations as being 6.8 billion. An additional 7 billion as you stated would bring the total just short of 14 billion. Projected total population of earth is expected to be 9 billion by 2040 or 2050 depending on whose projections are used and the UN projects 9 billion by 2050.
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katatonic
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posted April 06, 2010 08:34 PM
just me doing math. [and by the way thanks for working out the square footage, jwhop, proves they were definitely off a bit!!]if there were 4 billion (app) in 1980 (30 years ago) and there are 7 billion (app) now, that is nearly doubling our count in the last 30 years. presuming people keep breeding at approximately the same rate one would expect to see another nearly doubled total in the next 30-40 years...in fact 1.75 x 6.8 billion = ONLY 11.9 billion... of course anything could happen to change that. sterilization by vaccine, disease, war, all keep the count down SOMEWHAT, but those have all been going on in the LAST 30 years as well...although sterilization has been mostly voluntary since the 60's. not taking into account the eugenic attempts of some people, which was more widespread than anyone would like to think. i think the estimate that you could put everyone in a house and garden in texas was an attempt to show how NOT OVERPOPULATED we actually are in terms of space on earth. but it's not just the space we take up that counts, is it? it's the food, trees, roads, factories, etc etc that we need to keep us alive as well, which takes in a much larger portion of the globe. i don't much reckon on a master plan and houses built by central planners for everyone either. but neither do i want to see anyone who needs shelter going without... bucky fuller pointed out that if we stopped spending the lion's share of our money on war and war machines, and if we recycled the military equipment no longer in use, we would never need to mine another ounce of metal!! quite a thought, isn't it? for the record i didn't like his idea of putting cities in domes either, or of planning it all out for the plebs, not my style...but he did have some great ideas for making building superefficient compared to what we normally have today (30 years after he died!), and of using our resources in such a way that we could all live like billionaires. of course that would mean the BIG GUYS letting go of a) control and b) large amounts of money and c) the insistence on permanent war and permanent arms races... some WILL emigrate to space, but who knows how many yet? IP: Logged |
juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 248
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 06, 2010 08:39 PM
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some WILL emigrate to space, but who knows how many yet?
When do you propose this will occur? ------------------
What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 06, 2010 08:41 PM
i'm not proposing anything, juni...it's not exactly in my hands!!do you think it unlikely?? do you see how fast the technology is advancing? do you think branson et al will continue giving orbit cruise tours to billionaires only? do you NOT think that is where things are heading? IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
Knowflake Posts: 1411
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posted April 07, 2010 04:52 AM
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I think the estimate that you could put everyone in a house and garden in texas was an attempt to show how NOT OVERPOPULATED we actually are in terms of space on earth.but it's not just the space we take up that counts, is it? it's the food, trees, roads, factories, etc etc that we need to keep us alive as well, which takes in a much larger portion of the globe.
Well said Kat. I find this kind of one-dimensional "Overpopulation is a myth" stuff really very irritating. Soundbites. Nonsense. We were overpopulated a long time ago. Read Thomas Malthus. Our crops are kept alive by fertilisers, the species diversity of our crops is narrowing. This is so dangerous. The reliance on oil for our crops is frightening. There will be a catastrophe. There already is a catastrophe. The fact that you can fit all those arms and legs in Texas means zilch. ETA: Sorry, none of this irritation directed at you LTT. Just the source.  . IP: Logged |
listenstotrees
Knowflake Posts: 955
From: the 5th dimension
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 07, 2010 12:09 PM
Tee-hee.Math was never my favourite subject...I'm glad you guys have done the equations for us though. I hate false and inaccurate information; it irritates me too. I want the truth! IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
Knowflake Posts: 2167
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: May 2009
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posted April 07, 2010 01:48 PM
Yeah, there is overpopulation. People keep breeding like bunnies, and on top of that, they are greedy to boot. A bunch of consumers just breeding and breeding, without a thought of the world they live in. I don't see overpopulation as a 'myth' at all either.
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katatonic
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posted April 07, 2010 02:07 PM
if we stopped destroying and started re-using NOW overpopulation would not be a problem. it is the way we behave and consume that makes it so. so yes it is a myth, and no it is not!! given the truculence with which any change suggested in our living habitsis is greeted, i would say we will run out of food before we run out of space. although there are STILL mountains of food going to waste, no effort seems to be made to right the situation. of course starving people to death is ANOTHER pretty way of keeping the population down...IP: Logged |
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