posted January 08, 2011 11:31 AM            

Wrong Node. I brought the inhumanity of the Oregon Health Care Plan up here....long before anyone here or most anywhere else ever heard of Sarah Palin.

Further Node, you are making the assumption I would not have commented on the Washington Post story...if I had seen it...which I didn't before you posted it here.

Further, I note you continue to condemn Brewer...for political reasons...but can't find a single word of condemnation for the Oregon Health Care Plan...which has a "Death Panel" which has in the past and continues today to condemn seriously ill citizens of Oregon to death by refusing to pay for treatment but is willing to pay for euthanasia.

I smell the strong stench of hypocrisy.

posted January 08, 2011 12:07 PM            

nor does he know that it is not really very simple to receive said treatment, but requires an involved approval process.

posted January 08, 2011 12:47 PM            

She did everything she could to continue living AND her doctor did everything he could to fight against the Oregon Death Panel's decision.

So tell me katatonic, are you with Node in not condemning the actions of the Oregon Death Panel?

posted January 08, 2011 01:55 PM            

Sigh

When the thread is not going well for you, go on the offensive right?

You will repeat and repost ad nauseum, then declare yourself the winner as if that matters.
Some things never change.

Oregon is not and never was a so called death panel. The insurance company refused to pay.

What happened, as happens every dam day is the insurance companies decide who giveth and who get taken away.

Her drug was not covered because it is experimental.

The same dam thing that United Healthcare tried to do with one of the AZ transplant patients. United declared bone marrow transplants are not sucessful..although they have a 40% success rate. Therefore they were not going to cover the transplant.

Insurance companies are the real problem here, something the ACA has addressed in some instances, most importantly in allowing those previously deemed un-insurable the ability to become part of the pool.

...The legislation could have been a heck of a lot better had the admin written their own bill, but no, someone had to go and try to make it a bipartisan effort....

And as far as the counseling/assistance Kat said it right. My father died of Alzheimer's, and recently my mother did not recognize her sister in a photo, nor her granddaughter.

I wish this were not a political scorecard because big insurance is the one who always wins.

posted January 08, 2011 05:43 PM            

somewhere along the line she crossed over from her present day stress and distress and is now happily residing - in the 60s...though she recognizes people in their present day forms she is not really with us any longer. and so she will remain, at the expense of her family, for who knows how long?

posted January 08, 2011 06:37 PM            

it ENABLES people to PLAN how they will make their exit and make it most beneficial to their beneficiaries.

and insisting that healthcare is the prerogative of the STATES and not the feds, while insisting that EVERYONE BE TREATED regardless of ability to pay, as reagan did, leaves a burden on the states they obviously cannot afford.

of course the fact that the insurance companies pay out FAR less than the amount on the bill you receive seems to have escaped many people's notice. a gentleman on the radio told his story of cancer treatment, which the hospital billed at about $90000...and which the insurance co settled at less than $5000 payout.

and every doctor i have ever known considers INSURANCE COMPANIES the bane of their profession and the reason for the ESCALATING costs of medical care. full stop.

posted January 09, 2011 09:48 AM            

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she started plotting to get to a nearby body of water where she could just float away

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I do not understand why some have turned the end of life discussion into a political bone. Why the fear and loathing is turned into an us virsus them. When I hear the defenses of the insurance industry by those elected to serve our best interests I get very angry. Many issues we find the ability to bring forth the wry laugh; not this one. Few things other than health care costs have broken more people.

And if the inhumanity is something easily shunted aside how about the U.S. and the bottom line? Currently 40 cents of every government dollar comes from borrowed money. The leading economists have shown the figures that health care costs are an even larger part of our debt than the military

Why insurance even exists is my question. How one industry has managed to put a very secure stranglehold on us and the economy is another. what is happening all over the world is Boom Times. Japan, Russia those that follow our model most closely it seems. Insurance is bigger than ever in just the last 10 years. The growth has been staggering because the problems stemming from costs have never been addressed at the root. Remember when health care was not for profit?

Small business has the ability to offer health care to their employees now. I was listening to a restaurant owner the other day talk about how she could never afford to offer coverage before. She was worried that if repeal legislation is successful she will have to drop out. I have worked at a lot of restaurants and have spent most of my life without insurance because of it.

That small business owners can have insurance offered to employees is a big deal.

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and every doctor i have ever known considers INSURANCE COMPANIES the bane of their profession and the reason for the ESCALATING costs of medical care. full stop.

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