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Node
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posted September 22, 2010 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes
all of those charts from the
  • socialist
  • commie
  • rat basterd BLS
would be called propaganda by denizens of the moons of Twilo.


Just Sayin~


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posted October 10, 2010 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

And while Karl Rove is a mouth piece, I am including this--> from the Crooks n liars page:

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Fox News continues to prove that no disgraced Bush administration official goes unrewarded with interviews on topics where they have absolutely no credibility. Given the Bush administration's record on job creation, Karl Rove is the last person who has any business weighing in on why unemployment is still so high and why we still haven't gotten out of the ditch that years and years that conservative policies on economics has put us in.

Van Susteren and Rove seemed to be taking literal glee over the new unemployment numbers and how bad they're going to be for the Democrats in the mid-term elections. Too bad hacks like Greta will never remind us of just what the Bush administration left us with instead of bringing in the likes of Rove to pretend like Republicans care anything about job creation or doing anything besides using government as a way to funnel our tax dollars to their political contributors.

Joe Scarborough was going on about how wonderful the supposed job creation was under Bush the other day on Morning Joe and I when commented about it to our team at Crooks and Liars, our own Jon Perr reminded me of the Bush administration's record on job creation. What he sent me is worth reminding everyone of here given Rove's remarks to Van Susteren.


IMHO no admin CREATES jobs, what they do (if successful) is CREATE the environment for job growth....


ROVE video is on the ^link^ above.

*But it was the release of a Census Bureau report in September ("Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2008") which in 67 pages laid bare the economic devastation and human toll during the Bush presidency. As The Atlantic ("Closing The Book On The Bush Legacy") rightly noted, "It's not a record many Republicans are likely to point to with pride":

On every major measurement, the Census Bureau report shows that the country lost ground during Bush's two terms. While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. By contrast, the country's condition improved on each of those measures during Bill Clinton's two terms, often substantially.

The sad history of trusting the GOP with the economy:

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The extent of the failure by Jeb's brother was particularly glaring when it came to employment and job creation. The dismal 3 million jobs created under President Bush didn't merely pale in comparison to the 23 million produced during Bill Clinton's tenure. As the reliably Republican Wall Street Journal summed up its interactive table on the subject, "Bush on Jobs: The Worst Track Record on Record." In September 2009, the Congressional Joint Economic Committee charted Bush's job creation disaster, the worst since Hoover:

This table (via The Reaction) provides a horrifying snapshot of the scope of the national calamity under George W. Bush:

http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-236.pdf

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posted October 11, 2010 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carl Rove disgraced?

In your dreams Node

On the other hand, O'Bomber IS a disgrace to the United States, to the US Constitution, to representative government and to American values.

The more you....and some others here post, the more it's clear you're way, way, way out of the American mainstream.

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posted October 11, 2010 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes that uppity PRESIDENT shore don't seem to know his place...afore ye know it the darkies will be treating cracker jack like chattel! anyway that is the karmic fear, isn't it?

after all it is far, far worse that the hitherto locked-out minority should claim subsistence benefits while unable to find work, paid for by the taxpayer who admittedly has more to give away than most of these people receive,

than it is for those born to wealth to expect the rest of us to work our fingers to the bone for slave wages and whatever pension they think we deserve while THEY live in their multiple homes/countries and put THEIR social security money in havens in the caymans.... get rid of the minimum wage! when americans will work for $.30/hour we won't have to outsource to india any more!! woohoo!

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posted October 11, 2010 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stop trying to interject race into the issue of O'Bomber's colossal incompetence katatonic.

That didn't work for the drooling O'Bomber press.

That didn't work for the O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinkers.

That didn't work for the NAACP.

That didn't work for members of the Black Caucus.

And katatonic...it's not going to work for you either.

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posted October 11, 2010 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh so you didn't notice the racist cartoon HD posted and you approved of with a big ? which explicitly uncovers the basic attitude of the tea party towards our black president...you know the one who MUST be a foreigner, MUST be a marxist, and probably picks a good ball of cotton too?

or are you just trying to pretend that cartoon hasn't outed the real motivation behind the anti-obama crowd?

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posted October 11, 2010 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JWHOP: I love it when hardline politicos refuse to own up to the parties failings, or failures.

One thing about Democrats, they are often the first to point the finger at themselves and say: GOD we SUCK!


And JWHOP: I loved it when Karl Rove flipped out about Christine O'Donnell on FOXY. Within 24 hours she had his support.... Who didn't see that coming?

and currently Mr Disgraced, if not indicted (friends in high places again) has his hands full with the Chamber of Commerce and campaign financing with his group American Crossroads.

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posted October 11, 2010 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, what's racist about that cartoon...when viewed through the eyes of a non racist mind?

O'Bomber has egg all over his face from his attack on the US Chamber of Commerce...and Rove.

Even the NY Times disagrees with O'Bomber...along with CBS News.

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posted October 12, 2010 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

IRS To Investigate Rove’s American Crossroads and Other Corporate Front Groups

Kissing Cousins: How The U.S. Chamber Of Commerce And American Crossroads Hook Up To Elect Republicans


^ detailing how the U.S. Chamber of Commerce actively solicits foreign money and funds its attack ads against Democrats, many are calling for a Justice Department investigation. Similarly, two campaign finance watchdog groups have called on the IRS to investigate a shadowy group set up by Karl Rove and former RNC chair Ed Gillespie, Crossroads GPS, which is connected to the 527 group American Crossroads. Though both groups — the Chamber and American Crossroads — had flown under the radar by taking advantage of legal loopholes that allow them to avoid disclosing their funders, the extent of their shadowy practices has only recently become clear.

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posted October 12, 2010 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"IRS To Investigate Rove’s American Crossroads and Other Corporate Front Groups"

Hahahaha

The article you posted which is nothing more than a wishy, hopey blubbering screed doesn't say a word about any IRS investigation of Rove, American Crossroads or the US Chamber of Commerce...nor does it say anything about any plans by the IRS to investigate.

Further, leftists are tin plated hypocrites considering that Barack Hussein O'Bomber adamantly refused to make available the names from his campaign donor lists...even though both Bush and McCain did so.

Gee, I wonder how many millions of dollars flowed into O'Bomber's coffers from foreign sources...in violation of US laws.

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posted October 12, 2010 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee has said he wants an investigation from the IRS.

Is the IRS investigating Rove, his group, or foreign donations to campaigns? Not publically as far as I know.

Jwhop as far as your accusations concerning the president, you still think that Obama is not a US citizen, SO forgive me if you have ZERO credibility.

If there was a shred of proof about donations you know quite well he would have been hung out to dry, and had every available punishment thrown at him.

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posted October 12, 2010 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
60 Plus Association
October 12, 2010

Political leanings: Conservative/Republican

Spending target: Unknown. $5 million announced in September.

60 Plus, which has existed since 1992, describes itself as "a non-partisan seniors advocacy group with a free enterprise, less government, less taxes approach." It brags that it is "often viewed as the conservative alternative to the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP)." It is run by James L. Martin, a one-time journalist and former Republican operative who was chief of staff to the late Republican Sen. Edward J. Gurney of Florida in the late 1960s.

According to his official biography, Martin also "helped to organize and direct several advocacy groups including the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC)," which pioneered independent spending on attack ads and famously claimed credit for defeating several liberal Democratic senators in the 1980 elections. 60 Plus lists as its national spokesman 1950s pop star Pat Boone, who recently wrote that "liberalism" is like a cancer-causing virus. Martin and Boone have appeared at Tea Party rallies.

60 Plus advocates for permanent repeal of the estate tax (which it refers to as the "death tax"), against the new health care law, and in favor of creating personal retirement accounts within Social Security.

As a 501(c)(4) tax-exempt organization, 60 Plus is not required to disclose the sources of its funding, and it does not. It is legally free to accept corporate donations. When we asked who gives to the group, spokesman Tom Kise would only say that it is "supported by 5.5 million citizen activists and others." He wouldn’t identify the "others." Kise said he would relay our request for an interview to Martin. We are still waiting for a reply.

The group got a sudden infusion of money from somewhere. It claims to have spent $10 million last year on TV ads targeting House and Senate members who supported health care legislation. In mid-September, we wrote about false and misleading claims in attack ads 60 Plus was running against 16 Democratic House candidates; the amounts it said it was spending on those ads came to more than $5 million. Since then, it has aired other ads.

The sudden millions available to 60 Plus in 2009 and 2010 are far more than it had reported raising in any recent year, according to the 990 forms it filed with the Internal Revenue Service. The most recent available reports show gross receipts of $1.8 million during the year ended June 30, 2009, $1.9 million the year before that, $1.2 million for the previous year, and $1.9 million in 2006.

Liberal and Democratic critics routinely describe 60 Plus as a "front" for big pharmaceutical companies, but with little recent evidence to back up the claim. Slate magazine reported in October that "Pharma representatives deny that flat-out," and that "the rumor exists because Pharma gave the group money in 2002, but it hasn’t written a check since then." Slate said the source of 60 Plus’ millions remains a "mystery." Furthermore, the prescription-drug lobby and 60 Plus were on opposite sides during the debate over the new health care law. 60 Plus opposed the legislation, while the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America was spending tens of millions of dollars advertising in support of a compromise that is expected to bring the industry millions of new customers by expanding health insurance coverage, without imposing government cost controls. PhRMA endorsed the measure when it passed.

Posted by FactCheck.org on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Filed under Players Guide · Tagged with 60 Plus Association, Cash Attack, James L. Martin, Players Guide
http://factcheck.org/2010/10/60-plus-association/

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posted October 13, 2010 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Node:

1. I never said O'Bomber is not a citizen.
I said he should provide documentation of his natural born citizenship...just as John McCain did.

2. The title to the article you posted is not true since no investigation is started or even contemplated by the IRS...and if it were, they wouldn't admit it. Therefore, the shlub's article you posted couldn't possibly know what they're talking about.

"IRS To Investigate Rove’s American Crossroads and Other Corporate Front Groups"

3. Max Baucus has absolutely no authority to order the IRS to investigate anyone.

4. If the IRS investigates anyone, it will be under the auspices of the US Treasury under the Sec "Tax Cheat Tim Geithner"...who should be serving 5 to 10 years for Income Tax Evasion.

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posted November 16, 2010 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who grows debt better?

Lets look


Here is a really colorful one


It is amazing how the MSM just takes what they are told by Republicans instead of reporting.

Are the Republicans serious about decreasing the deficit?
History, and the talking heads prove NO.

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posted November 16, 2010 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reverse snow-man is worth another look.



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posted July 26, 2011 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

John Boehner:


  • The House passed "cut, cap and balance" with "bipartisan support."

    *Barely true__Well, five Democratic votes out of 234

  • POTUS' economists: 'Stimulus' Has Cost $278,000 per job."

    *False

  • The American people don't want us to raise taxes."
    *false_ Americans actually favor tax increases on the wealthy.

  • The Bush tax cuts "created about 8 million jobs over the first 10 years that they were in existence. We've lost about 5 million of those jobs during this recession."

    *False

  • President Barack Obama "took exactly none of his own deficit reduction commission’s ideas. Not one."

    *False

  • Says the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act adopted last year contains "a series of slush funds, set up to stay on the books automatically, with little or no oversight."

    *Pants of Fire


  • "Over the last two years since President Obama has taken office, the federal government has added 200,000 new federal jobs."
    *False

  • "It’s gotten to a point where the average federal worker makes twice as much as the average private sector worker."
    *False

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posted July 26, 2011 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
his latest plan is in re-writes as his own party rejected it.

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posted July 26, 2011 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boehner's Plan did get bi-partisan support. End of the story.

Now, where's O'Bomber's Plan? Show us THE PLAN.


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posted July 27, 2011 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what is that chart of?

All I see is estimated billions, but for what?

If you call 5 out of 234 bipartisan well then you would be barely right.

I have heard all of the plans-- Boehner, Reid, McConnell and Potus...where have you been?

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