posted November 18, 2010 12:23 AM            

The 1776 War of Independence is still illegal as far as the Crown is concerned.
Interestingly, the Land Patents held by the Crown are still valid. http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=52&contentid=1964&page=2

My view:
It would be a colossal tragedy if Americans do not wake up to what their leaders are doing in collusion with the Blue Blooded Aristocracy from Europe to China.
One of the end goals is to make USA a bigger form of Brazil for easier exploitation by the Elitists.

"Denial is the most predictable of Human Response": Architect to Neo in Matrix 2.
Majority of the Public will not digest the Illuminati Information even if Rothschild begs that he be believed as one of the ruling Elite conspiring against humanity.
But for those on the fence, any documentation showing the "wheels within wheels" ownership of the Federal Reserve, the Vatican partnership with the Royal Bank of Scotland etc will help enlighten.

posted November 18, 2010 01:29 AM            

A = Historical Politics.
B = World Economic trends.
C = Secret Motives & outcome.

A + B = C

I think most people find "C," difficult to fathom & slap the label of "conspiracy," on without thinking twice. It's because they dont know enough about A & B to realize the hard evidence already presented, indeed supports C.

I cant just link one source like "wiki," etc because my knowledge of the subject has been collected from various sources over time...

IQ,
I agree with the end goal, "C," you believe in.

Asides from closely following Global trends, I've seen some of these evidences first hand. For one thing, it's no secret to most Canadians the US has been bullying Canada over natural resources for decades.
Canada does have one of the world's largest oil reserves (in Alberta), albeit unrefined oil. It's obvious the US is screwed once they can no longer rely on Middle Eastern oil. So then what??................
I personally know a well-known documentary filmaker who's currently in Alberta trying to make a film that brings up these alterior motives/exposing them. Some of the info he's found out about the oil industry is quite shocking. His goal is to educate more Canadians on the details. Reality is majority of people still dont have a clue about, "C."

posted November 18, 2010 11:08 AM            

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

posted November 18, 2010 12:58 PM              

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When it comes to this topic, I've found it exceptionally difficult explaining/reasoning with Americans (in person). Mostly because they're still deluded into thinking they're superior on the world stage. Somehow people are able to believe in God/aliens & yet find cold hard facts/evidence crazy.

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posted November 18, 2010 12:58 PM            

This incidentally hoodwinks the Chinese and Japanese and the very very foolish Indians [Reserve Bank of India was petitioned to shift money to Gold and Silver assets in 2003 - 2006 but they never cared] who own 2 trillion junk dollar reserves and think they can become big shots. Who gains if USA is bankrupt and takes the Chinese and Indians down with them? Who does not lose if the dollar crashes? The ones with the most amount of Solid Gold and Silver.

.........>THE VATICAN CHURCH<..............
Russia to an extent. Mr Rothschild ofcourse and all those who are invested with him, including Queen Elizabeth. Some Saudi Royals, a few Latin American druglords and perhaps some Bling Bling crazy rap stars.

Those who own the gold make the laws and control the Nation. And even the USA is not immune to this fact.

posted November 18, 2010 02:34 PM            

You said you see a lot of optimism in Bosnians and Serbs. Well, I'm from the Balkans, I'm half Bosnian, half Croatian and I was very intrigued when I read this considering our recent past and considering our corrupt government. I'm curious what kind of optimism do you actually see in East Europe and especially in the West Balkans?

posted November 18, 2010 03:06 PM            

"I think most people find "C," difficult to fathom & slap the label of "conspiracy," on without thinking twice. It's because they dont know enough about A & B to realize the hard evidence already presented, indeed supports C."

if it can reassure you, in other part of the world, in france for that matter, where I was born, raised and where I now live again, the mainstream population, the average joe, is waking up to this. clearly. on a large scale, I'd say the vast majority, from every generation. they are more or less all aware of A+B (separately and joined together) and luckily, they are open to the possibilities of what will be C and are skeptical of the dark tales told by fearmongering storytellers. (because they are aware of A and B)

posted November 18, 2010 04:47 PM            

Do you believe that you will be better off with these people running things, behind closed doors?

Do you think the world will come crashing down (if so, because of these individuals)?

If the world will continue to run like it always has, with these elitists behind the scene ("like it always has"), why should we CARE about them, at all?

posted November 18, 2010 04:53 PM            

I think Americans find it insulting when this information is presented insensitively, and especially when it's brought to their attention in a mocking way.

It's wonderful to be educated about conspiracy theory and the strategies of those in power... it's another thing when you throw in the barbs of "superiority" simply because you belong to a certain continent. Do you honestly believe if the world comes crashing down, these elitists are going to give 2 sh!ts about you? Your friends? Your family? Your animals? Your security?

If all of these things are true about the illuminati, world domination, plots for global "culling" and control, etc...

WHY IN THE HECK would that be something anyone with half a conscience would become affiliated with, and further, use as means to put others down.

To me, that kind of insensitivity is just not HUMAN, at all.

posted November 18, 2010 05:55 PM            

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It's wonderful to be educated about conspiracy theory and the strategies of those in power... it's another thing when you throw in the barbs of "superiority" simply because you belong to a certain continent. Do you honestly believe if the world comes crashing down, these elitists are going to give 2 sh!ts about you? Your friends? Your family? Your animals? Your security?

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that's what most people outside your borders feels about the US, and I don't say that in a happy manner, cause I started to see a different perspective of the US since I joined LL.

but an excellent example of this superiority thing of the US that infuriates me because it seems to be so naturally accepted is that the people from your country are refered to as "americans" and the country itself as "america"

stupid me, I thought it was the continent that was named like that. d'oh!

as for your first question about the elite and their evil ways, I am not concerned by the fear personnally. I am aware of their tactics (such as all the pig flu or whatever and their so-called vaccins and I know where I stand on this issues) I inform my relatives without pushing to much that they won't believe me anymore it would be counterproductive IMO and that's it really. I let those people do their life. life can be so cool, I heard somewhere that nowadays, the average westerner (or french since it was in france) lives with the luxury that would have been provided by a thousand slaves at the time of egypt I think (I'll have to look for it cause I'm not sure exactly about the number, I'll post it on LL)

and in the western world we are roughly 1 billion people (forgive my inexactitude but something like 300 millions in europe, and more or less the same in the US and in japan) give or take 500 million if you include everyother corner of westernized world, it lives more than 5 billions, you hear me, 5 BILLIONS of people who don't have this standard of living.

shall we take our ways of living for granted? is it wise? what about our grandkids, will they still live with this comfort? and here I talk about material possessions only.

I don't go into the spiritual aspect or philosophical aspect of freedom because I believe god will provides the tools (the generations) to keep the flame alive.

posted November 18, 2010 06:51 PM            

Well, that's a good thing, because the majority of us aren't elitist JERKS. Most of us work, pay bills, provide for OUR families - because, no one is taking care of us, either.

If I had extra money or time, believe me, I'd be the first to give to others. I think others here would be more generous, as well, if we were truly as "fortunate" as other people think we are...

posted November 18, 2010 08:00 PM            

[LARA: "Can someone explain to me why they just take everything so personally and become so spiteful and aggressive over their country?"]

--I will use Film Producer Egomaniacs as a comparison example.
Producers generally dont know squat about filmaking, unless they originally were trained & grad' from film school. The majority are just Rich businessmen (investors), Lawyer turned Producers. Sadly because they hold the purse strings, even the DIR has to listen to them. This is why DIR's often feud with them over what makes a good film. Producers tend not to listen because for them it's about attacking their EGO/intellect etc. Let's face it, at the end of the day a Producer still doesnt know SQUAT about filmaking--at least compared to a DIR.
Americans are just the same. For centuries China was the world's #1 biggest economy until it was collapsed by the Europeans in the 19th century (1850's). America from then on took over & has stayed the biggest economic power, because their founding fathers were like studious DIR's, interested in making things work. As generations progressed, the kids were born into such wealth, everything handed to them, they stopped to care about anything. They become a bunch of clueless Producers with a sense of entitlement, who hold money & power but have no idea how to make good use of it.

When your at the TOP, you become blind sighted by EGO...to the point ANY, even constructive criticism, would be seen as an attack. Frankly it wouldnt even matter what shape or form your presentation takes. The Producers will always think, "I'M the one holding the money & power,..WHY should I even listen to you??"
Until all is revealed at the Box Office...
It results in EPIC FAILS of $350 mill movies like Spiderman3. Would've & could've been better avoided if they had listened to the real filmakers. If not listen,...at least QUESTION. "Hey! maybe the real filmakers arent talking out of their @$$??!"
BUT NO!!!...Producers often keep going down that same dysfunct road cuz of their EGOS. Then eventually an entire corporation like DISNEY goes down. Disney was at it's height & Renaissance era in the late 80's and up to mid 90's when they produced some of the BEST features like Little Mermaid, Lion King, Beauty & the Beast. However in the mid 90's when CEO Michael Eisner took over, he restructured things from a pure Business POV...the Artists were stripped of their creative direction. All of those lead artists left & joined PIXAR! (Disney doesnt own Pixar btw, they merely distribute for them). That was when Disney started making REALLY BAD films to the point 2d animation was permanently halted because it wasnt breaking even. Whereas PIXAR practically became an overnight sensation because they employed ALL the filmakers from Disney's Renaissance era.
Anyways goes to show how stupid Producers can be...Disney was at the brink of bankruptcy by 2000.
If it werent for all the money they were making from distributing Pixar films,...Disney would be closed forever (yes even their theme parks). Who in the entertainment industry EVER would've thought Disney's empire would combust after almost a century of massive success. Especially combust in less than 10years of it's Renaissance Era??? CRAZY right?!

Currently Disney is still struggling to revive it's whole corporate structure. They still havent had any success making their own HIT feature since Beauty & the Beast. Granted they still make mediocre animated films & live action films. But the KEY to Disney's success is a big hit Anim. film, because they could sell tons of toys, merchandise & promote/make new attractions at their theme parks.
The EXACT same economic situation AMERICA is in...both merely trying to stay afloat now.

KATATONIC,
great poem!

posted November 18, 2010 09:07 PM            

[cont'd from Astrology thread]

Once again you have missed my point & overall concept. You seem to think my example's core concept is about how dumb Americans are. Let's not use the word dumb...maybe "unaware," would be better.
I was merely bringing up "questions." That because, "arrogance becomes ignorance," people box themselves in.

You know why I said people in the Commonwealth or Europe are more, "aware," compared to your average American? This is because your average European IS already under the "European Union," & has already experienced a taste of what sucks...(why?)
What about your average Canadian?? Yes, they fear following in those same footsteps in relation to Americans...(why?!) If you would kindly read my first post on this thread, I've slightly mentioned one of the reasons--> OIL). When a country experiences pressure from another, the victims are always immediately made "aware."
Anyways, this is WHY I can say with confidence your average American is less "aware," of what's going on.
Also, why I did not want to get into a debate over, "there's dumb/smart people all over the world." Literally, you are correct!...however dumb/smart people was entirely not the point....

Honestly, if they TRULY knew world historical politics, they wouldnt BE in their current situation...of being trillions in debt & then blame BUSH for it??--say WHAT?! Yes, it clearly shows they only know about their own politics at a superficial level,...because, obviously if they REALLY knew anything, they wouldnt be fully blaming BUSH.

I quote IQ here,
[IQ: "It would be a colossal tragedy if Americans do not wake up to what their leaders are doing"]

Hence your argument of how "well informed," Americans/your friends are....."plenty of nuanced political discussions," in DC, or anywhere else in America for that matter (with the controlled & biased MEDIA)...doesnt really equate to anything as far as I'm concerned. One cannot crash'n burn so fast & become (approx.) the world's 150th POOREST country (despite standard of living) overnight!!! Logically it really doesnt make sense. I hope you would also take the time to read my previous post (here), using the Disney Empire as an example.

Also you might recall...
I had mentioned kids being dumbed out by Hollywood/celebs & voting...
For the longest time it's suspected Hollywood/Illuminati were tied in. The apparent truth came out with a grand slam during Obama's campaign. Suddenly why so many celebs pushing the public to vote for Obama? Why does voting amongst the public suddenly go up like never before at the persuasion of celebs?? It's clear as day...yet the avrg American didnt think it was odd??
If you really knew about politics at a deeper level, you would definitely know why. You wouldnt have said something like, "my friends dont care about Hollywood, etc," cuz that's like saying what does Hollywood have to do with anything??? I'm not bashing you btw...I'm really saying this with a good tone & really want you to think about these things, search for answers.

Like I said, until anyone can answer all the true motives in my previous (WHY) post on the astrology thread...........
I'm not the one to explain complex historical world politics...as it's every individual's own responsibility towards themselves to find out.

posted November 18, 2010 09:27 PM            

All was asked was for sufficient EVIDENCE to back up such loaded statements (which were DEBUNKED anyways). I'm not not blinded by pink fluffy fairytales told in elementary school, I just don't take things at face value.

But carry on please, I'm apparently just an ignorant and insulated American who knows nothing even though I am bilingual, can intelligibly understand up to 5 languages, and have lived in 3 different countries.

posted November 18, 2010 09:36 PM            

when i was in 8th grade american history i had the gift of a cynical young teacher who didn't play by the rules. he didn't toe the establishment line but pointed out that if you wanted to know why any war in history had happened you only needed to follow the money trail .. you can substitute power, territory, etc for money if you like. and it's true, reptilians or not! as i keep saying, whatever they are as a group they ACT like reptiles and they play on the reptilian part of our own makeup.

i saw the instant replay of kennedy's shooting on tv in 63, saw oswald's face, and heard him claiming he was a "patsy" (his word) and even in my youthful naivety, i knew he was telling the truth and that something very dark had come to the surface...

on the robbing of america by what he calls "legally-piggilly" LAWYERS and wall street, BUCKMINSTER FULLER's CRITICAL PATH, written in 1980, is a great precis of our history, and also of world history. he knew then, in 1980, that our government was no longer in the control of our governors, but of the men behind the throne who "robbed us better with a pen than with a sword" ..

posted November 18, 2010 09:40 PM            

Pire & Agent_009,

WHY on Earth do you assume American's HAVEN'T heard of these conspiracy theories? Even the "lowest, dumbest, creepiest" American has access to shows like this:

Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theories: http://www.mojvideo.com/video-bilderberg-conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ve ntura-1-4/7d6c8c04e2f66c4e33a9

The AVERAGE AMERICAN KNOWS about these conspiracy theories... But, we're LIMITED on what we can do!

Most of us recently have been dealing with a recession (most educated people fighting over jobs at fast-food chains), with political elections, with the collapse of social structures, country-wide foreclosures, heated debates over issues like gay marriage and don't ask don't tell... OIL SPILLS, hurricanes, and other countries natural disasters: HAITI...

NOT TO MENTION - WAR! We have our friends & families overseas in Afganistan and Iraq, in a war that seems to have no end, and politicians that have been elected for "change" that have done NOTHING (like they often do)...

Do you think that the Average American has the know-how or the influence to do ANYTHING about a SECRET CONSPIRACY to undermine our own country? Seriously, you do?

What can we do? Until something happens, these issues are brought to the forefront, what can we DO?

posted November 18, 2010 09:45 PM            

my only quarrel on the other thread was that MOST of what she was saying was just common garden fact about the diffs between classes in ENGLAND and several people jumped all over her for being "classist"...the rest as they say is history...but a lot of the reaction was, well i'm american, don't talk to me about class differences! we were talking about english people and when the horse's mouth opens up and is full of hay and teeth there's no point saying it's eating ice cream cos that's wot i like!