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pire
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posted December 18, 2010 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=9&part=1

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Andrew Johnson joins Richard on board the Starship to examine video footage aired on the day of 9/11. People who will not accept that 9/11 was an inside job, cling on the notion that "they saw it with their own eyes on TV". Actually they did not. Richard and Andrew demonstrate beyond any possible doubt that the images we saw on the day of 9/11 were as bogus as a Nigerian email scam.

In the next Starship show, Andrew will be going through physical evidence from the 9/11 attacks, which he has spent years investigating. There are more smoking guns than you can shake a stick at.


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posted December 18, 2010 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
reprise of Wag the Dog??

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iQ
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posted December 19, 2010 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.richplanet.net/911.php

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jwhop
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posted December 19, 2010 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are conspiracy theory nuts emotional disturbed?

I would say yes. I have long believed that people that subscribe to outrageous conspiracy theories are suffering from some kind of serious self-esteem issues.

By believing that they know "the truth" they can empower themselves in some way and make themselves feel as if they are smarter.

It is terribly sad, and I really think that if you believe in 9-11 type conspiracy theories you should consider why it is exactly that you would espouse something so outrageous.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070727135002AAv8v3W

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jwhop
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posted December 19, 2010 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sixth Anniversary of 9/11 Brings Out Conspiracy Theory Nuts
Tuesday, September 11, 2007
By John Gibson

The sixth commemoration of the day that shall live in infamy I'm speaking of 9/11 here has brought out a strange crowd from a strange world.

I'm talking about the 9/11 truthers, some of whom surrounded Geraldo's show on Saturday night outside the FOX studios in New York chanting: "9/11 was an inside job, 9/11 was an inside job."

By an inside job they mean the U.S. government Bush and Cheney and Rummy in particular were in on the planning and execution of the biggest attack on the American homeland in our history.

It's based on the notion that U.S. leaders killed 3,000 of their own citizens to start a war or two or three in the Middle East. Evidence of this plotting is found in all sorts of anomalies in the day of the attack.

All kinds of experts have stepped forward to say this stuff is foolishness, but conspiracy theories don't need facts to sustain them. They just need an army of the gullible to spread the word.

Who pushes these theories? Charlie Sheen for one. He's decided to side with truthers. And Rosie O'Donnell for another.

The two college kids who got all this started in this country with their 9/11 truth movie called "Loose Change" have now admitted their movie asserting 9/11 was an inside job is filled with errors, falsities and erroneous conclusions.

Just by the way: If American Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, where is it? They never have an answer for that one.

That's My Word.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296471,00.html

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pire
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posted December 19, 2010 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop you are asked to NOT comment unless you watch at least one of the two videos posted by me or IQ.

you don't watch, you don't comment.

your opinion is not asked unless you have the courtesy to respect others' point of view.

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jwhop
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posted December 19, 2010 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey pire, my opinion is free...and worth far more than that of the nuts behind the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

I've already proved...here...in numerous ways why the conspiracy nuts are full of hot air. It only remains for these nuts to get themselves some professional psychiatric help.

Btw, one of my questions from long ago...here..is...exactly where is American flight 77...if it didn't strike the WTC?

Here's another.

Where is the bomb residue which would have been all over the debris at the WTC...if it was blown up...as claimed OR if an explosive laden plane...another claim...was flown into the WTC?

The conspiracy nuts are good at making wild jackass statements but they can't answer questions too well.

One other thing pire.

Don't bring up issues here if you only want comment from those who agree with you.

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pire
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posted December 19, 2010 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop, I want people to comment on the links I posted, not out of their ass. I don't want people to agree with me but I want people who comment to have watched the links I posted.

regarding your first question, I don't know. where did the people on the plane go. I don't know.

regarding your second question, I suggest you watch the link I posted. they believe the building was not destroyed by explosives but by a new weapon.

jwhop, regarding your comments about nuts who need psychiatrics, that is too much.

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katatonic
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posted December 19, 2010 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By believing that they know "the truth" they can empower themselves in some way and make themselves feel as if they are smarter.

this also describes people who see commies in every social program and, these days, even in the white house. jwhop your whole schtick is just another variety of conspiracy theory, and hey, my opinion is free too. at least i consider the evidence coming from the other side before i blow it off.

and this: All kinds of experts have stepped forward to say this stuff is foolishness, but conspiracy theories don't need facts to sustain them. They just need an army of the gullible to spread the word....
applies just as well to FOX news and their smear campaign against the government of our country (THEIR country too!) as it does to the 9/11 theorists. how bout we substitute the GLOBAL WARMING SCAM THEORY or the OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA theory....or whatever else you have been pushing these two years?different administration, that's all folks!

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jwhop
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posted December 19, 2010 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't know much about metallurgy
Don't know much about physics
Don't know much about chemistry

Don't know much about the law of gasses
Don't know much about simple chemical tests
Don't know much simple math...counting

In fact, the conspiracy nuts don't know much about anything at all...except they know all about flapping their useless gums making absurd allegations.

We've been all over and through these allegations all the way back to at least 6 years ago on this forum...and several times since. Some people...the clueless 10% or so never seem to get the word. It's over.

Yet, the little haters of the nutty conspiracy set insist Bush? Cheney?, Rumsfeld? the CIA?, the DIA?, the US government itself? attacked the WTC and the Pentagon and tried to attack the Capitol or White House and killed 3000 Americans.

Of course, they can never come up with a good motive...since Bush already had all he needed to take Saddam Hussein out. You see, Saddam never followed through on his signed ceasefire agreement and a state of war still existed between the US and our allies...and Saddam Hussein.

These nutty putty conspiracy theorists need some heavy duty psychiatric intervention.

They're coming to take you away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take you away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa

To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and you'll be
happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats

and they're coming to take you away, ha-haaa!!!!!


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pire
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posted December 20, 2010 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
may be your reluctance to watch those videos is because you fear they will question your convictions.

are you afraid to be wrong jwhop?

if you don't watch the video, let me ask you one question those "nuts" are asking:

why the 2nd plane only appear on screen shortly before it "meets" the twin tower?

the shot is long and the cameraman zoom on the building. and it's only when it has zoomed in that the plane will appear. and when those "investigator" rewind the image (zoom out) , the plane is not in the sky. how do you explain that?

if you don't watch the videos, you are politely asked to stay away from this thread. by courtesy, because you are a courteous person.

I'd appreciate that you watch them but I don't expect that you will challenge your views.

so thanks.

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jwhop
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posted December 20, 2010 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's right pire...I am a courteous person.

So, when someone...a courteous person like yourself posts about a controversial issue...which has been thoroughly debunked before, several times in the past; a courteous person...like myself will counter the nonsense so other courteous persons who don't know the history of the issue won't waste their time going down a dead end road.

Hey katatonic, here's a commie just for you...of the "Revolutionary Communist" set.

Van Jones, Revolutionary Communist, was forced to resign from the Marxist Socialist O'Bomber administration. Not because he is a Communist...of the Revolutionary set but because he's also a nutty putty 9/11 conspiracy theorist. O'Bomber is just fine with having Communists in his administration...even those whose goal is to overthrow the United States through revolution. But, O'Bomber couldn't take the heat for having nutty putty 9/11 conspiracy theorists in his administration.

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katatonic
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posted December 20, 2010 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anyone who takes a five minute look at obama's administration will see people from all "schools" of politics and economics. your point is?

and that has what to do with the video pire posted?

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jwhop
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posted December 20, 2010 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The O'Bomber administration is stuffed full of Socialists, some Marxists, some Stalinists, some Maoists and some...just the usual run of the mill brain dead Socialists from the...so called...Democratic Socialists of America and a further coven of International Socialists.

Don't forget katatonic...you're the one who brought up commies on this thread.

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posted December 20, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jhwop

"a courteous person...like myself will counter the nonsense so other courteous persons who don't know the history of the issue won't waste their time going down a dead end road."

cause you believe your point of view is THE TRUTH ??? ahaha

let me decide for myself what is right and what is wrong, pleaaaase!

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posted December 20, 2010 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, are you an Evangelical Christian like Sarah Palin? That might explain your narrow mind and opinions.

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jwhop
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posted December 20, 2010 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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cause you believe your point of view is THE TRUTH ???...pire

AND...you don't believe your point of view is the truth pire?

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let me decide for myself what is right and what is wrong, pleaaaase!...pire

Fine pire, I'll be happy to do that...just as soon as you abandon your quest to convert unbelievers to your point of view.

Let's see pire, my opinion is backed up with commentary...from what I know, as well as by scientific facts...from metallurgy, from physics, from chemistry...

And you pire have provided no commentary to show you know anything about your posted subject. Instead, you've posted the confused rantings of the lunatic fringe...who have over the years jumped from one absurd position to another as one by one, their lunatic rantings got shot down by facts.

LTT, I know you dwell in the bubble world of unreality. I also know you want desperately to believe Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the CIA et.al. attacked and killed 3000 people in the WTC for some underhanded purpose. But LTT, the facts are not on your side.

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posted December 20, 2010 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nope jwhop I don't have beliefs here. only questions. but I am allowed to take the answers from the medias I choose.

I have studied political science and I know, as you do, and as foucault mentioned, that the point of view is necessarily a part of the equation when it come to perceiving an issue. and so the medias who at least relate the info, and at worst choose it, have a strong influence on the world and how history is perceived. (foucault: knowledge is power)

now all the people in the links I posted are essentially questioning the medias and a few other center of power.

I don't have beliefs, only questions. you have beliefs and throw them around pretending you already solved the problem in the past but no, you didn't. you can't answer the questions I asked above as an excerpt of the questioned evoked on the 2 links provided by me and IQ.

all you've managed to do so far, (and only because you refuse to post AFTER watching those videos) is to distract everyone of us from the subject at hand. divert the issue as you will, but as long as there are people asking questions, you must (if you will) address them properly. each and every question, one by one, as long as everybody is answered.

it is not enough to silence the issue by claiming you've already answered them before. before is before. new questions, new point of view appear every day. if you don't have the answers for these new questions, then you might decide to watch other reply to them. and eventually you will learn a thing or two, except obviously if you decided beforehand that nobody would never teach you anything. in which case you have already graced us with your point of view and you can now live it at that.

notice I didn't attack your point of view. I am interested to believe as strongly as you do that the answer is such and such. I'd like to have beliefs too, like you, but so far I am the one asking questions. I do not have beliefs here. and I don't attack your pre(media)conceived world, because I respect that it is yours. it is not mine, but mine is not defined by anyone, it is annoying cause it is questioned time and time again, reavluated each time. but I prefer it this way.

now if you don't mind, this thread is not about what you, jwhop, believe, but about the link I initially posted and what knowflakes think about it. you are free to comment if you are able to watch the video and give some consideration to the point of view of others.

you can try to answer my question about the 2nd plane.

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posted December 20, 2010 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by listenstotrees:
Jwhop, are you an Evangelical Christian like Sarah Palin? That might explain your narrow mind and opinions.

So all Evangelical Christians are narrow minded? That strikes me as rather hypocritical from someone claiming to be one of the open minded elite.

For the record, I am not evangelical but I do think it is offensive to lump all people into a specific category.

It would be similar to me stating that anyone that believes in anything esoteric is a commie loving hippy that doesn't have much of a life with the exception of smoking mass amounts of pot while stinking up the place with their dreadlocks.

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posted December 20, 2010 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BearsArcher:
So all Evangelical Christians are narrow minded? That strikes me as rather hypocritical from someone claiming to be one of the open minded elite.

For the record, I am not evangelical but I do think it is offensive to lump all people into a specific category.

[b]It would be similar to me stating that anyone that believes in anything esoteric is a commie loving hippy that doesn't have much of a life with the exception of smoking mass amounts of pot while stinking up the place with their dreadlocks.

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with the difference that one distrubs others with their views while the second group enjoy their own company in the peace of th moment.

last point, you are not of the open minded elite because you choose it. don't blame others for that and make yourself sound a victim of this supposed elite. that is a bit too easy to sound true.

my point bearsarcher is exactly this, it is too easy to snap at an open minded person whose comment is not open minded and argue against him/her that is an open minded person and therefore all his/her statements must be open minded.

if you start to use this type of tactics/arguments, you need to have the "roots"/depth/wisdom to make it. otherwise it is just manipulation, argumentativeness disguised as wisdom.

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posted December 20, 2010 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope you don't mind me correcting you, I meant no harm.

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posted December 21, 2010 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pire, your so called education...political or otherwise is sadly lacking.

The 9/11 conspiracy was and is a ploy of the hateful hater extremists of the political anti-war left who used the 9/11 attacks to libel, slander and lie about their political opponents. Extremists don't see a problem with such tactics. Logical, reasonable people do.

Points of view must always bow to reality and facts.

Manipulated fuzzy video and misstatements of fact are not proof of anything...other than the deceptive nature of those who produce them.

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it is not enough to silence the issue by claiming you've already answered them before. before is before. new questions, new point of view appear every day...pire

That's right pire. The nuts will go to any lengths to keep this phony ball in the air.
As their allegations were debunked one by one, they continued to manufacture ever more extreme and unbelievable positions.

You, for some strange reason, believe these extremists new allegations must also be debunked but facts and science have already established how the WTC was destroyed and who did it. It didn't involve space aliens, secret weapons or a conspiracy by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the CIA or the US government.

There's a mountain of evidence against the 9/11 conspiracy nuts but I suspect you...and some others are so wedded to your beliefs you haven't so much as examined any evidence.

You could begin your education on the subject here:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

But pire, I seriously doubt you would welcome any proof against what appears to be a cherished opinion.

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posted December 21, 2010 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
...hateful hater extremists...

lol this is why i continue to read your posts jwhop...

saw the video - part 1 only - and yes, there
is something odd about the media clip...
does this point to a national conspiracy?
i don't know... perhaps it was a ploy by
that particular station in an effort to
boost their ratings - happens quite
frequently even though "journalism" is
supposed to be a detached observation of
events unfolding...

my problem with the show " Starship" -
how can one possibly take what they present
seriously when it's blatantly obvious they
are simply attempting to entertain? if a man in a clown costume ran up to you,
honked his little horn twice and yelled
" the sky is falling " while doing a little
dance how seriously could you take his word?

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posted December 21, 2010 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't forget katatonic...you're the one who brought up commies on this thread.

no jwhop, i brought up PEOPLE WHO THINK COMMIES ARE WAITING UNDER THE BED TO GET THEM and similar paranoid conspiracy nuts. just because they don't call themselves conspiracy theorists doesn't mean they aren't. and yes, i include you in the group.

nothing to do with commies at all, but the people who think left of center is bogeyman land.

but the main point is that not all conspiracy theorists are focussed on 9/11. the birthers came quickly to mind too, you know - obama was born in kenya and trained from birth to undermine the US by pretending he was born in hawaii, going to the extent of FAKING BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS in 1961 and certificates, and all the rest. this definitely qualifies as conspiracy theory.

so enough of the condescending righteousness.

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posted December 21, 2010 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tonight is not the night for me to watch/read the link you posted jhwop but I will do it next week when I've got more time. thanks for your considerate answer jwhop.

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