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PlutoSquared
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posted January 11, 2011 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
And weed hysteria is linked to people who have never smoked it.

And, "Weed hysteria" is a term defined by pot smokers.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I already told you I don't smoke weed so...

WELL I can see that your intelligence has run its course on this topic so I'll be off.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Okay, I already told you I don't smoke weed so...

WELL I can see that your intelligence has run its course on this topic so I'll be off.


Have fun, smokin'. Don't hurt anybody

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posted January 11, 2011 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok keep it civil. PS stated her reason for starting the thread.Healthy debate is welcome but getting personal is not.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.momblognetwork.com/parenting/teen-trends-marijuana-mind-altering- drug-or-harmless-plant

If you asked my daughter, Hollie, and her friends, and hundreds of other teens the above question, they would say marijuana is harmless and should be made legal. After reading this post, you can let me know what you think. (Should it be legal or not?)

Marijuana is a green, brown or gray mixture of dried, shredded leaves, stems, seeds, and flowers of the hemp plant (cannabis sativa).

Strong forms of cannabis include Sinse-Milla, Hashish (Hash), and Hash Oil. All forms of marijuana are mind-altering (hallucinogen) drugs. They all contain THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), the main active chemical in marijuana. Marijuana also contains more than 400 other chemicals:

20 times more ammonia that tobacco.
5 times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides than tobacco.
Marijuana's effect on the user depends on the potency of the THC it contains:

Most marijuana has an average of 3% THC.
Sinse-Milla (made from the buds & flowering tops of a female plant) has average of 7.5% THC, with a range as high as 24%.
Hashish (the sticky resin from the female plant flowers) has an average of 3.6%, with a range as high as 28%.
Hash Oil, a tar-like liquid distilled from Hashish, has an average of 16% THC, with a range as high as 43%.

STREET NAMES FOR MARIJUANA:

Pot
Weed
Grass
Mary Jane (Aunt Mary)
Reefer
Skunk
Boom
Gangster
Texas Tea
Maui Wowie

HOW IS MARIJUANA USED:

- Rolled in a cigarette (joint). (Smoking marijuana is the most harmful.)
- Smoked in a pipe (bong)
- Mixed with food
- Brewed in a tea
- Sliced open cigar & tobacco replaced with marijuana (blunt)
- When a blunt is smoked with a 40 ounce bottle of malt liquor, it is called a "B-49".
- Joints or blunts that include crack cocaine are known as "primos" or "woolies".
- Joints or blunts that are deeped in PCP are called "happy sticks", "wicky sticks", and "love boat".

WHAT ARE THE EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA?

(The effects depend on the type of cannabis and how much THC it contains, how the drug is taken, and whether drinking and other drugs are being used.)

Some teens feel nothing the first time marijuana is used. Others feel high (intoxicated).
Teens become engrossed in ordinary sights, sounds or tastes, and trivial events become extremely funny.
Time seems to go by slowly.
Teens may suffer acute anxiety.
In rare cases, a teen can have severe psychotic symptoms and will need emergency medical treatment.
Hinders short-term memory.
Teen has trouble with complex tasks, such as driving.

HEALTH EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA:

Research shows a teen's risk of heart attack more than quadruples in the first hour after smoking marijuana.
Heart rate doubles.
Lowers blood pressure.
Blood vessels in eyes expand, so teen's eyes look red.
Studies have shown marijuana smoke contains carcinogens. Marijuana smoke contains 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke, but the link between marijuana and lung cancer remains unconfirmed.
Marijuana users inhale deeper and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers, so marijuana users can have the same respiratory problems, chronic cough and bronchitis, as tobacco smokers. Because marijuana is usually smoked without a filter, the amount of carbon monoxide and tar inhaled by marijuana smokers is three to five times greater than that inhaled by tobacco smokers.
Triggers a short-term drop in the hormone that directs growth and development.
Lowers sperm count.
Affects learning and memory processes and can cause forgetfulness and reduced concentration.
Impairs logical thinking.
Marijuana affects the brain and leads to impaired short-term memory, perception, judgment, and motor skills. Affects the balance of chemicals in the brain that regulates mood, energy, appetite, and attention. Has been associated with stroke, but there is no firmly established link.

HOW TO TELL IF YOUR TEEN IS USING MARIJUANA?

May seem dizzy and have trouble walking.
Seems silly and giggly for no reason.
Will have very red, bloodshot eyes.
Have trouble remembering things that just happened.
Your teen will get the "munchies".
Coming off marijuana, your teen becomes very sleepy.

PARENTS SHOULD BE AWARE OF:

Changes in behavior, depression, fatigue, and hostility.
Carelessness with grooming.
Deteriorating relationships with family and friends.
Changes in academic performance.
Increased absenteeism, skipping school.
Lost interest in favorite activities.
Changes in sleeping and eating habits.

PLUS BE AWARE OF:

Signs of drug paraphenalia. (Read my post "To Snoop or Not To Snoop" for favorite hiding places of teenagers)
Odors on clothes and in their bedroom.
Use of incense or other deodorizers.
Use of eyedrops.
Clothing, posters, jewelry promoting drug use. (Hollie started drawing the marijuana leaf on everything.)

Marijuana is the most frequently used illegal drug in the US. Over 83 million Americans over the age of 12 have tried marijuana at least once. Research shows nearly 50% of teenagers try marijuana before they gradurate from high school.

One of the dangers of smoking marijuana is the possibility that it has been laced with another, more dangerous substance, such as cocaine, crack, PCP, or even embalming fluid. Although reports of laced marijuana are infrequent, it is important to remember that with marijuana, your teen has no way of knowing what other types of substances have been added.

Smoking a joint that has been dipped in embalming fluid or formaldehyde has effects similar to those of a joint laced with PCP - a drug that causes hallucinations, euphoria, and often times, panic or rage. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen linked to nasal and lung cancer, with possible links to brain cancer and leukemia, and should not be smoked or ingested in any way.

MARIJUANA

MIND-ALTERING DRUG OR HARMLESS PLANT?

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posted January 11, 2011 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the link, Randall.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, didnt read anything, just wanted to say that marijuana is not a drug, its a plant, lol
all it does is make you happy, hungry and sleepy

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posted January 11, 2011 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, NickiG for your contribution...

But, to be technical... a drug is anything you ingest other than food and water, used for chemical purposes, really.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a plant that contains a drug (THC). lol

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posted January 11, 2011 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All drugs come from plants that are altered in some way.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol, from personal experience, you can grow it, pick it and smoke it...its just a leaf and it actually helps patients such as cataract or cancer patients and gives them an appetite, so i would say its more helpful than harmful

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posted January 11, 2011 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NickiG:
lol, from personal experience, you can grow it, pick it and smoke it...its just a leaf and it actually helps patients such as cataract or cancer patients and gives them an appetite, so i would say its more helpful than harmful


I'm not arguing the benefits. I AM arguing the "harmful", though.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yea, i know PS, but i am arguing the lack of harmful, like i have not known one person to OD on pot

mind altering, yes, but harmful? i dont think so...if that were so i wouldnt have a mother or sister or brother

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posted January 11, 2011 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NickiG:
yea, i know PS, but i am arguing the lack of harmful, like i have not known one person to OD on pot


There isn't a LACK of harmful. Just because you "have not known one person" to experience harmful results from using a drug, does NOT mean that harm does not come from marijuana.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
There isn't a LACK of harmful. Just because you "have not known one person" to experience harmful results from using a drug, does NOT mean that harm does not come from marijuana.


i know people who were harmed from using drugs, but as i said marijuana isnt a drug and every one i know who does marijuana is just as healthy and happy as his neighbor who doesnt do pot

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posted January 11, 2011 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NickiG:
i know people who were harmed from using drugs, but as i said marijuana isnt a drug and every one i know who does marijuana is just as healthy and happy as his neighbor who doesnt do pot


I disagree with you entirely. But, case in point, Jared Loughner was a pot smoker. And, he was not as healthy as his neighbor.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm pretty sure those who have psychotic reactions are predisposed in some way. this is kind of funny to me since i've grown up around potsmokers all my life and it is for the most part harmless in my opinion. then again the consequences for being caught with it around here are next to none and there is less of an air of paranoia around it because of this. i used to be a pot head many years ago but don't smoke any more. i do miss it sometimes though; it relaxes me.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, i mean if the person doing pot was already healthy before he started doing it then they would still be healthy....but my mom does pot and its more out of necessity than for fun and all it does is make her high, i have been around it all of my life

but i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree....however i agree with woah cakes

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posted January 11, 2011 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
i'm pretty sure those who have psychotic reactions are predisposed in some way.

What difference does that make if Jared Loughner was predisposed in some way? How would any human being realize that they were predisposed to having a psychotic reaction to THC without having to experience it the hard way?

What difference does it make if 1,000 people are fine smoking pot every day of their life, and there is 1 person who experiences psychosis and goes to shoot up a supermarket?

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posted January 11, 2011 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel it is irresponsible to say that EVERYONE is alright to smoke pot, and that marijuana is harmless for EVERYONE.

It's just NOT true. Jared Loughner should not have been smoking pot. Regardless of his mental predisposition, adding insult to injury was a bad mix.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i dunno. it's an unfortunate difference, as it were. still the only violent crime partially attibutable (but not even particularly since this person obviously has a screw loose to begin with) to marijuana that i've ever heard of. alcohol is FAR more devastating on the whole, and in more insidious ways.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pluto, who is even saying EVERYONE? why are you forcing your side of a debate that isn't even taking place?

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posted January 11, 2011 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
i dunno. it's an unfortunate difference, as it were. still the only violent crime partially attibutable (but not even particularly since this person obviously has a screw loose to begin with) to marijuana that i've ever heard of. alcohol is FAR more devastating on the whole, and in more insidious ways.

Well, I'm not comparing apples and oranges. Even if we agreed that alcohol was more harmful, what difference does it make? Is it OK that 1 guy who smokes pot and goes to shoot up a supermarket, compared to a million DUI's?

I'm just making a point about the 100% guarantee that I hear pot smokers offering -

THAT everyone is fine to smoke pot. It's obvious that people with mental illness, or who are predisposed to have mental illness, should be VERY CAREFUL with what drugs they take.

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posted January 11, 2011 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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still the only violent crime partially attibutable (but not even particularly since this person obviously has a screw loose to begin with) to marijuana that i've ever heard of. alcohol is FAR more devastating on the whole, and in more insidious ways.

my first time too

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posted January 11, 2011 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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pluto, who is even saying EVERYONE? why are you forcing your side of a debate that isn't even taking place?

EVERYONE is emphasized because I am referencing marijuana campaigns that say this...

AND, although WE may not be arguing, there is pro-marijuana campaign all over the place, especially with legalization, that makes the emphasis relevant...

Sorry you don't like the caps, but I am making a specific argument here.

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