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Quinnie
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posted January 13, 2011 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm really interested to know, what value gold has and who actually uses it?
I was reading something and it stated that we should all start buying silver instead of gold, to reduce the value of gold that has corrupted banks and governments.

With it's special properties, what does Gold actually do, physically and metaphysicallY?

I don't quite understand it's relation to currency and the economy...

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posted January 13, 2011 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There might be a few details that I'm missing but I'll do my best to explain.
I'll come back later and find some links for you that might better explain.

Ok so gold was used as currency, so was silver, and copper I believe. Why? Well because it's valuable I suppose. People have been after gold since the beginning of time. Anyway people used gold to buy things and I'm guessing that's how the gold standard started. The U.S. started printing notes that were like a receipt for money. If you had a silver dollar you would go to the bank and ask for the amount in silver. The paper note was basically saying I have this amount of silver in the bank and if you go to the bank and give them this note they will give you the value in silver.

In 1913 false legislation was passed that developed the Federal Reserve, which isn't Federal at all. It's privately owned by banks. What the Federal Reserve does is print money as we know it today and sell it for face value (with a 5 cent interest rate per dollar) to the U.S government. The government buys it with bonds promising to pay the Federal Reserve aka the Fed. So each dollar actually cost the USA $1.05 Where do they come up with the extra 5 cents? Why taxpayers of course. This is what is called debt currency. Because the USA could actually print their own money for 5 cents and save themselves a LOT of money, and taxpayers too, not to mention pull us out of this economic hell-hole.

The icing on the cake of this is that in 1913 when the Fed was illegally created they also forced a search and seize on all the gold people owned. This put Real Value in the hands of the private banks, who could print money out of thin air, and therefore where able to control the value of money. Hence inflation.

Not sure if you follow all this but I promise to be back with links that explain everything step by step with pictures!

Moral of the story? BUY GOLD!!! REAL GOLD. Why? So it won't get into the hands of private banks. So YOU can have something of real value. Hearing about buying silver is just a way for the private banks to get their hands on even more gold.

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posted January 14, 2011 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you LittleCloud! You explained it very well!!

What do you mean by a false leglislation?
Was this one that was created underhandedly, without public notice?

If the US did start to print it's own money, would there need be world-wide economic implication?
Is it really as simple as printing out enough money for everyone?
If so why are we not doing it?
Why do people not lobby against the federal reserve?

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posted January 14, 2011 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Was this one that was created underhandedly, without public notice?

Yes. They had books with a whole bunch of complicated numbers and configurations to confuse everyone.

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If the US did start to print it's own money, would there need be world-wide economic implication?

Well it's rather like a domino effect. But to fully change it world-wide every country who has this debt currency in place would have to do the same. (dismantling their own Federal Reserve)

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Is it really as simple as printing out enough money for everyone?
If so why are we not doing it?

It's not about printing enough money. Printing more money will just cause severe inflation. Like in the Caribbean where $1,000 buys you a loaf of bread. What needs to be done is re-instating the old method of being able to exchange the notes for real gold or silver. This give it real value and does not change over time. That's what the gold standard is. The gold is basically your control where everything else is a variable. The value of gold does not change. The value of the dollar drops the more you print of it. So printing more money would be the worst thing to do.

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Why do people not lobby against the federal reserve?

Because they don't know about it. Because they think Afghanistan is Australia.
Because:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

Then there are others who are scared to stand up against the tyrant that is the Federal Reserve. Not to mention standing up to the millions of people who will don't even realize you are fighting for them. Many people fail to see the bigger picture in things and many others who see it are in denial and refuse to believe it. They will even try to find reasons to prove why the Fed is good, which you will find on the internet.
Knowledge is Power. The U.S gov knows this and does everything in it's power to dumb down people. Unfortunately it's worked.

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posted January 14, 2011 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually the old guy that said that bit about the Masonic order towards the end was the only one that was right and honest.

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posted January 14, 2011 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004853.html

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Quinnie
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posted January 15, 2011 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. I'm bitter. Why, becuase when I say stuff like Americans bury their head in the sand or think that they are the only country in the world, I get labelled anti-American and accused of hating America.
Some of the things that I have posted have been along a similar vein to yours and others, and you don't get personal insults hurled at you. It makes a person afraid to ask questions or state their opinion in this forum.
Your youtube speaks for itself really. Aren't we all in the dark about our own countries? Isn't it time we started looking at other people's perspectives and asking ourselves WHY other country's have such ideas or prejudices even about our own country?

Anyway... what you wrote is what I had assumed so thank you and I don't mean to make you feel as if I am lashing out at you. I mainly come here to learn and also to provide an alternative view or sometimes a personal opinion. Gosh I know I'm taking this video too seriously, and I need to lighten up...

So with regards to getting EVERYONE changing from debt currency into a cerdit currency, does htis make a one world currency more plausible?

Jwhop I will attempt to take in your link now. Thanks for replying

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posted January 15, 2011 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I commend you for trying to get alternative viewpoints out there and I hope you keep it up. No worries on you lashing out at me, because I don't fee like you are.

I've been called Anti-American as well but I tell them that in no means am I anti-American. I'm pro people and helping them keep their liberties that are God given. If you don't believe in God then your natural given rights. People often argue what they don't understand or don't know, which is the case here. They hear one line in the song and don't listen to the song in its entirety which is sad. Then they expect to cure hunger, and diseases when they go about it the wrong way.

As far as being in the dark about our own countries, yes it's true. But some slack should be given here as not everyone can know absolutely everything. I'm sure that's not what you meant, I'm just trying to cheer you up. Part of being in the dark is the promotion of ethnic pride, which is what politicians do to pull votes and create some sort of unity in people. I always felt that traveling cures you of ethnic pride rather quickly. It teaches you to view things from another perspective which is something everyone needs and few are open to.

Well this debt currency is what the Freemasons want to be able to create a one world currency. It's a step towards the New World Order. I hate the idea because it strips every country of its individuality, its history, everything then becomes to bland. I want to go to Thailand and feel like I'm somewhere else and not see everything that I would see in America. I want to be able to appreciate every difference for it's worth and this freedom will be stripped from us by the NWO.
Anyway I can go on and on but the point is that people are very uneducated in the very basic of things they should and need to know.

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littlecloud
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posted January 15, 2011 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW quickly scanned jwhop's link. Good stuff. Will get back to it later.

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posted January 15, 2011 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ariefairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

monoatomic gold

ORMEs, an acronym for "Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements",[1] are "monatomic elements", also called "ORMUS elements"[2] or "m-state elements,"[3] are atoms which comprise a substance in which its atoms are not bound to each other (called a monatomic state). They constitute a newly discovered form (phase) of matter (refered to as "exotic matter") with entirely different physical properties from normal elements.[4] They are thought to produce incredible physical and mental health benefits when ingested and are already on the consumer product market (see here).[5][6] Monatomic gold is believed to have been eaten by the ancient Egyptians and was depicted to be a food of the gods which would assist the Egyptians in unlocking their inate mental and spiritual abilities.[7] The discovery of monatomic elements has so far recieved little mainstream attention, but is expected to become an important subject in the future.[8] Some have even said that this discovery may constitute the uncovering of the esoteric "Philosopher's Stone", as spoken of in Alchemy, or even the famous Holy Grail.[9] Viewed spiritually, it is thought to bring enlightenment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sloth_monkey/ORMEs

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posted January 15, 2011 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ariefairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im not so sure about the consumer market stuff...sadly even the world of metaphysics gets exploited


also, i find it very weird, perhaps 'the most underhanded robbery of all time' how people were convinced, well, made i suppose now i think about it, to swap their tangible precious and weighty gold for bits of paper with an empty promise to the sum of a number?? tis madness

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posted January 16, 2011 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow some fantastic replies. LL never fails to enlighten me. Thank you everyone.
Littlecloud
I have a little knowledge on the NWO. I used to think a one world currency system would be a good thing but now I question the motivation behind it. Very interesting!

Jwhop I replied to your string. Thank you, very informative! http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004853.html


Ariefairy
Aaaaaaaaah I see, monoatomic gold has healing properties... is that the Egypians also put it on the skin and during mumification. I read that possibly this prolonged the decay ofthe body.

Frozenqueen also pointed out that gold should stay put in the Earth to regenerate it's solar energy from within. In astrology gold is the metal of the sun so that would make sense.
Did the Aztecs use gold during sacrifice?

This has led me to think that perhaps by digging out gold there is some sort of Earth ritual sarifice that occurs.

From a monetary and metaphysical perspective all is not what it seems.

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posted January 16, 2011 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think eventually as hundreds of years and thousands of years pass, there will be New World Order. A United Countries of Earth.

By that time,we will be in strong contact with other planetary civilizations.


I don't believe that a New World Order is necessarily a bad thing. I just believe that it would be a bad thing now because it's too early.

Only when hundreds years pass and maybe even thousands years of pass and there is total peace,harmony,equality on our planet,we will have United Nations of Earth with a government.
We will have a President of Earth. We will
have Terran Senators and Representatives.

There could be a time where there will be a Galactic Government with there being a President of a League of Planets.


This seems like Science Fiction right now, but I am very sure that it will actually be reality in the very far future.


I believe that it will take an interplanetary war to bring all citizens of Earth together.

I believe that it will happen in the far future.

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posted January 16, 2011 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus- Please explain to me how total submission of freedom is a good thing?

Quinne-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3491021441790647089#

Has all the info you need to know. It's a about an hour long but probably the most informative hour you will have in a very long time.

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posted January 16, 2011 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
littlecloud, i think glaucus is saying that at some point we do need to realize we are all in this together...not that it needs to be forced down our throats. it is too early because most people think "all in it together" is a blanding out and restricting of everybody for the sake of the whole, kind of like communism is viewed today...

a true new world order would have us all understanding we are part of the same family in the same universe and INTERdependent in almost every way...(not codependent, mind you)

but to legislate such a one world govt at this point probably WOULD involve subjugation of the individuals "rights" so that everyone is covered. we are still a long way from what jefferson considered ideal, ie a people who could be allowed complete freedom because they would respect everyone ELSE's freedom at the same time...such has yet to prove realistic, what with our petty minded self interests and embezzling ruling class...

which is definitely not unique to americans, by the way! this is a world wide problem, and it is a mistake, in my mind, to attribute all the power, glory and evil to the USA...official OR personal.

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posted January 17, 2011 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
littlecloud, i think glaucus is saying that at some point we do need to realize we are all in this together...not that it needs to be forced down our throats. it is too early because most people think "all in it together" is a blanding out and restricting of everybody for the sake of the whole, kind of like communism is viewed today...

a true new world order would have us all understanding we are part of the same family in the same universe and INTERdependent in almost every way...(not codependent, mind you)

but to legislate such a one world govt at this point probably WOULD involve subjugation of the individuals "rights" so that everyone is covered. we are still a long way from what jefferson considered ideal, ie a people who could be allowed complete freedom because they would respect everyone ELSE's freedom at the same time...such has yet to prove realistic, what with our petty minded self interests and embezzling ruling class...

which is definitely not unique to americans, by the way! this is a world wide problem, and it is a mistake, in my mind, to attribute all the power, glory and evil to the USA...official OR personal.



Exactly

That's why I had said the following:

Only when hundreds years pass and maybe even thousands years of pass and there is total peace,harmony,equality on our planet,we will have United Nations of Earth with a government."

"I believe that it will take an interplanetary war to bring all citizens of Earth together. "

I don't see how what I said can be viewed as submission of freedom.

I was mainly talking about Global Unity.
heh....pun intended.


You understood perfectly what I was saying.

Thank You.


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posted January 17, 2011 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

Quinnie I think this might help you.

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posted January 17, 2011 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kat- I don't think I expressed my views clearly. I do not think that the USA should be the soul attributer of all that is evil. I believe is was created with many well intentions, just not by all. Obviously this is a world wide problem that should be dealt with within each individual country first.

Every country that has their own Federal Reserve needs to abolish it. If that is done then half your problem is gone. From there if there is another country that needs support to do the same then the other countries should help out. Then each country should mosey along back where they came from and improve their Own country.

Jefferson also said that a country should have a Revolution every 20 years to keep it in check. He and Benjamin Franklin knew what was to happen to this country.

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i thank dat if we get rid of da evil masters of dis world dat we can bring all of da peoples in da world together, dan we kan start kommunicatin wit da othar beings in da univirse. da othar beings dun want to come here now cuz of da evil masters. dats why we gots to get rid of dem.

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posted January 22, 2011 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Valerie_Knight:
i thank dat if we get rid of da evil masters of dis world dat we can bring all of da peoples in da world together, dan we kan start kommunicatin wit da othar beings in da univirse. da othar beings dun want to come here now cuz of da evil masters. dats why we gots to get rid of dem.

Val.. we don't all speak or write that way. We don't say "da peeps ned to du dat". I know you are in a different country and may have seen how some people write on FB, but in actuality, we don't speak like we are from the ghetto / barrio / trailor park.

ETA... Quinnie.. I have no idea why you feel bitter. The angry response you get is due to your condescending attitude towards Americans. If you were to ask questions in a manner that was not derogatory, then you would receive appropriate answers. However, you come across as "snubbing" Americans and having a "holier than thou" attitude.

In this forum, you get what you give. Littlecloud was not being demeaning, condescending or self-righteous.

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posted January 22, 2011 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bears I find it interesting that you seem to think that I have a condescending attitude towards Americans.... I don't.
You can read clearly that Littlecloud and I were supporting and accepting of each other's opinions but perhaps I got it wrong?...why don't you ask Littlecloud if she understood what I meant and if she felt I was directing anything negative towards her or simply voicing my feelings.

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posted January 22, 2011 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BearsArcher:
We don't say "da peeps ned to du dat".

I'm glad someone said it.

Bears, Quinnie I think you two are misunderstanding each other. I don't know what Quinnie has posted in the past and if or how this may have rubbed people the wrong way but as far as this thread she just seemed frustrated that she was getting the 3rd degree from everyone all the time while I on the other hand didn't receive this from others. I think that was in part because I haven't been posting here as long as she has.

Also for the record I separate "Americans" in the two categories of the American gov't and the people. They are separate entities to me and don't very well reflect one another, hence the separation. Which can actually be said of many countries, I just don't know how they function to be able to come to any opinion/conclusion of them.

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posted January 23, 2011 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Also for the record I separate "Americans" in the two categories of the American gov't and the people"
............................................

That is exactly how I view it too.

Edited...I think the same way about ANY country...

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posted January 24, 2011 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<
"Also for the record I separate "Americans" in the two categories of the American gov't and the people"
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That is exactly how I view it too.

Edited...I think the same way about ANY country...
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A helpful modification:
People of a country, Government and Die-Hard Government policy supporters.

Category 3 is the most dangerous. They will even kill their fellow dissenting citizens to uphold government order because what the government tells them "has" to be the absolute truth.


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posted January 24, 2011 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If that is how Quinnie truely meant it, then fine. But I am going by previous posts on previous threads towards Americans. In those posts I did not see the disclaimer that differentiates "Americans" from "politcs concerning Americans".

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