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jwhop
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posted February 03, 2011 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's Not Nice to Lie to America

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February 03, 2011
NYT continues to sink
Steve McCann

The New York Times Company has just issued its 4th quarter financial results. Their long term trend of slowly sinking into the sunset continues. Total revenues fell 2.9% from the same period a year ago. Net Income fell 29% and earnings per share fell from $.63 to $.45. The long term trend shows no real improvement as advertising revenues continue to decline.

Since February 3, 2004 when the New York Times Company closed on the New York Stock Exchange at $45.69 a share, it has steadily eroded to the point where the latest quote as of today is $10.56 (a decline of 77%). By contrast the Dow Jones Industrial Average during this same period has gone from 10,409 to 12,037 today (an increase of 16%).

The Company continues to scramble to sell assets and find new sources of borrowings in order to keep afloat. However, there seem to be few questions asked as to why the loss of readership which impacts advertisers. Over the period 2004 to 2010 the average daily circulation has dropped from 1,124,700 to 877,000 an overall decline of 22%. Certainly it could not be due their one sided and overwhelmingly left-wing approach to the news and not so subtle cheerleading for the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party which has driven many to seek comparatively unbiased news sources elsewhere such as the internet, Fox News and a few still objective newspapers.

That factor will never be acknowledged as the New Times editorial board and staff consider themselves the epitome and voice of the current Ruling Class. They will go down with the ship as they are above succumbing to the rabble outside their palace doors.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/02/nyt_continues_to_sink.html

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AcousticGod
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posted February 04, 2011 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess you're bored. Trying to get my goat or something.

"It's not nice to lie to American" What nonsense.

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Certainly it could not be due their one sided and overwhelmingly left-wing approach to the news and not so subtle cheerleading for the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party which has driven many to seek comparatively unbiased news sources elsewhere such as the internet, Fox News and a few still objective newspapers.

Hilariously ironic to say the least. Fox is "comparatively unbiased" versus the NYT? On what planet?

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jwhop
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posted February 04, 2011 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"It's not nice to lie to American"...acoustic

Improper grammer acoustic...and it's not what I said.

"It's not nice to lie to America" IS what I said.

The Treason Times along with the other pencil necked geek run leftist so called newspapers are finding out the truth of what I said.

As for your "goat", what would I want with a leftist "goat".

Fox is "comparatively unbiased" in relation to other newwork news channels. Tune in most anytime to their news broadcasts and you'll find guests with the opposing view presented in living color. That's fair and balanced.

I know your favorite imflamatory lying leftist airhead...Keith Olbermann got fired from MSNBC but that's no reason to attack Fox News.

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posted February 04, 2011 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No they're not. You're still delusional. Still confusing cause and effect.

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As for your "goat", what would I want with a leftist "goat".

If we're going to be nitpicky about grammar, it's a question mark that ends a question.

To answer, I think it's rather plain that you're looking for some interaction. What Conservative cares about the NYT? None, so no audience there. So why post, if not to try to spawn some interaction? Get on facebook or something if you're bored. Let your friends in on your unusual politics.

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Fox is "comparatively unbiased" in relation to other newwork news channels. Tune in most anytime to their news broadcasts and you'll find guests with the opposing view presented in living color. That's fair and balanced.

Wow. You're too much. Now Fox has a long established reputation in this area. I don't even know a Conservative who'd side with you on this. They would agree that Fox has endeavored to become more legitimate in recent times, but the bent is still markedly biased. Nice try, though.

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I know your favorite imflamatory lying leftist airhead...Keith Olbermann got fired from MSNBC but that's no reason to attack Fox News.

My favorite? Since when do I have a favorite political talking head? No dice. Keith Olbermann was amusing, but that's about it. I don't turn to anyone to receive my opinion. Doing so would make me a Republican.

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jwhop
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posted February 04, 2011 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The book on you acoustic says you never know what the hell you're talking about.

The Treason Times has even been selling off assets, cutting staff..for years and cutting pension funding to stay afloat.

The reality is exactly what I forecast here when I saw the Pew Report which said only 21% of their poll respondents believed all or even most of what the NY Times reports. Americans are right to not believe much of what the leftist twits at the Treason Times reports as news.

(RTTNews) - Diversified media giant New York Times Co. (NYT: News ) Tuesday reported a 26 percent decline in profit for the fourth quarter on lower advertising and circulation revenues. In addition, the year-ago quarter's results were boosted by a pension curtailment gain and a gain on the sale of a radio station. However, excluding items, earnings per share from continuing operations for the latest quarter increased.

Looking ahead, the company said that visibility for advertising revenue remains limited as it continues to be highly volatile, and expects circulation revenues in the first quarter to decrease in line with the declines the company experienced in the second half of 2010.

The company's net income for the fourth quarter was $67.14 million or $0.44 per share, down from $90.92 million or $0.61 per share in the year-ago period.

The year-over-year decline in revenue was attributable to a 3 percent decline in advertising revenues to $385.84 million and a 3.6 percent decline in circulation revenues to $230.67 million.....
http://www.rttnews.com/Content/BreakingNews.aspx?Id=1544009

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AcousticGod
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posted February 04, 2011 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad you agree with what I said about Fox, and your play for my attenion.

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The book on you acoustic says you never know what the hell you're talking about.

You seem to oddly forget that you're the most-disagreed with person in this forum. The Most Oft To Get It Wrong title belongs solely to you. You're not proving me wrong now, which is typical of our interactions.

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The Treason Times has even been selling off assets, cutting staff..for years and cutting pension funding to stay afloat.

Which implies nothing about them lying, or not having credibility. Poor argument.

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The reality is exactly what I forecast here when I saw the Pew Report which said only 21% of their poll respondents believed all or even most of what the NY Times reports.

You got the Pew data wrong, though. We established that three or four times in unnecessarily lengthy debates. Pew agrees with me that people turning to the internet for news is what's driving newspapers out of business.

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Diversified media giant New York Times Co. (NYT: News ) Tuesday reported a 26 percent decline in profit for the fourth quarter on lower advertising and circulation revenues.

Yes. Due to the internet.

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jwhop
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posted February 04, 2011 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Play for your attention acoustic?

Let me break this to you as gently as possible acoustic.

You hardly register on my radar screen nor do I much care what you think. That's so acoustic, because I have grave doubts you have the ability to think rationally at all.

In the meantime, the Treason Times sinks further into the toilet bowl. Their management is entirely too stupid or too ideological to understand the vast majority of Americans don't give a rat's ass about the leftist rantings the Treason Times calls news.

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AcousticGod
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posted February 05, 2011 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. I hit the nail on the head...again.

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Their management is entirely too stupid or too ideological to understand the vast majority of Americans don't give a rat's ass about the leftist rantings the Treason Times calls news.

And yet, you care enough about the NYT to either try to mock them, or otherwise to use them to attempt to gain some attention.

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posted February 05, 2011 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"attempt to gain some attention."

Perhaps you need to remind me who started threads using his screen name to call attention to himself....one of which talks about himself in the 3rd person.

AcousticGODZALA
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000175.html

AcousticGod's FIRST thread of the New Year
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000230.html

Sorry acoustic, wrong tactic. Attempting to take the spotlight off the Treason Times and shine it on me is a dead bang loser.

The Treason Times is in the crapper because people don't believe what they report as news and therefore, their subscriptions are way down. Further acoustic, advertisers follow the crowds...which are not at the Treason Times...so, there goes the Treason Times advertising revenues as well.

You know it's bad when even among democrats...only 37% believe all or even most of what the Treason Times reports as news.

And then acoustic, the Treason Times had to sell it's headquarters space in Manhattan to pay debt.

And then acoustic, the Treason Times had to borrow money from a Mexican billionaire at an eye-popping 14% interest rate. Hey acoustic, no one is paying 14% interest on borrowed money these days...except those whose credit rating and prospects for staying in business are in the crapper.

And acoustic, the Treason Times tried for 18 months to sell the Times interest in the Boston Red Sox and finally managed to unload a small portion to finance their continuing operations and pay debt coming due.

March 9 (Bloomberg) -- The New York Times Co. agreed to sell the space it occupies in its Manhattan headquarters for $225 million to pay debt as print advertising revenue declines.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aAdGrCJ11YKY&refer=us

NY Times borrows $250m from Mexican billionaire at 14%
http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/874575/NY-Times-borrows-250m-Mexican-billionaire-14/


Times' Red Sox stake sale called puny play

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/green_monster_cuiHG9a7dsQKV4UrtGg9rJ

Imagine that acoustic. I told you years ago this was going to happen to the Treason Times when I saw the Pew Report. The little leftist twits at the Treason Times fail to understand the only thing they've got to sell to the public is accurate reporting of the NEWS. When only 21% believe all or even most of what the Treason Times reports as news...it's big time trouble in River City.

Hang in there acoustic. If you can hang on long enough you may capture the distinction of being the only one left in America who still believes in the Treason Times.

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posted February 05, 2011 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can someone name a newspaper whose circulation is growing...apart from the national enquirer? people can't be bothered with the paper when they can get news online anymore...

but please, jwhop, if you know of a newspaper whose numbers are going up, please let us know! don't keep it to yourself!

when you compare a newsPAPER to a TV SHOW you are cooking the books metaphorically! and i'm surprised you missed the study that showed how THE MORE PEOPLE LISTEN TO FOX THE MORE UNINFORMED they are...or MISinformed more correctly... http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/maryland-study-finds-a-massive-amount-of-misinformation-spread-through-media

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AcousticGod
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posted February 05, 2011 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Perhaps you need to remind me who started threads using his screen name to call attention to himself....one of which talks about himself in the 3rd person.

I don't know why you believe this to be a point. When did I ever state or imply that my personal threads weren't for me? Which of those threads asks people to come join me in them?

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Attempting to take the spotlight off the Treason Times and shine it on me is a dead bang loser.

The spotlight was already on you. Like I said, no one cares about the NYT, so your posting this must be an attempt to get some attention.

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Imagine that acoustic. I told you years ago this was going to happen to the Treason Times when I saw the Pew Report.

It's all nonsense. (Thanks for making that note personal, and proving to yourself that it was about getting my attention.) That Pew report said that newspapers were losing business to the internet. You had the wrong CAUSE then, and you have the wrong CAUSE now. Just like our BS oil conversation where you thought that a politician saying "drill baby drill" caused prices to decrease. You can't figure out the cause of the most basic things. Your mind processes things incorrectly.

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The little leftist twits at the Treason Times fail to understand the only thing they've got to sell to the public is accurate reporting of the NEWS.

I don't see you disproving their news stories. Every time you've been asked to disprove normal media's news stories you try to find someone's work that you think was successful at it. You haven't brought a single erroneous NYT article to this table ever.

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Hang in there acoustic. If you can hang on long enough you may capture the distinction of being the only one left in America who still believes in the Treason Times.

I have no interest in whether they're wrong or right. I could care less. I'd rather concentrate on the fact that you're misrepresenting any notion of logic. I'd rather point out that you're bored, and seeking attention (because that's really the only reason to bring this here).

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