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AcousticGod
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posted March 02, 2011 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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katatonic
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posted March 02, 2011 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
social security was NOT INTENDED TO BE A RETIREMENT FUND but provision for the widows and children of wage earners who died and left them penniless. so the average life expectancy is irrelevant.

besides which then, as now, IF YOU MADE IT PAST being born, childhood diseases, were not killed by accident or war, and other hazards along the road, the age you could expect to reach was "three score and ten" a good deal before social security ever came along. in fact the "three score and ten" phrase is from the BIBLE, which predates the US altogether as i recall.

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posted June 14, 2011 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Governor Scott Walker wins a big victory in Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Now, the citizens of Wisconsin are back in charge of their state government..through their elected representatives and labor unions are not in charge of state government through the millions they give to demoscat legislators to toe the union line.

June 14, 2011
Wisconsin Supreme Court upholds law limiting public employee unions
Thomas Lifson

The public employee unions lose a big one, as the high court upholds the law passed by the Republican-led legislature and signed by Governor Scott Walker. Recall that this is the law that led to 14 Democrat state senators fleeing the state, and to raucous, often vulgar and destructive demonstrations in the state capitol in Madison.

Amy Merrick of the Wall Street Journal reports:

Tuesday's opinion, joined by three of the Supreme Court's seven justices, said the circuit-court judge, Maryann Sumi, exceeded her authority. The justices wrote, "One of the courts that we are charged with supervising has usurped the legislative power which the Wisconsin Constitution grants exclusively to the legislature."

Justice David Prosser, who narrowly survived a re-election battle in April that became a referendum on the collective-bargaining law and Mr. Walker's policies, issued a separate concurring opinion.

The court's remaining three justices concurred in part and dissented in part. Although the justices are chosen in nonpartisan elections, the court is generally considered to be split 4-3 in favor of conservatives.

Fox News reports:

The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the state's contentious union rights law can go into effect, giving Republican Gov. Scott Walker a major victory.

Walker pushed the law that eliminates most of public employees' collective bargaining rights and forces them to pay more for their health and pension benefits. He says it's needed for the state to address its budget problems.

Legal Insurrection's Professor Jacobson calls it a "sweeping victory."

The Court adopted the argument I had made here many times, that the Courts had no business questioning the legislatures interpretation of its own rules (snip)

This also is a vindication for the legal strategy of not backing down to the unjust, unwise, uncalled-for, unlawful rulings of Judge Sumi, who engaged in clearly unsound legal reasoning which -- whether intended or not -- took on the appearance of political
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/06/wisconsin_supreme_court_upholds_law_limiting_public_employee_unions.html

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posted June 15, 2011 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a strange thread to put this in.

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jwhop
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posted June 15, 2011 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose your response is further proof you don't read others posts with comprehension.

If you did, you would have seen the 2nd post on this thread and responded accordingly..or, perhaps you think you are responding accordingly.

"The following was in the news today which highlights many of these issues->
Teachers Union Protests Gov. Scott Walker's Bill To Limit Bargaining Rights

The Wisconsin State Capitol bulged with thousands of union members, including teachers, Thursday protesting Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's bill that would limit union bargaining rights."............

Oh well!

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AcousticGod
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posted June 15, 2011 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy, you really aren't making sense today. I don't read posts with comprehension? Did you bother to read the title of this thread? Do you want to tell me how your post speaks to the title of this thread? I didn't think so.

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posted June 16, 2011 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
acoustic, you've always been a full bubble off plumb.

The article was placed on this thread because the Wisconsin legislative act limiting union bargining rights was brought up in the 2nd post...by Node.

Did you miss that when you questioned why I would post a related article?

Here's another for you to biatch and moan about.

June 16, 2011
Unions, Judicial Activists and Democrats Lose Big in the Badger State
By Gary Larson

Justice has been served in Wisconsin, with the rebuke of a judicial activist judge, union dues taking a hit, and Democrats losing a source of coerced donations.

What happened in the streets of Madison and in the unruly, mob-packed Capitol there in February and March, when enraged public workers, mostly teachers, took over, despoiling the place, was to us ordinary tax-paying folks, plainly despicable.

Events then foretold of a potential ripping of both the rule of law and doing fiscal damage to the state's taxpayers, besides physical damage to the Capitol. Thankfully, the law and fiscal sanity and some measure of respect for others' rights and property, finally prevailed when the Wisconsin Supreme Court Tuesday, June 14, sided with the Governor Scott Walker-led bill to curb some, but not all, collective bargaining "rights" of public employees.

After the law was enacted and signed by Gov. Walker, you'll recall, Judge Maryann Sumi, a liberal activist judge, issued first a temporary retraining order, then a permanent injunction barring it from going into effect. In this she was doing the bidding of union attorneys. Legal experts en masse predicted this week's high court decision, so outlandish was Judge Sumi's orders. The new budget-fixing law limits certain collective bargaining for public employees, not including law enforcement and firefighters, and forbade their unions from tapping members' government paychecks for automatic dues withdrawal.

(It is said by Madison insiders the automatic dues withdrawal feature going belly up was at the crux of union bosses' opposition. It was the inner-deeper-hidden-secret behind their implicit orders for the 14 Democrat state senators to flee the state rather than stand up and be counted. Shutting down the democratic process somehow held appeal for these pro-union senators. Do you think, just maybe, campaign contributions had something to do with it? Just wild speculation here.)

Judge Sumi's action was a morale boost, at least temporarily, for the big-spending unions' special interests, and their army of attorneys, intending from the beginning to toss the issue to the Wisconsin Supreme Court where blame could be assigned to those dang "conservative" judges. Judge Sumi's injunction order was not given a snowball's chance in hell, but she held firm. Liberal judges, same as major league baseball umpires, are never wrong? (Point here: Bum calls prevail.)

Gov. Walker, vilified by teachers and the ardent left (or am I being redundant here?) as Nazi-like, was magnanimous in his comments the day the high court struck down Judge Sumi's order, "vacating" it in legal terms. Said Gov. Walker: "The Superior Court's ruling provides our state the opportunity to move forward together and focus on getting Wisconsin working again." Let's hope the public union folks "get it," unlikely as that is. "Getting it" is hard to do.

The new law in its first year saves the state over $300 million, and a lot more later on, say number-crunchers. Importantly, not much discussed, the law gives local municipalities more leeway in budget-balancing negotiations with their public employee unions. Its local impact on hard-pressed communities can be nothing but salutary. And the new law whittles down the state's $3.5 billion budget deficit. Good things happen with steely resolve as displayed by Gov. Walker and the never-give-in "Rs" in the Badger State. Our hats off to them for taking the hateful heat.

In the aftermath of the high court's order, news media kept up their constant drumbeat that the new law "stripped" public employees naked of collective bargaining "rights." (Wages are still subject of collective bargaining, same as work rules not related to individual benefits such as pension contributions.)

Under the law, public employees must now help fund their own pensions (!) and contribute minimally to their health insurance costs. (Shades of emulating hard-pressed employees in the Obama-forsaken, cost-oppressed private sector.)

Predictably, the Associated Press's report of the high court decision subtly almost imperceptibly takes the side of the public employees. It must be recognized, of course, that major newspapers and electronic media too, are staffed by card-carrying members of another union, the Newspaper Guild. Perhaps bias is inherent in their pro-union stories?

AP writer Scott Bauer hews to the ripsaw view of "stripping" of collective benefits for public union members. He writes public employees are "stripped" of such "rights." Not so. Once called "fringe" benefits, but no longer, they are curtailed, yes. Why this blind spot in media coverage? Getting it wrong I mean. Any theories?

AP's Bauer is impressed with the minority chief justice's ornery dissent in the final 4-3 vote, calling her dissent "blistering" in one fawning reference, "fiery" in another. He quotes liberally (a-hem!) from Judge Shirley Abramson's dissent, calling her fellow jurists names, such as "storyteller." But Bauer does not quote from the strongly-worded majority opinion. Ah, but what does the majority opinion count for anyway? Not much it appears.

Not a mention in Bauer's tale about phony "sick leaves" taken by teachers to protest at the Capitol on full pay, closing schools in Madison and Milwaukee. Would they sanction that bogus excuse for their students? Those Get Out of Jail Free cards came from fellow public union activists at the Madison-based University of Wisconsin. Unions' collusion, anyone?

AP's report fails also to note that the new law, enacted by a duly elected majority, does not cover law enforcement or fire department people. Nor does Bauer mention boycott threats issued by union bigwigs against private businesses if they did not "support" the union position, a form of extortion. Ugliness does not get reported much if it pops up on the union side. Why is that? Such silence of mainstream about such travesties is deafening. Who, then, will tell the public?

At the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reporters Pat Marley and Don Walker side with the unions, deriding the Supreme Court as acting "with unusual speed." The judges, they wrote, "issued their order just [sic] one week after hearing oral arguments." Just think. One week! Tsk. Tsk.

Republicans, they add ominously, "run the Assembly," as if a holding majorities in both houses is some sort of crime.

Finally, in a concluding paragraph, the Journal-Sentinel guys -- omitting dirty details about the protests on "sick leave" and the hate-filled labeling of Gov. Walker as Hitler-like -- their version of events gets something right by a quote from the high court order itself:

"In its ruling Tuesday, the Supreme Court said it took up the case because the lower court had 'usurped the legislative power with the Wisconsin Constitution grants exclusively to the Legislature.'"

Rather than in its lead paragraph, though, or in the headline, the quote about usurpation from the high court's order appears in the Journal-Sentinel's very last paragraph. Talk about inverting the inverted news pyramid; this is it -- in spades.

An inadvertently humorous headline appears in the left-leaning Minneapolis (MN) Star Tribune. As recounted by primo blogger Powerline's John Hinderaker:

"Of course, the Democratic Party media are gnashing their teeth. This headline in the Minneapolis Star Tribune made me laugh -- 'Wisconsin Supreme Court lets polarizing union law pushed by Republican governor take effect.' And that was a news story, not an editorial."

State Senator Alberta Darling (R-River Hills) nails it when she said Judge Sumi "stepped all over the people of Wisconsin." Sadly, it's just the beginning of turf wars of the public employee unions using judicial activist judges as they try to wrest control of legislatures from We the People. Senator Darling is quoted:

"You think of all the chaos and discord and acrimony that's gone on in this Capitol as the result of her [Judge Sumi's] decision... [for] which she had no cause, no basis, no rule of law. She just did what she wanted for political reasons. To me, it was despicable."

Good word for it, despicable. Not one editorial writers in the mainstream will use, certainly, but fits like a glove.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/unions_judicial_activists_and_democrats_lose_big_in_the_badger_state.html

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posted June 16, 2011 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, here's a novel campaign approach...demoscat, naturally.

Just Smack Em!

Wis. Democrat Talks of 'Smacking' Woman Who Hung Up on Him
Tuesday, 14 Jun 2011 02:34 PM
By Tom O'Connell

Wisconsin Democratic state Rep. Fred Clark was caught on an answering-machine recording as saying he felt like hitting a woman who hung up on him when he called asking for support in a recall election against a state Senate Republican. When the woman, identified on the recording as Mrs. Stapleton, hung up, Clark kept talking, unaware that he was being recorded, reports DailyCaller.com.

“I feel like calling her back and smacking her around,” the Caller quotes him as saying.

The state’s Republican Party was quick to issue a statement berating Clark about the incident.

“This disturbing and inappropriate comment gives us an unfortunate glimpse of what Representative Clark is like when he thinks no one is listening,” said John Hogan, director of the Committee to Elect a Republican Senate in Wisconsin’s GOP. Hogan raised the specter of domestic violence in relation to the comment.

Clark is challenging Republican Sen. Luther Olsen in a recall election, one of several recall votes in the Badger State this summer related to Gov. Scott Walker's budget cuts.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Wisconsin-recall-Clark-elections/2011/06/14/id/400030

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posted June 16, 2011 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
spot the difference

talking about FEELING like smacking someone around on the phone "i feel like calling her back and smacking her around..."

and the blogmeister from last year urging his audience to "throw bricks" through democrat offices.

you never FELT LIKE hitting someone? or putting them down verbally because they were outrageously rude in your view? is that violence?

no it's a violent feeling of anger and possibly wish for revenge, but it does no one any harm. whereas throwing bricks, carrying guns into public meetings where feelings are liable to be high...those are excusable in your eyes.

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posted June 16, 2011 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
does no one see how pathetic and dangerous this continued polarization is? it brings everybody down, and achieves the purpose only of those who will use the anger to further control the situation. left/right is not really the issue anymore though there are extremists on all sides.

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posted June 16, 2011 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
The article was placed on this thread because the Wisconsin legislative act limiting union bargining rights was brought up in the 2nd post...by Node.

Just because that was brought up in here doesn't make your article anywhere near relevant to the thread title, whereas Node's post was speaking to the thread's title. You love creating threads. Surely you could start a new one.

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does no one see how pathetic and dangerous this continued polarization is?

Yes. Many people have long known that this polarization is detrimental to the Republic. Gets in the way of common sense. I don't see any extreme Left people here, however. I see a lot of common sense responding to ridiculousness.

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posted June 16, 2011 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hahahaha

That poor woman the demoscat idiot wants to smack had no duty to talk to him or listen to him in the first place. It was the demoscat hack who intruded into her space and when she got tired of hearing his bullshiiit, she hung up.

demoscats have a right to speak, have a right to politic, even have a right to lie...but everyone has a right to not listen to what they have to say....and especially when they're trying to do it on a phone they aren't paying for.

Hey, ain't America great?

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