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Glaucus
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posted February 24, 2011 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Government drops defense of anti-gay-marriage law


WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama ordered his administration on Wednesday to stop defending the constitutionality of a federal law that bans recognition of gay marriage, a policy reversal that could have major implications for the rights and benefits of gay couples and reignite an emotional debate for the 2012 presidential campaign.

Obama still is "grappling" with his personal views on whether gays should be allowed to marry but has long opposed the federal law as unnecessary and unfair, said spokesman Jay Carney.

First word of the change came not from the White House but from the Justice Department. Attorney General Eric Holder announced that Obama had concluded the 15-year-old Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, was legally indefensible.

The decision was immediately welcomed by gay rights organizations and vilified by those on the other side. Some Democrats in Congress praised the decision, while it drew criticism from some Republicans and the office of their leader, House Speaker John Boehner, all surely a preview of coming political debate over the latest development in the long-running national conversation about gay rights.

The outcome of that debate could have enormous impact because federal laws and regulations confer more than a thousand rights or benefits on those who are married, most involving taxpayer money — Social Security survivors' benefits, family and medical leave, equal compensation as federal employees and immigration rights.

"Much of the legal landscape has changed in the 15 years since Congress passed DOMA," Holder said in a statement explaining the decision.

As well, the social landscape has changed.

Since the law was passed in 1996, five states and the District of Columbia have approved gay marriage, and others allow civil unions. An Associated Press-National Constitution Center Poll conducted last August found 52 percent of Americans saying the federal government should give legal recognition to marriages between couples of the same sex.

Thirty states have constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. Same-sex marriage is legal in Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont and Washington, D.C.

The White House framed Obama's decision as one brought on by a legal deadline in one of several federal court cases challenging the constitutionality of the law which defines marriage as only between a man and a woman.

But Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., speculated Obama's decision was motivated more by political considerations: "It's only in the run-up to re-election that he's suddenly changed his mind."

Obama's reversal on this law had long been sought by gays, who overwhelmingly voted

for his election in 2008.

The Justice Department had defended the act in court until now. But Holder said Obama concluded the law fails to meet a rigorous standard under which courts view with suspicion any laws targeting minority groups, such as gays, who have suffered a history of discrimination — a stricter standard of scrutiny than the department has applied in the past.

Looking back to Congress' debate on the legislation, Holder said it was clear that there were "numerous expressions reflecting moral disapproval of gays and lesbians and their intimate and family relationships — precisely the kind of stereotype-based thinking and animus the (Constitution's) Equal Protection Clause is designed to guard against."

Gay rights activists noted that the president's move came just two months after Congress, urged on by the administration, voted to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prevented gays from serving openly in the military.

"This major turn should be a final nail in the coffin for the different treatment of gay and non-gay people by the federal government," said law professor Suzanne Goldberg, director of Columbia University's Center for Gender and Sexuality Law.

Ron Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, called the change "a tremendous step toward recognizing our common humanity and ending an egregious injustice against thousands of loving, committed couples who simply want the protections, rights and responsibilities afforded other married couples."

On the other side of the debate, reaction was vehement.

"On the one hand this is a truly shocking extra-constitutional power grab in declaring gay people are a protected class," said Maggie Gallagher of the conservative National Organization for Marriage. "The good news is this now clears the way for the House to intervene and to get lawyers in the courtroom who actually want to defend the law, and not please their powerful political special interests."

Boehner's spokesman, Michael Steel, issued a statement faulting Obama for stirring up the issue "while Americans want Washington to focus on creating jobs and cutting spending."

For now the law remains on the books, while challenges work through the courts. But Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., announced plans to introduce legislation to repeal it.

"My own belief is that when two people love each other and enter the contract of marriage, the federal government should honor that," she said.

At a December news conference, Obama said that his position on gay marriage was "constantly evolving." He has opposed such marriages and supported instead civil unions for gay and lesbian couples. The president said such civil unions are his baseline — at this point, as he put it.

"This is something that we're going to continue to debate, and I personally am going to continue to wrestle with going forward," he said

Marriage law in the U.S. historically has been a matter left to the states, but the federal law bars recognition of them by the federal government.

Thus a same-sex married couple in Vermont could file a joint state tax return but had to file their U.S. tax forms separately. Similarly, legally married same-sex spouses might be ordered to proceed separately though customs and immigrations checkpoints when returning to the U.S. from abroad, and a gay American married to a foreigner could not be sure that the spouse would be allowed to immigrate.

Among those affected by DOMA were a lesbian couple from New York City — Edith Windsor and Thea Spyer. After four decades together, they married in Canada in 2007, and that marriage was recognized in New York.

However, it was not recognized by the federal government. One result, according to lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, was a $350,000 federal tax on Spyer's estate when she died in 2009 that Windsor would not have had to pay if she were in a heterosexual marriage.

Windsor said she was elated by the Justice Department announcement.

"My only regret is that my beloved late spouse ... isn't here today to share in this historic moment," she said. "But in my heart, I feel that she knows."

The attorney general said the department will immediately bring the policy change to the attention of the federal courts now hearing Windsor's challenge in New York City and another case in Connecticut that challenges the federal government's denial of marriage-related protections for federal Family Medical Leave Act benefits, federal laws for private pension plans and federal laws concerning state pension plans.

Those two courts are in the nation's 2nd judicial circuit, where the circuit court has not ruled on the standard for judging this law. In Massachusetts, where the U.S. 1st Circuit Court has accepted the lower standard of scrutiny, which requires only a "rational basis" for the law, a federal district judge found the act to be unconstitutional. On appeal last month, the Justice Department argued in court papers that the Defense of Marriage Act was Congress' reasonable response to a debate among the states on same-sex marriage.

Jerry Savoy, a Connecticut man in a same-sex marriage who is among those challenging the law, welcomed Obama's action, saying he and his spouse were "no different than any other family living on our street." Savoy, a lawyer for a federal agency, said that because of the law he cannot include his spouse on his employer-provided health insurance.

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Associated Press writers David Crary in New York and Stephen Singer in Hartford, Conn., contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110223/ap_on_re_us/us_gay_marriage

This is one of the reasons why I voted for Barack Obama. Democratic Party supports the rights of homosexuals more than the Republican Party does. If you want a president who is more likely support the rights of homosexual, then it's best to elect a Democratic Party President.


The Democratic Party wasn't hijacked by liberals. It has just become progressive. It adapts to chronological progression, and that's the way it should be. We shouldn't be regressing. I don't want to USA to regress to the times of the founding fathers nor the Reagan administration.


Like most Americans, President Obama has an issue with same sex marriage. That's very understandable for same sex marriage is not the norm but the exception. He doesn't let his own personal beliefs interfere with the rights of homosexuals. I respect him for that. He knows the importance of separating church from state.


As a liberal, I support the separation of church and state. I am not a Christian, but I believe in God. I don't believe in God in the "man upstairs type of way" though. I believe in God in the universal way. I am pantheist,and so that I believe that all is done. I am not God-fearing. I am God-loving. If I fear God, I fear myself and everybody else. I love God, and so I love myself and others.

Homosexual people can't help who they love just like heterosexual people can't help who they love. It's hardwire into them.

I am also a strong believer in reincarnation. My belief includes that souls can have past lives as opposite genders.
Homosexual couples could have been heterosexual couples in pastlives. Maybe a lot of people believe in reincarnation. If so, then their religious rights are violated. It's not right to let your religious beliefs interfere with the rights of others.

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posted February 24, 2011 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As the leader of the Democratic party, shouldn't Obama be all for gay marriage? Yet he is personally against it. I happen to know many Republicans who support gay rights...and who actually are more supportive of equality in all its forms more so than the current President is. Not disagreeing with you, but I'm just sayin'. Equality crosses party lines.

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posted February 25, 2011 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LONG LIVE OBAMA!

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posted February 25, 2011 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could have been a case of, "I see the politcal landscape changing beyond what I can control, So I will be in favor of what the masses want so they will like me and keep me in place."

Survival.

*its just a flip side.

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posted February 25, 2011 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mblake81:
Could have been a case of, "I see the politcal landscape changing beyond what I can control, So I will be in favor of what the masses want so they will like me and keep me in place."

Survival.

*its just a flip side.


I will never be in favour of the masses or minority.

Im not a political fanatic...but i do tend to incline to the side which is rational and rightful..after going through other two topics below i thought i had to take a stand..whether for better or for worse..which i think is better than keeping mum.

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posted February 25, 2011 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rajji:
I will never be in favour of the masses or minority.

Im not a political fanatic...but i do tend to incline to the side which is rational and rightful..after going through other two topics below i thought i had to take a stand..whether for better or for worse..which i think is better than keeping mum.


All I want is that you know the difference, And you do.

Thanks.

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posted February 25, 2011 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Could have been a case of, "I see the politcal landscape changing beyond what I can control, So I will be in favor of what the masses want so they will like me and keep me in place."....Mblake81

Let's keep the record straight here Mblake81.

The "masses" as you call American citizens reject gay marriage.

In state after state where gay marriage was on the ballot as an initiative or banning gay marriage, gay marriage lost by substantial margins.

This is not a statement about the Constitutionality or non-Constitutionality of gay marriage.

I would be in agreement with you that Barack Hussein O'Bomber is a pandering fool.

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posted February 25, 2011 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The age old question:

who decides what is

rational and rightful.. ?

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posted February 25, 2011 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree.

I don't believe Obama is pandering.

He has a strong gay rights record before he was even elected president. He understands that times change. We progress with the times. Politics progress with the times.

If you look at Barack Obama's chart:
His Ascendant is in Aquarius. He has a Uranus-North Node conjunction in Leo in 7th house square Scorpio/Taurus Midheaven. He was born to be progressive and to be a person that promotes change.

As a president, homosexual people have had good things going for him since he took office. For instance, violence against homosexuals is now a hate crime. Homosexuals can now legally enter the military. Now Barack Obama is pulling support for gay marriage act.

It's not a surprise.


If you look at how he votes on the issues in regards to homosexual rights, then you can see that homosexual rights are progressing under his administration is not a surprise.


I don't care if a majority are against gay marriage.
Let's not forget that interracial sex/relationships/marriages were banned in USA until June 12 1967 which was only 4 years before I was born to an interracial couple and only 6 years after he was born to an interracial couple. Majority of people in the USA were against those type of relationships.

Just because a majority is against something doesn't necessarily mean that thing is wrong.

Here is how President Barack Obama votes on the issues in regards to the rights of homosexual people


favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+2 points on Social scale)

Gays should not face discrimination but should not marry: Opposes topic 3

Decisions about marriage should be left to the states: Opposes topic 3

Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality: Favors topic 3

We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions: Favors topic 3

Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality: Favors topic 3

Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is: Favors topic 3

Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws: Favors topic 3

Increase funding for AIDS treatment & prevention: Favors topic 3

Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3

Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3

NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

overall he favors same-sex domestic partnership benefits
and he is rated Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance.
That's almost 90 percent.

This was before he was elected.

That's one of the reasons that I donated to him and voted for him. He does support homosexual rights. Anybody that can't see that hasn't seen his voting record.

It really bothered me that my home state California was easily won by Barack Obama, but Anti Gay-Marriage Proposition 8 passed here in California. It really bothered me that a vast majority of Blacks voted for Barack Obama, but a majority of Blacks voted for Proposition 8.

I voted for Barack Obama, and I voted against Proposition 8 because I believe in equality.

I am not all Black though. As a person that is part Black, I believe that all minorities should have rights. I support both Black rights and homosexual rights. I believe Blacks should have sympathize with gays because both are minorities. My belief is that all people are created equal,and so all people should have full rights as a person. Those beliefs are the core of who I am.
My Sun in Scorpio oppose/conjunct Eris Nodes (Heliocentric,Geocentric) in Taurus/Scorpio with 10 minute orb. It is fitting that I was born exactly 5 years after National Organization for Women (NOW) was founded. That organization is just about women's rights but also support equal rights for all,and that includes homosexuals.

Just because I vote for Barack Obama doesn't mean that I have to be against homosexual rights.

Just because he changed his mind about an issue doesn't mean that he is pandering.

A lot of people change their minds about issues. It's having to do with progression and changing with the times. Stagnation is not a good thing. I wouldn't want to live in the times of Founding Fathers where non-whites,gays,and women had little or no rights compared to whites,straights,and men.



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posted February 25, 2011 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Another reason why I voted for Barack Obama is that he strongly supports women's rights

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+5 points on Social scale)


Expand access to contraception; reduce unintended pregnancy: Favors topic 1

Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007: Strongly Favors topic 1

Voted against banning partial birth abortion: Favors topic 1

Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases: Favors topic 1

Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1

Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters: Favors topic 1

Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill: Favors topic 1

Protect a woman’s right to choose: Strongly Favors topic 1

Supports Roe v. Wade: Strongly Favors topic 1

Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1

Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1

Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1

NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1

NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1

YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1

NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1

YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm


Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007: Strongly Favors topic 1

Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1

Overall, he strongly supports women's rights.
It really bothered me when there were Hillary Clinton supporters that voted or even considered voting for John McCain who doesn't support women's rights overall.

Supports Fair Pay Act: equal pay for equal work: Strongly Favors topic 2
Racial equality good for America as a whole: Favors topic 2
Keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day’s work: Strongly Favors topic 2
Past discrimination affects future generations: Strongly Favors topic 2
Fight job discrimination to give women equal footing at jobs: Strongly Favors topic 2
Include class-based affirmative action with race-based: Favors topic 2
Better enforce women’s pay equity via Equal Pay Act: Strongly Favors topic 2
Supports affirmative action in colleges and government: Strongly Favors topic 2
Opposes CA Prop. 8, one-man-one-woman marriage: Strongly Favors topic 2
America’s race and class problems are intertwined: Favors topic 2
Get minorities into home ownership & global marketplace: Favors topic 2
Ending racial profiling is part of fight for justice: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill for a Rosa Parks commemorative postage stamp: Favors topic 2
Rated 100% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Afghan law tolerating marital rape is abhorrent: Strongly Favors topic 2
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

Barack is not just a strong supporter of the rights of blacks and other racial minorities, he is also a strong supporter of women's rights.


That's another reason why I voted for him.

He supports equality for all people.

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posted February 25, 2011 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

This is President Obama's Voting before he was elected President in regards to civil rights.


Barack Obama on Civil Rights


# Admired repeated acts of "self-creation" by Malcolm X. (Aug 2008)
# Has stood together with Latino leaders for last 20 years. (Jun 2008)
# Hate crimes related to the immigration issue is unacceptable. (Feb 2008)
# People want to move beyond our divisions. (Jan 2008)
# 2004 DNC speech merged “heritage” with “diversity”. (Dec 2007)
# The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties. (Oct 2007)
# 1980s boss predicted Obama would be heir to MLK’s voice. (Aug 2007)
# Racial equality good for America as a whole. (Jun 2007)
# Put the Confederate flag in a museum, not the state house. (Apr 2007)
# Muslim heritage gives Obama unique influence in Muslim world. (Oct 2006)
# No black or white America--just United States of America. (Oct 2006)
# Gays should not face discrimination but should not marry. (Oct 2004)
# Forthright on racial issues and on his civil rights history. (Jul 2004)
# Defend freedom and equality under law. (May 2004)
# Politicians: don’t use religion to insulate from criticism. (Apr 2004)
# Miscegenation a felony in 1960 when Obamas practiced it. (Aug 1996)
# The civil rights movement was a success. (Aug 1996)


Affirmative Action
# Keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day’s work. (Aug 2008)
# Past discrimination affects future generations. (Jul 2008)
# Apply affirmative action to poor white college applicants. (Apr 2008)
# Community organizing continues the civil rights movement. (Apr 2008)
# Legalized discrimination meant blacks could not amass wealth. (Mar 2008)
# Fight job discrimination to give women equal footing at jobs. (Feb 2008)
# Remove discriminatory barriers to the right to vote. (Feb 2008)
# Benefited from affirmative action but overcame via merit. (Dec 2007)
# Include class-based affirmative action with race-based. (Oct 2007)
# Better enforce women’s pay equity via Equal Pay Act. (Aug 2007)
# Blacks should infiltrate mainstream to affect change. (Aug 2007)
# Commitment to diversity by CEOs is advisable. (Mar 2007)
# African-Americans vote Democratic because of issue stances. (Jul 2004)
# Supports affirmative action in colleges and government. (Jul 1998)


Gay Rights
# Opposes CA Prop. 8, one-man-one-woman marriage. (Jul 2008)
# Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. (Nov 2007)
# Decisions about marriage should be left to the states. (Oct 2007)
# Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality. (Oct 2007)
# Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007)
# Has any marriage broken up because two gays hold hands? (Aug 2007)
# We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions. (Aug 2007)
# Legal rights for gays are conferred by state, not by church. (Aug 2007)
# Disentangle gay rights from the word “marriage”. (Aug 2007)
# Gay marriage is less important that equal gay rights. (Aug 2007)
# Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007)
# Let each denominations decide on recognizing gay marriage. (Jul 2007)
# Pass ENDA and expand hate crime legislation. (Mar 2007)
# Opposed 1996 Illinois DOMA bill. (Mar 2007)
# Supports health benefits for gay civil partners. (Oct 2006)
# Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)
# Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is. (Oct 2004)
# Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws. (Jul 1998)


Voting Record
# Strengthen the Americans with Disabilities Act. (Aug 2007)
# Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
# Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
# Ending racial profiling is part of fight for justice. (Jan 2001)
# Sponsored bill for special-needs evacuation plans. (Sep 2005)
# Sponsored bill for a Rosa Parks commemorative postage stamp. (Dec 2005)
# Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
# Rated 100% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
# Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery. (Jun 2008)
# Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees. (Dec 2007)
# Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment. (Mar 2007)
# Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements. (Jan 2008)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm


note:
# Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)


# Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)

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posted February 26, 2011 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thankyou Glaucus...very insightful

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quote:
Originally posted by juniperb:

The age old question:

[b]who decides what is

rational and rightful.. ?

[/B]


Who decides what is rational and rightful...?

Well...as for me.. the answer is neither Minority nor Majority.
Neither A repulican nor A democrat.
Neither A Black or A White.
..thats for sure.
WHAT is rather than WHO is -is What decides being rational and rightful.

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I think Prop 8 turned out to be oddly marketed by both sides as if they were trying to market to the opposite team. The No on 8 signs looked conservative navy blue and white, while the Yes on 8 signs were a nice, gay yellow and blue.

To the non-politically-minded a passing glance at one of these signs, and you'd guess the party behind each was the opposite of what it was. I have to wonder what would have happened if the color schemes suggested the parties the signs belonged to. A rainbow-colored sign would have been a pretty clear indicator of the promoter of gay marriage.

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posted February 27, 2011 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rajji:
Thankyou Glaucus...very insightful

Thanks
Now you understand why I voted for Barack Obama and why I will again if there isn't a better Democratic candidate.

He really is for equality. He even understands the Constitution was originally flawed, and so a lot of Amendments were added to it.

He can go against his own personal beliefs for the sake of equality.

Unlike him, I totally believe in my mind,heart,and soul that homosexual marriage should be a right. Civil Rights should include homosexual marriages.

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posted February 28, 2011 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Glaucus:

He can go against his own personal beliefs for the sake of equality.

Unlike him, I totally believe in my mind,heart,and soul that homosexual marriage should be a right. Civil Rights should include homosexual marriages.


Now this is what i wanted to know?...WHY?or WHY NOT? Im starting a topic in sweet peas in the rain and would like to know your views too regarding same sex marriage..i will post my views there...

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posted February 28, 2011 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is a heated topic. This would be the best Forum for it.

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posted February 28, 2011 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okey randall!...you can move it here.. I have already posted it there...i will repost it here if you wish...or you can move it here...

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O'Bomber is soooo good..."President O'Bomber is for equality". Right! Tilt!


House Oversight Committee likely to investigate White House for treating non-union employees worse than unionized after GM bailout
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller | Published: 12:38 AM 03/07/2011 | Updated: 1:56 AM 03/07/2011

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A spokesman for Issa’s committee told The Daily Caller the committee “remains interested” and is “looking forward” to findings from an ongoing Government Accountability Office investigation, which is expected to come out within the next couple of months. What Turner and Burton are saying happened during the GM bailout is that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner decided to cut pensions for salaried non-union employees at Delphi, a GM spinoff, to expedite GM’s emergence from bankruptcy. The problem with that, according to the congressmen, is that Geithner decided to fully fund the pensions of union workers involved in the process – including workers associated with United Auto Workers, Steelworkers and the IUE-CWA.

“This is a terrible injustice. This is a political decision, not a legal or financial decision,” Turner said in a phone interview with TheDC. “There were people who were penalized and people were chosen as winners and losers. The White House, the administration and the Auto Task Force (ATF) decided who were going to receive their pensions and who were not.”....
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/07/house-oversight-committee-likely-to-investigate-why-white-house-treated-non-union-employees-worse-than-union-employees-after-gm-bailout/

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glaucus, i've missed you!

i was neptune5, do you remember me?

i thought i heard earlier that you left linda-land, i certainly dont see you on the new astrology board any longer,

i remember you gave me a link to a natal fixed star report, it was so enlightening,

do you remember me?

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