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jwhop
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posted April 06, 2011 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't it wonderful that O'Bomber wanted to give America a Socialist Single Payer health care system like Britain's?

A Socialist health care system in which people die waiting to be treated; where those in pain had to pull their own teeth; where women had to deliver their babies in the parking lots of Socialist hospitals; where emergeny patients had to wait 2 or more hours in an ambulance before getting into a Socialist hospital to be seen; where hospital patients were taken off food, water and medication and left to die..against their will..and against the will of their families..under a program named NICE; where NHS administrative bureaucrats outnumber physicians by at least 2 to 1; where bureaucrats decide who will live and who will die.

Now, we find not much has changed. Even with the so called revamping of the NHS.

Now, isn't it wonderful that 27 States sued the Feds over O'BomberCare?

Isn't it wonderful that the US House of Representatives Repealed O'BomberCare?

Isn't it wonderful that the US House of Representatives totally cut off all money to fund any part of O'BomberCare and the vast bureaucracy O'BomberCare was to spawn?

Yes!!!

5 April 2011
Surgeons raise alarm over waiting
By Branwen Jeffreys
Health correspondent, BBC News
NHS given waiting times warning

Surgeons say patients in some parts of England have spent months waiting in pain because of delayed operations or new restrictions on who qualifies for treatment.

In several areas routine surgery was put on hold for months, while in many others new thresholds for hip and knee replacements have been introduced...........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12964360

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posted April 06, 2011 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dad was pushed to the side for hours in the ER because they were too busy to deal with him. It made a nightmare of a time even worse.

I've also had to wait a very long time to be seen when I've had to go to the ER.

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jwhop
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posted April 06, 2011 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand how frustrating that would be T.

But, I'm talking about emergency patients taken to the hospital in an ambulance with a life threatening medical emergency. AND

I didn't state the full case. In Britain, emergency patients not only waited 2 hours or more in the back of an ambulance waiting to get into the hospital; after they were taken into the hospital, they waited 2 or more hours in the lobby or corridors stacked up like cord wood waiting to see a physician.

The Socialist National Health Service needs a hell of a lot more doctors and a hell of a lot less bureaucrat administrators. But, Socialist systems...of all types, are a hell of lot less concerned about efficiency than they are about bureaucracy...which they embrace wholeheartedly.

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posted April 06, 2011 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are and have been plenty of terrible wait times for the emergency room in our country.

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jwhop
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posted April 06, 2011 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you care to provide a few credible examples of people with life threatening medical emergencies like....heart attack, stroke, drug overdose, gunshot wound, severed artery..etc, etc, etc...waiting up to 4 hours or more at an American hospital to be wheeled in to see an emergency room doctor?

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posted April 06, 2011 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i experienced a very similar experience in new york state in 1984, where the hospital refused to admit me because i was from out of town and wouldn't pay up front to be let in...

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posted April 07, 2011 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can find plenty of information about the wait time at American hospitals yourself, Jwhop.

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jwhop
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posted April 08, 2011 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel the wind from your lips flapping acoustic...but I don't see you backing up your comment with any facts.

Perhaps in 1984 people could be refused medical treatment if they couldn't pay or submit an insurance card.

I don't know when the law was changed but that's not the case now.

I notice you didn't say you had a medical life threatening emergency katatonic. I notice you didn't say you arrived at a hospital in an ambulance either!

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emitres
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posted April 08, 2011 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in your opening post jwhop you specifically state " routine " surgery as does the article... how did that become life threatening medical emergency? or does your definition of routine differ from everyone elses?

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jwhop
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posted April 08, 2011 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, my standards for speech haven't changed.

The article does mention..in one area..routine surgery. Hip and knee replacement surgery is only "routine" if you're not the one suffering your long wait in severe pain.

Further, my listing of the deficiencies of the Socialist health care system in Britain cover a wide range of incompetence and indifference to suffering and life threatening injuries and diseases on the part of Health bureaucrats.

I'm unaware of any "rules" which restrict comments to the focus of an article. Especially when an entity such as the NHS has established over many years that they are incompetent to provide even mediocre health care to fully paid up subscribers and a list of horrors is provided to make that point.

Further, it's no secret that O'Bomber favors a single payer Socialist health care system like that found in Britain and is on record...video tape....saying so.
http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-in-03-id-like-to-see-a-single-payer-health-care-plan/

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posted April 08, 2011 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps in 1984 people could be refused medical treatment if they couldn't pay or submit an insurance card yes the EMTALA came in in 86, HOWEVER i COULD pay and they were given ample documentation...

actually i was carrying a million dollars worth of travel insurance, the admitting doctor (or attempting to) was my mother's longtime family doc who worked at that hospital, and YES, i arrived in an ambulance and laid on a stretcher trolley for quite some time in a hallway before they would admit me because they wanted payment UP FRONT.

the supply of a local address where they could send bills finally convinced them...oh and the word-in-their-ears from one of the top doctors on their roster who was a family friend.

as to life threatening, i only started to recover after a near-death experience in the middle of the third night there.

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posted April 09, 2011 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In his case it was a gunshot wound and we waited about 5 hours, he was still alive the whole time. Was a full moon and the ER was packed. He got flown in and wasnt priority.

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posted April 09, 2011 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
I'm unaware of any "rules" which restrict comments to the focus of an article. [/URL]

no... no rules in place per say.. however, YOU were the one who brought it up and only changed your "tactics" when others pointed out that you were in error...again... seems to be a common theme with you... perhaps you should start focusing on other things to debate about - the health care issue is not working out for you

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jwhop
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posted April 09, 2011 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
I'm unaware of any "rules" which restrict comments to the focus of an article. [/URL]
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no... no rules in place per say.. however, YOU were the one who brought it up and only changed your "tactics" when others pointed out that you were in error...again... seems to be a common theme with you... perhaps you should start focusing on other things to debate about - the health care issue is not working out for you


..emitres

Brought what up?

Nothing I said about the British NHS is in any way...in error.

Further, the law in the United States prohibits those seeking medical attention from being denied..or turned away.

Let me remind everyone.

O'BomberCare is not about medical treatment, it's not about "health care". O'BomberCare is about "health insurance" and there's a hell of a lot of difference between medical care and medical insurance.

The law in the United States makes it mandatory people receive medical care whether or not they have the ability to pay or have medical insurance.

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katatonic
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posted April 09, 2011 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
some chance! the law insists that someone be admitted to ER and ASSESSED or stabilized, whether they can pay or not. it does not entitle one to ANYthing else! and in most cases if you cannot PROVE you can't pay, you will get a big fat bill very soon after.

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