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Chahldean
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posted April 13, 2011 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chahldean     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Halo All Concerned City Zens

(in the borders of the USA and Hawaii)

I believe a request
to protest gas prices belongs in this Forum....
as the "Global Unity" implies.

Knowing how ridiculous
the whole fossil fuel debate is
and continues to Be,
I received an email stating

A Gas Protest on >APRIL 15th< ...tax day;
to NOT BUY ANY GAS period on that day!

Hopefully "sending a message"
to the powers that Be
that enough is enough
and the working person
cannot afford to afford gas to get to work???
Never mind go on any vacation.

Crazy as it sounds,
Please think Globally and act locally
and pass it on....


This has been a public service announcement.

Signed,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Activist

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katatonic
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posted April 13, 2011 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
better to get on yer bike, mate! one day of protest and the next day their sales are extra high, unless we get out of our cars and not just for one day...

when i was growing up my parents and my friends' parents carpooled us to school (no bus available) though they could easily afford the gas...they were not so spoiled in those days and refused to "waste" gas and time on principle. just a little backbone would send the robber barons scuttling for ways to induce us back to the pumps.

but how many people are that determined to exercise the power we definitely hold?

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jwhop
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posted April 13, 2011 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chahldean, is your "gas protest" intended to change behavior?

If so, whose behavior do you wish to change?

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Chahldean
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posted April 13, 2011 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chahldean     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Halo Kat

Only the one's that know that they have IT
And aren't afraid to do something about IT.

Halo jwop

Not really.
It is not "my gas protest"
but merely an attempt to pass on an "idea" hear;
in a place that invokes and pre-ports "Unity"
to those who may Be interested
Is All.

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jwhop
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posted April 13, 2011 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I see. This is a symbolic protest intended to change nothing.

Well, in that case, how about this. Scrap the protest and do the usual. Wear a ribbon to show concern.

I suggest a Puce colored ribbon. All the other colors have been taken to signify concern about other matters.

Better yet, bake some Cookies and decorate them in a Puce colored topping; then send them to the White House addressed to Barack Hussein O'Bomber. He, and his no drill, no where, no how policy is the main culprit in rising gasoline prices.

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mochai
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posted April 14, 2011 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People need to realize that it's cool to icebike...

yes.. and people commute that way in the alaskan interior http://www.icebike.org/

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katatonic
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posted April 15, 2011 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't suppose companies, like the koch bros, hoarding supplies bought when crude was cheap, with intent to keep prices up, has ANYthing to do with this ridiculous rise due to the LIBYAN unrest? when libya produces a tiny fraction of the oil we import?

when you realize how long it would take to actually harvest gas from newly opened home drill sites, and how QUICKLY the price drops every time such a moratorium is lifted, you have to add 2+2 and see there are other factors in the chain of events... and not just on OPEC's side.

while a civic-minded company would be releasing their spare reserves, our big oil men are doing nothing of the kind. gotta love it!

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posted April 15, 2011 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't wait for the pluto uranus square. More civil unrest will break out in the middle east and gas prices will be insane..

Yes the prices are overinflated for the Libyan unrest. They must think we are stupid. I boycott car usage whenever possible.

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jwhop
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posted April 15, 2011 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Getting supplies of crude oil to turn into gasoline isn't the proplem. There's no shortage of crude.

American refineries are running at near max capacity.

Of course, the anti-civilization crowd has made it almost impossible to build new refineries in the US...or even increase capacity of existing refineries.

Obviously, you don't know why oil prices went up in the first place, why they came down when Bush said drill and why they went back up again when O'Bomber said..No Drilling.

When O'Bomber said he was going to "Transform America", most people didn't think he meant transform America into a 19th Century economy.

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posted April 15, 2011 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no we need the robber barons for that, and they are waiting eagerly in the wings, aren't they now? you keep moving the goal post, jwhop, if it's not too heavy for you! enjoy.

yesterday you claimed bush saved us all by lifting a moratorium on drilling. drilling takes a long time to get to the gas pumps and you know it. drilling would not give OPEC any sleepless nights for years. however the holding back of reserves gives them plenty of leverage. it's been done before and it's nothing to do with libya or anything else but crafty (if greedy) business practices by our own as well as the arabs.

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posted April 15, 2011 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You keep talking about "robber barons".

Care to name any of them here...and their connection to high gas prices?

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posted April 16, 2011 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
okay jwhop. the kochs for a start, who have in the past and probably now are sitting on reserves that could bring the price of gas down if they chose HOWEVER that would not make the current government look bad enough for them...so they buy people to blame the unions who ensure reasonable wages and conditions for those "greedy" workers;

BP, whose performance in the gulf is only overshadowed by profits they made from what was a disaster for the common folk in the area;

GE, who are heavily invested in renewable power technology so not averse to the price of gas going through the roof...

goldman sachs, breaker of nations through bad investment/loan making and advising...

crikey, even david icke who despises big government can see what the push to deregulate EVERYTHING is about. it is NOT about making it possible for everyman to pull himself up by his bootstraps!

my list, like my knowledge, is far from comprehensive but even a five year old can see and read between the lines.

and how about michelle bachman, who has collected subsidies from the government in the hundreds of thousands for her family's farming business, but is screaming about welfare recipients?

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jwhop
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posted April 16, 2011 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you even know what businesses Koch Industries owns...and what those businesses do?

Who says the Koch Brothers are sitting on crude oil reserves they refuse to bring to the market?

BP paid 15 Billion dollars to a commission headed by an O'Bomber appointee who was supposed to distribute the money to those injured by the oil spill. Instead, states, counties and cities wound up with lots of the money to waste on items totally unrelated to spilled oil.

You forgot, you were talking about "robber barons". Yet, the only individuals you mentioned were the Koch brothers and you failed to back up your allegations they are sitting on crude oil reserves.

I can't see any reason to engage the unreasonable in reasonable debate. You throw around allegations...none of which you so much as attempt to prove. Typical leftist fringe rhetoric of class warfare, envy and greed.

Try..for once...to focus on what you're saying....and, for once do your homework before you shoot off your keyboard.

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Chahldean
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posted April 16, 2011 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chahldean     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Halo jwop

Ok.
I'll play along hear...
there can be no harm
adding more empty words.
(Thanks for leaving me a little room here though)

Puce? Interesting choice of color....
Color tells a lot about a person.
Although, technically it is not a color,
it's a shade.... of red.
Perhaps to match the shoes?
Just glad it wasn't "pinko."

Then I would really be concerned.

And as far as ribbons go....
Not one to wear such frivolity,
especially if your wearing red shoes!

You might be taken in the wrong light.

I will agree though,
about the ineffectiveness
of a "symbolic" protest here....
It seems it hasn't worked
in Global Unity for years now.

( oops I meant )


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katatonic
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posted April 16, 2011 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop you have been pushing lies and suppositions since i first came here, why would you expect any serious debator to engage you? i'm only putting a little "shadow of a doubt" in to relieve the monotony of your slander and hyperbole about obama being the next stalin/hitler/takeyourpick...why not just call him the antichrist and have done with it?

let's see, i think it was tom hartmann who mentioned the kochs and their reserves. they are in more than one business as far as i can see(like buying governors, for instance), but the reason i don't come up with more "names" is because the common M.O. these days is to hide, faceless, behind the corporate banner.

BP may well have forked over 15 billion (it was supposed to be 20 as i recall) but they MADE a good deal more than that what with playing the stocks game, and got away with even more...

who would you give the money to? have the locals line up from new orleans to timbuctoo and hand them each...how much? thought you didn't like handouts?

what would you call doing my homework? would you like me to paste a few outrageously slanted blog entries to make it juicier for you?

this is no court of law, nor am i pretending to be relaying the news...in a conversation that has no rules, and with a conversationalist who considers personal verbal abuse an argument...

your disclaimer that you are just here to tick leftists off and be inflammatory keeps coming back on you, doesn't it? yet you would like others to play by roberts rules or somesuch? lmaokmb!!

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posted April 16, 2011 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Point taken Chahldean.

Well, you've been saying that for a long time katatonic.

"jwhop you have been pushing lies and suppositions since i first came here"...katatonic

Funny how you never seem to get around to pointing out just what those lies are.

On the other hand, I've been very specific about the mendacity you've shown on this site.

The Koch brothers are not in the oil exploration business, oil drilling, or oil well/field business...so far as I know. They own pipelines and refineries. Now katatonic, if your information is different, post it here and let's have a look at it.

Otherwise, there's no way the Koch brothers are holding crude oil off the market. Further katatonic, with O'Bomber crude prices back over $105 per barrel...it would be a stupid business decision to hold back crude oil...if they had it.

It would be nice...and a pleasant surprise IF you could point to a credible source where you saw some of the nonsense you post. As it is, it appears you just make it up as you go along.

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posted April 16, 2011 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes and it would be nice if you actually read my posts since you seem to be doing a poor facsimile of speedreading, as in read the first two words and the last two and fill in the blanks with your own impression of what i said! but hey, we can dream, can't we?

by your own admission, jwhop, you haven't bothered much with the truth for some time now, since you decided that was too good for all leftists because a few offended you...perhaps instead of eating that mouse you should have let him get you out of the trap you walked into!

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posted April 17, 2011 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"by your own admission, jwhop, you haven't bothered much with the truth for some time now, since you decided that was too good for all leftists because a few offended you"...katatonic

Another lie katatonic. I've said no such thing. I made it clear...several times...that though leftists were lying and still are lying about Bush, I would tell the truth about leftists and I have.

So, this is just you katatonic..shooting your mouth off again.

Not my fault that leftists...and especially the little leftist Messiah O'Bomber provide such a target rich environment.

I certainly have enjoyed watching leftists tie themselves in knots trying to defend the indefensible Barack Hussein O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades.

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posted April 17, 2011 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you for yet another example of your "truthfulness" jwhop. were you born on madison avenue? cause it seems you think that if every ten minutes you repeat something it will be mistaken for truth by everyone...

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posted April 17, 2011 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're babbling again katatonic.

The best friend O'Bomber has IS Wall Street. AND, the best friend Wall Street has IS Barack Hussein O'Bomber.

Your main problem is that you listen to O'Bomber rhetoric and drink the Kool-Aid, when you should be Looking at what's going on.

So, have you discovered what businesses the Koch brothers own and operate...yet?

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posted April 18, 2011 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
thank you for yet another example of your "truthfulness" jwhop. were you born on madison avenue? cause it seems you think that if every ten minutes you repeat something it will be mistaken for truth by everyone...

I thought you knew.. that's how the truth is made!


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posted April 18, 2011 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is it that Linda Goodman said mochai?

Oh yeah, now I remember....The truth can't be repeated too often.

But, I'm pretty sure Linda Goodman meant the "actual truth" as opposed to leftist truth...which can be accurately defined as...whatever people can be made to believe.

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posted April 18, 2011 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you're doing a lot of backpeddling today, jwhop. first you contradict yourself about our duty to police the world, now you're saying obama is in bed with wall street (which if you REMEMBER the other day you denied when i pointed it out...) . suffering from withdrawal symptoms now the price of gas in florida is higher than anywhere in the country? or WOT?

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posted April 19, 2011 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, have you discovered what businesses the Koch brothers own and operate...yet katatonic?

I never said O'Bomber is in bed with Wall Street. O'Bomber is using Wall Street or some on Wall Street who will allow themselves to be used to promote O'Bomber's Socialist agenda. Which is not inconsistent with some on Wall Street using O'Bomber for the perks he's handed out to his favored few business types.

I'm neither backtracking or backpedaling katatonic. Your crystal ball is fogged up.

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posted April 19, 2011 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wall street has been running the oval office if not all of DC for several administrations now, jwhop. the president has precious little elbow room in which to manoever, if in fact he even tries. and that goes for "your" presidents and the others too. why do you think the SAME people are in obama's office as in bush's? do you really think either obama or bush called the shots? maybe a few chess moves...not much more. the taxpayers paid to set up a lot of agencies and watchdogs, etc, only to see them privatized one by one. the same will happen with anything obama's admin puts in place unless the taxpayers insist on taking it all back. but when will that happen?

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