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Rogue Guru
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posted April 17, 2011 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Erm, well, yes, but I meant if he was an actual sheep...

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Ami Anne
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posted April 17, 2011 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ROTF

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Life is lived in the sand box.

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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juniperb
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posted April 17, 2011 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to GU

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~The Earth Laughs In Flowers~
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Rogue Guru
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posted April 17, 2011 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Juni!

Pic reminds me of a quote:

"Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." - Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society (1953)

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jwhop
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posted April 17, 2011 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey rogue, you make a wonderful butt-boy for the conspiracy crowd.

When are you going to wise up?

Now me, I'm on record as favoring Mother Nature's selection of the fittest plan.

Under Mother Nature's Plan the lazy, the stupid, the greedy and the conspiracy butt-boys would never have been born in this age. Something big with sharp teeth would have eaten their ancestors or someone would have simply killed them for their transgressions...especially stupidity.

Bertrand Russell is a case in point. Under Mother Nature's Plan Bertrand Russell and other pseudo-intellectuals, Socialists, Communists and other Collectivist would never have been born. And, if per chance a regressive gene appeared in later ages and produced a shiftless pseudo-intellectual who couldn't find his own ass..well then, as soon as he started babbling nonsense, someone would have killed him; which would have been the very best outcome. Removing defective genes from the gene pool IS Mother Nature's Plan.

The problem with all these pseudo-intellectual Socialists, Communists and other Collectivists is that they won't leave people alone.

They all become deluded enough to believe they are Gurus who should be listened to, when in reality, they are the least intellectually fit among us. They sail through life on government grants and other government handouts and never in their entire lives produce a damned thing of value to society.

Too bad humans got involved and subverted the Plan.

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 19, 2011 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, J, I don't speak Sheepinese. All I heard was "Baa baa baaa! Baa baaa baa baa!"

Maybe Google has a translator...

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jwhop
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posted April 19, 2011 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you need a translator to dechiper what I said Rogue then you're even more out of touch with reality than I already thought.

Now Rogue, while you're on google looking for a plain English translator, enter Gurus. You'll only get 18 million hits.

Gurus are a dime a dozen.

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Quinnie
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posted April 19, 2011 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very funny Rogue!

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katatonic
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posted April 19, 2011 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bertrand russell, the EARL, a communist? you mean because, like abs, he recognized we are all in this together? DESPITE his position and money?

oh i forgot, he came from a time when the rich felt it was their DUTY to help those with less...a little phrase "noblesse oblige" describes him perfectly. while our own, homegrown nobles, the donald trumps and koch brothers, believe in the every-man-for-himself ethic that has swallowed the republican party...

all russell did was discuss his ideas. he didn't try to rule with them.

but hey, jwhop, i'm in ab's corner. let's love each other and find a way out of this instead of trying to SQUASH the other side all the time.

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jwhop
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posted April 19, 2011 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You will never learn the lesson katatonic.

Do your homework.

"For my part, while I am as convinced a Socialist as the most ardent Marxian, I do not regard Socialism as a gospel of proletarian revenge, nor even, primarily, as a means of securing economic justice. I regard it primarily as an adjustment to machine production demanded by considerations of common sense, and calculated to increase the happiness, not only of proletarians, but of all except a tiny minority of the human race.
—Bertrand Russell, "The Case for Socialism" (In Praise of Idleness, 1935, pg. 81)"

Russell rejected...Bolshevism, Soviet style Communism, not Communism itself.

Bertrand Russell should be considered a colossal failure. The socio-economic-governmental system he championed has been and continues be a gigantic dud with no successes at which to point.

Some things never change katatonic. You're still in defense of the indefensible...Socialism.

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted April 19, 2011 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now now My scented Jwhop! Let's not lose sight of the fact that We are all stuck on the little blue ball together.

We can find nice ways of playing together.

Rogue, you've been here long enough to know, that if you start a post with Jwhop and calling him a sheep he's going to get all Leoninely disgruntled. Take it from someone who knows.

More cookies for everyone!

And chocolate too

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jwhop
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posted April 19, 2011 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rogue isn't Rogue. Not a Guru either.

He's the passive-aggressive Paras hiding behind a new screen name.

Give him some warm milk and a cookie.

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted April 20, 2011 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now now....just look forward to your Old Sweat, and don't take it personal ok?

PLEEEEESE?

With cookies on top.

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 20, 2011 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AbsintheDragonfly:

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Rogue, you've been here long enough to know, that if you start a post with Jwhop and calling him a sheep he's going to get all Leoninely disgruntled.

Ummm.. yeah. I know. Your point?

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted April 20, 2011 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rogue Guru:
AbsintheDragonfly:

Ummm.. yeah. I know. Your point?


THen you shouldn't be surprised if he takes a swipe at you.

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jwhop
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posted April 20, 2011 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, he's not surprised.

He just wanted his persecution complex stroked.

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 20, 2011 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AD, when did I say (or even imply) that I was surprised? You feelin' okay today?

I've been at this game so long I've become better at it than he is... he just hasn't realized it yet. He's lost all power to hurt my feelings or genuinely rile me. I stopped giving it to him some time ago. I persist for two reasons: (1) empathy for those who aren't so well-armored, and (2) (and this is a general facet of my character, nothing to do with him specifically) it offends my sensibiliies to see logic twisted so horribly out of shape -- especially by someone in a position to influence others.

Does that clarify things for you?

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted April 20, 2011 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I misunderstood your words or intentions in posting this then.

My apologies.

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted April 20, 2011 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rogue Guru:
AD, when did I say (or even imply) that I was surprised? You feelin' okay, today?


I am feeling happy. Today is my 13th anniversary. How are you today?

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 20, 2011 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm good, thanks for asking. (Other than the last person I subcontracted for being now ten days late with a third of my pay, and my being broke. But, whatever.)

13th anniversary, eh? I'll congratulate you, if you can tell me you're genuinely happy in the relationship.

By the way, I edited my last post to add something -- take a look.

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AcousticGod
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posted April 20, 2011 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strikingly similar to me, Rogue, though I've spent some time just ignoring the nonsense. I'm sure there are plenty more, and probably a few worse than him that I've never even been able to interact with. Sadly, what we do amounts to little other than keeping his belief in his thought process in check, which is negligibly helpful as most people recognize the salient points about him pretty quickly.

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted April 20, 2011 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rogue Guru:
I'm good, thanks for asking. (Other than the last person I subcontracted for being now ten days late with a third of my pay, and my being broke. But, whatever.)

13th anniversary, eh? I'll congratulate you, if you can tell me you're genuinely happy in the relationship.

By the way, I edited my last post to add something -- take a look.


I am. I get to spend each day, with my best friend in the whole world, and 4 outcomes of hanging out together.

When he was busy trying not to die from cancer for those 8 mo. in the hospital, yeah it really clarifies if you love someone or not, and if you're happy with them.

That doesn't mean we always see eye to eye, or don't have misunderstandings or disagreements.

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katatonic
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posted April 20, 2011 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dearest jwhop, you proved my point in trying to show me up...russell may have called himself a socialist, but he was not the kind of socialist you think is the ONLY kind...he was, indeed, talking from a position of immense PRIVILEGE about making life reasonable for everyone. that he spoke in the vocabulary of his time is true of you too, isn't it?

there were in fact many aristocrats who pushed for a more "socialist" britain, because they saw that the inequality of the feudalistic old system would destroy it. so today, in order to preserve their estates, even very high up members of the nobility WORK for a living, ie, despite being born with those silver spoons they are not exempt from economic pressures. most of them manage very well thank you...

england was way ahead of us in creating its own Bill of Rights, on which ours is modelled.

and i suggest you try debating without stooping to verbal abuse of everyone who disagrees with you for awhile. it is not only destructive of any real discussion, but bad for your health too.

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jwhop
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posted April 21, 2011 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bertrand Russell was no different from any other Socialist. At the core of Socialism you'll always find totalitarian authoritarians.

Both are to be avoided by any people who are free and intend to remain that way. Those concepts are totally at odds with republican forms of government...like the US.


acoustic, you're keeping nothing whatsoever in check. You've had your nose rubbed in your illiteracy, your ignorance and general lack of knowledge as well as your inability to reason from point A to point B without falling off the cliff.

Terrorists are "ballsy"
America the "oppressor"
A water treatment plant for "Saddam"
Bush the "murderer"
Capricorns don't "lie"
Keith Thompson, the "Conservative"

Only a few of your many blunders which if all were listed they would fill up many pages here.

Paras, you give yourself way too much credit. You are not the protector of the downtrodden, not a Guru and from our previous encounters..which btw, you initiated, it's plain to see, there's no there..there.

Besides which, your premise that I'm trying to influence anyone is fatally flawed...as is your premise that I've tried to hurt your feelings. You don't rise very high on my radar screen Paras. I don't think much of you...and you should take that both ways it could be interpreted.

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 21, 2011 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strange that you make a point of calling me "paras". As though that was somehow my real name, or more "original" than "Rogue Guru". "paras" was actually my second Internet nickname.

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