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Ami Anne
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posted April 25, 2011 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I say this in terms of an appeaser.
I think Bush tried to appease both sides.As such, he was respected by neither.
I think this was Bush's fatal mistake.
Reagan was respected ,perhaps not liked,but respected.
I think Bush's failure was that he was not respected cuz he appeased his foes instead of sticking to his principles
What do you(or anyone ) think?

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posted April 25, 2011 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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I say this in terms of an appeaser.
I think Bush tried to appease both sides.As such, he was respected by neither.
I think this was Bush's fatal mistake.
Reagan was respected ,perhaps not liked,but respected.
I think Bush's failure was that he was not respected cuz he appeased his foes instead of sticking to his principles
What do you(or anyone ) think?


I never saw Bush as an appeaser.
I would be interested to know who the foes (Dems?Liberals? UN?) were so I could look at it more closely.

He certainly held his ground with Iraq and other sensitive endeavors which drew serious flak.

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posted April 25, 2011 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juni
I stopped keeping up with the Bush details so I could not give you who,what and when.
I just had the general sense that he tried to please all the people all of the time .Hence ,he pleased no one.

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posted April 25, 2011 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami Anne, something rung a bell when I read "appease" and couldn`t remember then an aha moment. The American Thinker article:

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In 2001, Bush signed yet another ludicrous arms reduction treaty benefiting Russia (the Moscow Treaty), which called for a reduction to 2,200 deployed nuclear warheads per side. The treaty contains no verification mechanisms, so it's impossible to check whether Moscow has complied with it or not. Bush, nonetheless, proceeded to dismantle America's strategic arsenal to insufficient levels: he dismantled all Peacekeeper ICBMs, reduced the bomber fleet, and ordered the dismantling of all AGM-129 missiles and 50% of nonstealthy ALCMs. He also ordered a drastic reduction of the nuclear stockpile.


The Bush administration stood passively by, saying nothing, when Russia threatened America's European allies with preemptive war and even a preemptive nuclear attack, even though some of these countries agreed to host an American missile defense system. The Bush administration likewise did nothing significant when Russia invaded Georgia.


True, that administration did decide to deploy a missile defense system in Europe. But the administration appeased Moscow over this issue so thoroughly that in 2007, even Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted that this appeasement policy was "pathetic."



http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/why_the_realists_are_wrong.html


I had read you were conservative, Sarah Palin is your role model and you think Bush was an appeaser. So, I`m trying to understand your political stance

It is nice to see you here in GU.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 26, 2011 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Juni
I asked the question about George Bush rather than gave an opinion because I have been out of the specifics of politics for quite a while.
When I started studying Astrology, a year ago, it became my consuming passion.
As far as Bush,my general understanding of him was that he tried to appease liberals rather than other countries.
He tried to be friends with people when he should have stood outside the friendship circle .
I sensed that people's disdain for him was his appeasement for approval rather than his politics,to some degree.
I base this on the fact that Reagen was more universally loved even though his politics may not have been.
I suppose I am asking "Did George Bush lose respect because he could not STAND for what he believed ?

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Ami Anne
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posted April 26, 2011 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually,Juni, to be totally honest ,it was not cuz I started studying Astrology that I gave up on politics.
The night Obama was elected ,I could not sleep.
I thought that we,as a country,were done.I thought it was hopeless that we ,ever ,could recover.
To me, the ONLY hope is a highly skilled businessman.
It goes without saying that he has to be ethical and have good character.
I have mild hope with the Tea Parties and people like Sarah Palin.
However,my core of hope is gone .

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posted April 26, 2011 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i would consider it a major distortion to consider reagan as either universally loved OR respected. his name is being used, in hindsight, as some sort of hero, but here AND abroad there were many who saw reagan as you see obama, ami.

in fact i had a great aunt who was so appalled at reagan's politics and economics that in '86 she said "i have seen the best this civilization has to offer. i reckon it's all downhill from here". she checked out altogether a few months later...

she was far from alone in her assessment of the state of the nation.

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posted April 26, 2011 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as to bush, perhaps the "hawks" saw him as an appeaser, but i don't think many others did! abroad he was considered a 100% joke, but a powerfully wrongheaded one...the war in iraq was/is considered a huge mistake by many, and we are paying for it today in a big way that really dwarfs obama's additions to the deficit despite what conservatives like to believe...

but i remember sean hannity was almost as against bush as he has been against obama. in a lot of ways there are similarities, as jwhop has pointed out in one of his recent posts...

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posted April 26, 2011 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought Bush started off fine Ami. He almost immediately fired his new Treasury Sec for giving interviews stating taxes should be raised to get us out of the Clinton Recession. Then, he lowered taxes which worked.

I think his biggest fault was in not fighting back against the lies which were told about him and his administration. But, I don't think that was appeasement. I think it was very bad advice from Karl Rove.

The tripling of Federal funds for education was a mistake. Kennedy stabbed Bush in the back and so did the teacher's unions.

The prescription drug program was a mistake.
All the demoscats wanted it but then attacked Bush after it was signed...for supposedly not publicizing it enough. They said seniors didn't know about it.

Not vetoing any legislation in his first 4 years was a mistake.

Not going after Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac even though he knew they were taking in sub prime loans which would go into foreclosure, that was a mistake. He listened to all the whining, screeching, moaning and shrieking coming out of demoscats mouths and backed off. That might have been appeasement.

But, Bush didn't back down an inch on Afghanistan or Iraq and let the whiners whine.

All in all, I would say Bush was a mixed bag.

There's a growing number in America who would love to have Bush back after getting a good look at what O'Bomber meant by "hope and change".

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Ami Anne
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posted April 26, 2011 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes,Jwop,Bush did not back down on many things.I can NOT imagine the intestinal fortitude it would take to stand strong in a position such as his lol

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posted April 27, 2011 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well barring rewriting the term limit, those people are basically baking pie in the sky, aren't they? very practical wish...if you prefer kings to presidents.

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posted April 27, 2011 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a huge Bush fan. Instead of placating the left, he should have been more decisive about doing what had to be done.

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