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jwhop
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posted June 22, 2011 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, in the 4th round of newpaper layoffs since I pointed out the Pew Poll spelled big trouble for news media outlets, the reader revolt continues and newspapers continue laying off personnel.

You know if the only thing you have to sell the public is information and the vast majority of the public think you're lying to them, they're not going to buy your paper.

Advertising rates are tied directly to subscriptions. So, when subscriptions to newspapers fall off the cliff so do advertising revenues.

When only 21% of Pew Poll responders believed all or even most of what the NY Times prints as news, that's big trouble. The Associated Press was even lower.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of drooling propaganda artists and political activists posing as journalists.

Gannett Announces Newspaper Layoffs
By Darryl L. Flowers
Published: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:19 PM CDT
UPDATED, 3:17PM MST: List of Gannett sites and the number of employees cut at that property follow the story.

Today, Bob Dickey, President of Gannett's U.S. Community Publishing Division, announced today in a confidential company memo that the divison was cutting its' workforce by 2%.

The Sun Times has obtained a copy of the memo, which was posted on an unofficial employee blog.

The move is expected to affect 700 workers at the company's newspaper operations across the nation.

This is the largest layoff by the media giant since 2009, when 1400 jobs were cut. This will make the 4th round of cuts since 2008.

By mid-day it was revealed that the Gannett paper in Cincinnati, OH had cut at least 15 workers; The Indianapolis Star had let 11 employees go. In Phoenix, AZ, the Publisher of the Arizona Republic announced the shutdown of the Phoenix Offset plant in Chandler. The plant was one of several USA Today print facilities. That closure will put 40 workers in the unemployment lines.

Gannett has over 32,000 employees worldwide, 22,000 work in U.S. Newspapers. Gannett operates the Great Falls Tribune.

Site and their reported cutbacks reported so far:

Appleton, and all other Wisconsin operations - 4

Asbury Park, N.J., 3

Asheville, N.C., 14

Binghamton, Elmira, Ithaca, N.Y., 5% wage cut

Brevard, Fla., 5

Cherry Hill, N.J, 1

Cincinnati, 13

Clarksville, TN, 5

Des Moines, IA, 12

Fort Collins, CO, 9

Fort Myers, FL, 14

Great Falls, MT,

Greenville, S.C., 5

Indianapolis, IN, 25

Lafayette, IN, 5

Lansing, MI, 2

Louisville, KY, 36

Monroe, LA, 27

Montgomery, AL, 4

Nashville, TN 24

Palm Springs, Calif., 6

Phoenix, AZ, 40

Rochester, N.Y., 12

Salisbury, Md., 5

Sioux Falls, S.D., 12

Springfield, MO, 4

Tallahassee, FL 12

Westchester, NY, 30

Wilmington, DE, 3

http://www.fairfieldsuntimes.com/articles/2011/06/21/news/doc4e00e7380a090365498596.txt

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katatonic
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posted June 22, 2011 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
all PAPERS are losing traffic...not to idealogies but to the internet. even papers whose circulation is down are doing fine online.

things are changing, jwhop. it's not all political, much is plain technology. and now we have solar power available without panels, and other technologies changing exponentially toward a cleaner, cheaper future! personally i like holding a newspaper (and doing the crossword in some) like i like to hold a book. but i understand things are moving away from the printed page just as things are moving away from the need for mining oil and coal.

i agree with you that legislation is not necessarily the best way to proceed with this, but government seems to evolve slower than most fields.

eventually more automation will free up peoples' time to do things that have recently fallen by the wayside - say, make real shoes again! or invent even better ways to do things so we can spend more time raising our kids instead of chasing a "living"...but the death of newspapers is part of the techno change we are living through, just as the loss of a lot of other jobs is...to make way for new jobs and hopefully more evolution to come. it is happening to papers of all bents. our local paper is not leaning any way politically but its advertising has gone down as people turned to the web for information just like the times and other big papers. consequently the price has gone up for a smaller paper and more people switch to the online version.

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jwhop
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posted June 23, 2011 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Listen katatonic, the leftist political activists and propaganda artists posing as journalists recognized they were losing readers and advertising revenues because Americans no longer trusted them or their slanted...so called news stories.

They came to this conclusion way back in the late 1990's after they had gone all out to protect their most favorite lying leftist demoscat...Kommander Korruption, aka Bill Clinton.

This information came out of the Pew Poll organization and is somewhere on this forum. Damned if I'm going to go find it...just to enlighten you.

So, you can believe whatever you wish. But, when I saw that Pew Poll, years ago, I predicted it spelled big trouble for the NY Times, Washington Post, Associated Press..and others when only 21% of poll respondents believed "All" or even "Most" of what the NY Times printed as news.

I laid it all out...chapter and verse...as to what was going to happen, why it was going to happen and what I said was going to happen, did happen.

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katatonic
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posted June 23, 2011 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well i still don't have much time for polls. i have never even met a person who was asked to participate in any of them, and i meet a lot of people.

and automation and internet access have killed paper papers more than anything they say or don't say. just as they have killed bookstores all over the country, and jobs of many descriptions.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 23, 2011 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You didn't lay out anything but spin, Jwhop. I told you just as Kat is now, and what Pew also reported at the time, that people were moving online for their news. No amount of spin is going to change the common sense perception of what's going on here.

You weren't right in your 21% nonsense either as I disproved several times.

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jwhop
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posted June 28, 2011 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry acoustic but you are locked in a spin cycle again.

The Pew Poll clearly showed that only 21% of respondents believed "All" or "Most" of what the NY Times prints as news.

Oh, and whatever happened to your threat to go straight to the Pew organization to get support for your nonsense version of what that Pew Poll really meant?

Did you..acoustic and find out your position was delusional?

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AcousticGod
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posted June 29, 2011 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One can't find their position "delusional" when it's correct. I've proven it's correctness several times. It has been crystal clear for a couple years now that you didn't understand what you were looking at when you cited that chart. If you wish to try to make that case again, I can bring up the multiple threads you lost this argument on.

Embarrassed smiley is right.

Edit: Here's the original: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/001559-2.html

I guess I was wrong. It hasn't been a "couple" years. It's been six years that you've cited this wrong. Long time.

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jwhop
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posted June 29, 2011 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only the delusional believe their position is correct...in the face of facts to the contrary.

Pew Poll results showed only 21% of respondents believed All or Most of what the NY Times prints as "news".

Your problem acoustic is that you don't know what Most means in the English language.

Hint acoustic!

Most, as used in the Pew Poll, is an indefinite quantifyer...meaning more than half.

Oh, and I was also right about what would happen to the NY Times and other lying leftist press organs. You, as usual, were wrong.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 30, 2011 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No claims of some alternate truth will be heeded on this matter. A question asked people to rate credibility on a scale with credibility on one side, and uncredibility on the other. As I showed in that six year old thread, you selectively left out the two middle columns, which would logically be the most popular choices.

Only an idiot would look at the proliferation of the internet, and conclude that declining newspaper sales are due to credibility issues. That's just straight up dumb.

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Node
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posted June 30, 2011 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is an idiot thread, and an idiot premise.
that is obvious. Readers are in revolt:??


but surely at heart an opportunistic post that in of itself demonstrates how to spin?!

That we are also afforded mention of the Kommander, a poll, and leftist propaganda, is purely icing.

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Node
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posted June 30, 2011 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG thanks for posting the archive link.


That some of the same tired *and lost* arguments of the OP are SIX YEARS OLD!!!!!!

is amazing....I had no idea.


reading Gemini Nymph post[s] now, good stuff

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AcousticGod
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posted June 30, 2011 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini Nymph was a great intellect here.

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Node
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posted June 30, 2011 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is also hilarious is that at this moment in time a case could be made for the proliferation of Conservative "Right Wing" Media due to the Murdoch et all gobbling up everything --> Big SKY in Britain, and soon to gobble any media on a continent near you.

If any one thinks that Paper Media is Leftist or Progressive dominate they are wrong.

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