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carl
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posted July 09, 2011 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am highly critical of her myself, but wanted to make a POSITIVE topic and clear up some misconceptions along the way. This is not to take cheap shots argue or debate or whatever, but to try to look at the positives.

There is lots wrong with the country, but where else has the opportunities that America does? You can be anything in this land with the right amount of hard work and persistence!

This is a land of 350 million totally different people. Just like Chinese would resent being called all the same or that they all look alike, yada yada yada (they have OVER FIFTY different ethnic groups and many different sub cultures depending on region)..it is the same in America...We have..Africans, Asians, Latinos, etc. etc. etc. Muslims, Jewish, Buddhists,etc, etc, etc. A diverse land that CAN NOT be labeled as one.

-For those who are unsure, there are 50 states, well, most know that. But each state operates independently, which some do not know. how?

Well, for starters.
-Some states allow for homosexual marriages, some do not.
-Some states are more lenient than others on mary jane possession. Some allow medical. Some do not.
-Some states ABOLISHED the Death Penalty decades ago or have not used it in decades, if ever. Some states have not (Texas). Millions upon millions of Americans are against it and have formed dozens of groups to lobby against it. On the other hand, some are for it, and the beautiful thing is, they have the freedom to voice those opinions within these boarders. Even if I do not agree with said opinions.
- We have anything from avid gun club members to some of the most peace loving (hippie esque) people you can find on the planet, in both cases.
-Huge influx of people from every country on the planet, open arms to everyone who is willing to work hard for what they want.


**So a topic is being made to maybe let down on the critical analysis (for a while) and state what is good.** Hey, I can even make a counter topic to state the bad.**

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lalalinda
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posted July 09, 2011 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was a little girl my father would say
"You have no idea how lucky and privileged you are to be born American"

and then when I got a little older he would say
"ok smarty pants, if you think there is somewhere better, fine then leave (USA)"

and then I would say,
"FINE, I'm going to California"

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mochai
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From: Charon
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posted July 09, 2011 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You already touched on this, but a lot of my foreign bus passengers seemed to love that there wasn't any social class stratifications in America. They also felt that America had a lot of freedom of creative expression that they didn't have so much of in their foreign countries. Those are some positive things I can think of. And despite being jerks rather frequently that we could be cool and hip in a certain way. I've noticed more and more foreign countries seem to be buying into the American materialistic hoopla on a societal level, admiring it or longing for it.

I tend to like the cultural differences in various parts of America but it is rather bland comparison to other places.

For people into economic enterprise, the taxes are low, but there is less help for people who say want to go to college and families are increasingly set at eachother from within. The whole societal makeup and structure is depressing and isolating. It used to be that college was easier to get here pre-bush, but when your family is dysfunctional, fluoridated drinking water gives you hypothyroidism at a young age, and you're struggling to live and can't work 30 hours a week on top of 20 hours of classes like your peers to afford school you're kind of screwed (for my socioeconomic situation, that is exactly what my sister had to do for 4 years and she still had to beg for money). We're a civilization that judges people based on whether they have a gucci bag and drive a mercedes as opposed to the content of their personality and compassion. Love is seen as a weakness amongst many here and that's just saddening. We live in a bubble where what matters is on tv, not what is going on in other countries or the lives we're destroying in our apathy, precluding the environmental destruction and corporate greed that is largely running unchecked. I'd like to be somewhere not so set on enslaving themselves to materialism and iphones. Sorry I know I talk about materialism all the time, but I grew up in a family where if my mother had to choose between a daffodil for her garden or saving my life she'd choose the daffodil and it would've been a no brainer (unless it came up in such a way that she was trying to keep appearances). She spent a lot of money on herself and refused to pay for almost any clothing and deodorant or shampoo when I was 15 and then I moved out at 16, yet she could claim me as a dependent for many years after that where I wouldn't get the additional college assistance. If I were living in a garbage bin it wouldn't have mattered. That's America for you to a degree..

The lack of awareness and media frenzy polarization and programming drives me crazy. Americans can be very dense.. No one pays attention to or thinks about all the nefarious terroristic things our government does to other countries here, let alone the fishy things that happen stateside. If you challenge that, having a voice or dissent has become unpatriotic with people telling you to leave the country then.

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Benedict Moon*
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posted July 09, 2011 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm actually pretty annoyed with where we've gone as a culture in the last 10 years (as you and Mochai have pointed out), but I love how diverse we are from State to State and culture to culture. Not all of us are permatanned, Gucci and Prada'd up bimbos who can't even point out Australia on the map. I love that I *can* meet people who aren't like that, people from many different walks of life.

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juniperb
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posted July 09, 2011 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carl & all this thread is more like like a Global Unity endeavor and am sending it over .

Catch it over there!!

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