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katatonic
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posted August 09, 2011 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it may be against the law for the british to carry arms, but has anyone noticed how good they are at throwing bricks and petrol bombs?

castrated my eye!

unfortunately the boiling over is not very well aimed or thought out, and may well end in martial law. but sit on their hands and let the gov walk over them? i don't think so somehow...

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posted August 10, 2011 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 10, 2011 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of the people who will be writing, speaking and pontificating about the disorder this weekend have absolutely no idea what it is like to grow up in a community where there are no jobs, no space to live or move, and the police are on the streets stopping-and-searching you as you come home from school. ...

. In one NBC report, a young man in Tottenham was asked if rioting really achieved anything:

"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?"

"Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."

Eavesdropping from among the onlookers, I looked around. A dozen TV crews and newspaper reporters interviewing the young men everywhere ‘’’

There are communities all over the country that nobody paid attention to unless there had recently been a riot or a murdered child. Well, they’re paying attention now.

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posted August 10, 2011 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/conservatism-murders-suicides/

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posted August 10, 2011 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this a vote for rioting, looting, assault and anarchy?

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posted August 10, 2011 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not at all. but seems to me someone here talks a fair amount about how important it is for the populace to have the right to bear arms.

just saying having the right in writing isn't really necessary when people get mad enough...or when the goons come for you. and having GUNS is not the only way to defend yourself when the need comes.

oh, yes, it was you, jwhop, who insisted that the brits have allowed themselves to be "castrated" by the government and regs against personal weapons...

and what, pray tell, would the ORIGINAL TEA PARTY have been called by those in power and those who believed in CIVIL protest?

are the british not now being asked to pay even more taxes as their services are being cut ridiculously low? were the original tea partiers not brits? this is the way people behave when they feel they have no voice and nothing to lose.

and it usually happens under republican and conservative reigns. heavy-handed defense of the rights of the rich with no thought to the plights of the poor.

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posted August 10, 2011 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sure sounds like you are voting for rioting, looting, assault and anarchy katatonic!

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posted August 10, 2011 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no jwhop, i don't think trashing your own neighbourhood does much good. it is your tea party friends who are addicted to shooting metaphors and encourage people to throw bricks at the property of those they don't like...

though the youth interviewed (above) has a point. WELL BEHAVED protesters are being ignored.

YOU are the one who thinks the citizens need to be armed in case the govt comes for them...

a friend of mine spied some youths beginning their assault on her local supermarket...a place she doesn't even patronize. she told them to stop it and was threatened to "shut up or i'll bop your face" to which she replied that if he tried it she would kick his balls so hard they would drop off. was she assaulted and maimed for her brass? no.

she later wondered what had come over her (she is tough enough to carry thru on HER threat) but the fact of the matter is that these kids were not brave enough to take her up on her dare.

so how come the police and general citizenry can't do likewise...call their bluff and call it off?

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posted August 10, 2011 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are mistaken katatonic. You don't find
Tea Party members throwing bricks through windows...or suggesting anyone else should do so.

THE SUN NEVER SETS ON THE BRITISH WELFARE SYSTEM
August 10, 2011
Ann Coulter

Those of you following the barbaric rioting in Britain will not have failed to notice that a sizable proportion of the thugs are white, something not often seen in this country.

Not only that, but in a triumph of feminism, a lot of them are girls. Even the "disabled" (according to the British benefits system) seem to have miraculously overcome their infirmities to dash out and steal a few TVs.

Congratulations, Britain! You've barbarized your citizenry, without regard to race, gender or physical handicap!

With a welfare system far more advanced than the United States, the British have achieved the remarkable result of turning entire communities of ancestral British people into tattooed, drunken brutes.

I guess we now have the proof of what conservatives have been saying since forever: Looting is a result of liberal welfare policies. And Britain is in the end stages of the welfare state.

In 2008, a 9-year-old British girl, Shannon Matthews, disappeared on her way home from a school trip. The media leapt on the case -- only to discover that Shannon was one of seven children her mother, Karen, had produced with five different men.

The first of these serial sperm-donors explained: "Karen just goes from one bloke to the next, uses them to have a kid, grabs all the child benefits and moves on."

Poor little Shannon eventually turned up at the home of one of her many step-uncles -- whose ex-wife, by the way, was the mother of six children with three different fathers.

(Is Father's Day celebrated in England? If so, how?)

The Daily Mail (London) traced the family's proud Anglo ancestry of stable families back hundreds of years. The Nazi war machine couldn't break the British, but the modern welfare state has.

A year earlier, in 2007, another product of the new order, Fiona MacKeown, took seven of her eight children (by five different fathers) and her then-boyfriend, on a drug-fueled, six-month vacation to the Indian island of Goa. The trip was paid for -- like everything else in her life -- with government benefits.

(When was the last time you had a free, six-month vacation? I'm drawing a blank, too.)

While in Goa, Fiona took her entourage on a side-trip, leaving her 15-year-old daughter, Scarlett Keeling, in the capable hands of a 25-year-old local whom Scarlett had begun sleeping with, perhaps hoping to get a head-start on her own government benefits. A few weeks later, Scarlett turned up dead, full of drugs, raped and murdered.

Scarlett's estranged stepfather later drank himself to death, while her brother Silas announced on his social networking page: "My name is Si, n I spend most my life either out wit mates get drunk or at partys, playing rugby or going to da beach (pretty s**t really)."

It's a wonder that someone like Silas, who has never worked, and belongs to a family in which no one has ever worked, can afford a cellphone for social networking. No, actually, it's not.

Britain has a far more redistributive welfare system than France, which is why France's crime problem is mostly a matter of Muslim immigrants, not French nationals. Meanwhile, England's welfare state is fast returning the native population to its violent 18th-century highwaymen roots.

Needless to say, Britain leads Europe in the proportion of single mothers and, as a consequence, also leads or co-leads the European Union in violent crime, alcohol and drug abuse, obesity and sexually transmitted diseases.

But liberal elites here and in Britain will blame anything but the welfare state they adore. They drone on about the strict British class system or the lack of jobs or the nation's history of racism.

None of that explains the sad lives of young Shannon Matthews and Scarlett Keeling, with their long English ancestry and perfect Anglo features.

Democrats would be delighted if violent mobs like those in Britain arose here -- perhaps in Wisconsin! That would allow them to introduce yet more government programs staffed by unionized public employees, as happened after the 1992 L.A. riots and the 1960s race riots, following the recommendations of the Kerner Commission.

MSNBC might even do the unthinkable and offer Al Sharpton his own TV show. (Excuse me -- someone's trying to get my attention ... WHAT?)

Inciting violent mobs is the essence of the left's agenda: Promote class warfare, illegitimate children and an utterly debased citizenry.

Like the British riot girls interviewed by the BBC, the Democrats tell us "all of this happened because of the rich people."

We're beginning to see the final result of that idea in Britain. The welfare state creates a society of beasts. Meanwhile, nonjudgmental elites don't dare condemn the animals their programs have created.

Rioters in England are burning century-old family businesses to the ground, stealing from injured children lying on the sidewalks and forcing Britons to strip to their underwear on the street.

I keep reading that it's because they don't have jobs -- which they're obviously anxious to hold. Or someone called them a "kaffir." Or their social services have been reduced. Or their Blackberries made them do it. Or they disapprove of a referee's call in a Manchester United game.

A few well-placed rifle rounds, and the rioting would end in an instant. A more sustained attack on the rampaging mob might save England from itself, finally removing shaved-head, drunken parasites from the benefits rolls that Britain can't find the will to abolish on moral or utilitarian grounds. We can be sure there's no danger of killing off the next Winston Churchill or Edmund Burke in these crowds.

But like Louis XVI, British authorities are paralyzed by their indifference to their own civilization. A half-century of berating themselves for the crime of being British has left them morally defenseless. They see nothing about England worth saving, certainly not worth fighting for -- which is fortunate since most of their cops don't have guns.

This is how civilizations die. It can happen overnight, as it did in Revolutionary France. If Britain of 1939 were composed of the current British population, the entirety of Europe would today be doing the "Heil Hitler" salute and singing the "Horst Wessel Song."
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-10.html

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posted August 11, 2011 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does any one read the Anne Coulter posts?
the AM thinkinker?
the $arah Palin blogs?

just wondering.
Kat often replies to them, but I seldom see anyone else.

RE: suicidal teens

Kat, I was reading one of those "alarmist" headlines on my ISP... You know how they love for you to click, that is how they make their money. So, fear- for- sale is the order of the day.

Anyhow, I clicked on dark cloud over growing antidepressant prescriptions.

because the title made me smirk and laugh at the same time.
It is _not_ a funny situation though, as these meds often have serious consequences.
A guy that worked as prep cook for me shot himself one morning on 6/13/06. He was on antidepressants, and some other drugs. A couple weeks before he did it, he was in to work on his day off, and obviously whacked on meds, his pupils were the size of dinner plates. I really, really liked him, and still think about him to this day. He would have been 28 this October.

the other thing that got me was the article was not placed in the health section but the finance section!!!

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posted August 11, 2011 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More people read what Ann Coulter has to say than watch the screeching ranters, Maddow, Olbermann, Schultz and Matthews.

More people read what Ann Coulter has to say than read the insane drivel spewed by Markos Moulitsas, everyone at Puffington Post and move on dot org.

Coulter is a consistent best seller, over and over with every book even on the NY Times Best Seller list, as well as a syndicated article writer.

Ann Coulter book list.

Guilty
Liberal Victims and Their Assault on America (January 2009)

If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans (October, 2007)

Godless
The Church of Liberalism (June 2006)

How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)(October, 2004)

Treason
Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism (June 2003)

Slander
Liberal Lies About the American Right (June 2002)

High Crimes and Misdemeanors
The Case Against Bill Clinton (August 1998)

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posted August 11, 2011 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know it's painful for leftists to read American Thinker. That would require "thinking".

I know it's painful for leftists to read and hear what Sarah Palin has to say about THE ONE, The Leftist Messiah O'Bomber. Sarah Palin isn't an O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinker.

The problem for leftists is that their attacks on Palin didn't stop her, didn't even faze her. She's stronger, richer and more influential than ever.

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just as it is painful for conservatives, who are doing everything they can to return britain to its "violent 18 century roots", to admit that it is the dismantling of the social services and the disenfranchising of the poor that is causing the riots, not TOO MANY benefits.

the REASON there IS a system of support in britain is that before it the upper classes had EVERYTHING and the rest, nothing! i know a few members of the aristocracy, and though they look back fondly on the old days and REAL - practically unlimited - wealth and power, they are doing just fine thanks and their kids are living on trust funds (welfare at an upper-class level!).

yes there are people who scam the system, as people will scam ANY system. yes, there are WHITE WOMEN who are happy to have kids by multiple fathers and raise them on their own...but if you think the child benefits are putting them in a life of luxe, maybe you should visit one of them. life on the dole ain't what it's cracked up to be, in england or elsewhere...

and that 6 month holiday probably was a lot cheaper than living in england for the same period of time, ie the money she gets went a lot further in goa, where there is no welfare state and people are as cheap as the food.

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posted August 11, 2011 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but i wonder why the white man is so prone to VIOLENT protest? take a page from ghandi, MLK, or even the current egyptians...the peaceful way is more effective and much less painful for the protesters and the community at large.

ann coulter is an irrelevant spite-machine. her day is almost up. along with all the other MEMEME folk who think rugged individualism is going to get us to the next page.

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and yes, there is a large WHITE faction involved in these riotings. they call themselves the NATIONALIST party and they are determined to rout all the "half-breeds and niggers" who would claim an equal place in the political landscape with WHITES. how dare they???

text received by a friend's son in liverpool...

"White men of LIVERPOOL lets stop these niggers attacking+looting OUR city centre we need to Unite and defend OUR CITY,the police cant touch them cos of the race card.. This is LIVERPOOL not London,dont let these black cunts take over, lets send these half breeds+niggers back to toxteth,. THIS IS A CALL TO ARMS, LIVERPOOL THE ONLY CITY IN ENGLAND WERE THE WHITE MAN RULES..LETS KEEP IT THIS WAY...
************ at 10 tonight."

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..."Things got a bit out of hand. We smashed the place up and Boris set fire to the toilets." (David Cameron, Bullingdon Club, Oxford, 1986.

it is not the underclasses who are "entitled" in britain!

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posted August 11, 2011 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would seem...from what you posted yourself...that white anger is in reaction to minorities rioting, looting and trying to burn down British cities.

Must I remind you again katatonic? Well, OK then.

Socialism is OK...until you run out of other people's money...which always happens.

That's what's happened in Britain, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain and Ireland.

When the gravy train stops, those who have been riding it are incensed. You see, the world owes these people, not from what they produce but from the productive labor of others. After all, they didn't ask to be born but since they were and are living in Socialist Meccas, productive citizens have to take care of them.

Now, I'm not aware of any laws in those nations which prohibit minorities...or anyone else from getting an education and attempting to make their own way in life. Quite the opposite is true. Life is about choices so, if one sits on ones dead ass and never learns anything in school, never learns any skills salable in the labor market, then one is going to be on the public dole...until the money runs out.

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posted August 11, 2011 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
August 11, 2011
The Rule of Lawlessness
Victor Sharpe


Mark Levin, the conservative philosopher of the airways, reminded me recently of what Milton Freidman once said:

Why is it considered nobler when a politician spends your money than when you spend your money?

Which begs the following questions. Why has society embraced such a mindset? Why are so many in the West again falling for the failed economic beliefs of Marx, Engels, Keynes and the radical environmentalists?

What has caused teenagers and even pre-teenagers in Britain, Wisconsin, Philadelphia, and Lord knows where else, to riot, burn businesses, loot and beat up innocent passers-by? Why do they act as demented and feral human beings, while claiming that they hate the rich and the world owes them everything?

How has a generation been spawned that is devoid of basic morality? Why has such a large percentage of young people no understanding of right or wrong, is devoid of Judeo-Christian values and civilization, and rejects personal ambition or initiative? Why does it dismiss so violently hard work and personal enterprise?

The answers lie, I believe, in the pervasive love affair by so many politicians and governments with the welfare state; the cradle to grave entitlement ideology. But now we see that when a government finally comes to the realization that it can no longer afford the ever increasing, but unfunded, entitlements previously granted to its population and reins in the largesse, that the mob then takes to the streets; be it in Greece or Great Britain.

The capitalist and free market idea has been vilified in the late 20th and early 21st centuries to such an extent that the prevailing professorial mantras in academia - or what has become in essence many colleges and universities of "lower" learning - deride with contempt the profit motive. Indeed, "profit" is now considered a dirty word by so many. The very young learn this starting in our public schools.

Dr. George Reisman in his book, Capitalism: A Treatise on Economics, points out that Leftist professors and economists sneer at Capitalism and the free market system. In their minds the profit motive is the cause of:

... starvation wages, exhausting hours, sweatshops, and child labor; of monopolies, inflation, depressions, wars, imperialism, and racism. Saving is hoarding. Competition is the law of the jungle. Businessmen and capitalists are recipients of "unearned income" and are "exploiters. Retailers and wholesalers are "middlemen," having no function but that of adding "markups" to the prices charged by farmers and manufacturers; advertisers are inherently guilty of fraud -the fraud of attempting to induce people to desire the goods that capitalism showers on them, but that they allegedly have no natural or legitimate basis for desiring.

As Dr. Reisman further points out:

These are all common accusations that are bandied about again and again, ad nauseam, in the media, in novels and plays, in classrooms and lecture halls

Is it any wonder than that so many people have become so reliant on an ever growing central government whose tentacles reach into every aspect of a citizen's life and property?

The government's function should be concentrated on national defense and law and order. But it is now involved in public education, labor union legislation, railroads, the health system, subsidies for farmers, manufacturers, the unemployed and student loans, income and inheritance taxes, minimum wages, social engineering programs and on and on and on.

It is passing strange that far too many in society now accept that even the word, capitalism, is a pejorative implying unfettered greed and exploitation. Yes, there have been instances, indeed many, where the ugly face of capitalism has reared its head. But capitalism is also a well-grounded and demonstrably proven system of progress and prosperity open to all who will grasp it. The founding fathers knew that and acted upon it.

The market system works, as does abiding by the rule of law and educating people to stand on their own two feet, to save, and to embrace fully the work ethic. History is full of examples of poor individuals who did not wait for government handouts but who strove to make of themselves a better life and who thus raised families and grew wealthy and wise.

Now the mobs in Britain, consisting of young people who are devoid of any such knowledge, "demand" that the rich give up their wealth and possessions - obtained often from a lifetime of effort and simple hard work - and give it away to them.

And if they resist, it will be taken by force. Here is the mindset of a lost generation where, in Britain for example, government handouts are expected and self-reliance by many is unheard of.

Which begs a final question. Does civil unrest benefit the Left, which tirelessly works to undo the West?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/the_rule_of_lawlessness.html

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no jwhop, it is not in response to the looting but in response to the multicoloured look of britain these days. and the fact that while there are few jobs for anyone, the whites WILL blame non-whites - for being in the way.

the POINT of much of the actual protest (and not necessarily meaning the looting, much of which is opportunistic and unfocussed anger) is that THERE ARE NO JOBS and NO EDUCATION AVAILABLE ANY MORE with which to improve your chances of GETTING a job should you come across one!

how stupid is it to destroy the education services at a time when many unskilled youths are forcibly out of work?

you sound like the guy i heard on the radio yesterday complaining that he works hard for his $250K/year and though affluent his house is next door to "POOR PEOPLE'S" houses (god forbid) so he can SEE those LAZY arses doing nothing all day.

of course when you make $250K/year you have plenty of time to sit around watching your neighbours (not) so he probably doesn't actually see much (being so busy at work'n'all!)

and he doesn't understand that when you have only $300/mo to live on you can't afford much bus fare, clothes to go to work in, or food to give you the energy to do so. a lot of poor people spend an inordinate amount of time at home NOT SPENDING MONEY BECAUSE THEY DON"T HAVE ANY.

and a lot of prosperous busy-bodies who have no idea what it's like think they know all about what their neighbours are doing when they're not looking, which is most of the time!

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the market system, which depends on NONunionizing labour at low cost, is a built-in DEADEND. without demand, supply sits idle in the warehouse. without demand (from the pockets of EMPLOYED populations) the gravy train ends for the rich as well. how many billions does one man/co need?

as mel gibson said "when you pass 100 million it's just a lot of pieces of paper"...in other words, there is a point at which the only reason to make more money is for the time-fill it provides and the (false) security. you know, checking up on your dividends today, deciding what's worth investing in, counting your wad and insuring it against turnarounds, etc.

oh and the politicians you can buy, let's not forget that!

but i am tired of being in the bash-the-rich seat. i don't really have any problem with people making piles if that is what they cherish. HOWEVER when said piles are threatened by collapse of the system, it would seem the SMART and ECONOMICAL thing to GIVE BACK to FIX the system rather than sitting on the bullion in the hope it will by you out of the breakdown.

any number of rich folk have lost it all because they forgot the first rule of money -
KEEP IT CIRCULATING!

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posted August 11, 2011 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't know the British school systems had been shut down katatonic.

My mistake to think one could get an education in Britain and learn to lead a productive life.

On the other hand, a big to those in Britain who self educated themselves and became productive citizens.

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the "high percentage" is not really very high. a few very noisy miscreants cover a lot of quiet distress.

the brits i knew who felt the future was bleak went out and made their own (future) and were TARGETS of the kind of behaviour going on in england today.

but as i said, those who feel they have nothing to lose will GO FOR BROKE. JUST LIKE THE BOSTON TEA PARTIERS people are FED UP.

TAXES ARE GOING UP AND SERVICES DOWN. WHERE IS "THE MARKET SYSTEM" in that?

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