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katatonic
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posted October 04, 2011 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that would be us here, though i wonder what unites the US these days too.

little clip for you jwhop, and anyone else interested...this kid is no hippy, he is articulate and lucid,

and shares a lot of talking points with YOU!
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/10/03/best-end-the-fed-speech-from-an-occupy-wall-street-protestor-yet.-spread-this-far-and-wide-75511/

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posted October 04, 2011 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is it time to devolve into separate states yet? what makes the united states viable at its current size and the sheer volume of laws on the books, to mention two possible points of discussion besides the above...?

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posted October 04, 2011 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seriously? The US isn't going to implode. lmao

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posted October 05, 2011 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Articulate man. The truth of 1913 with the Dec. 23 passage of the bill that changed the game forever; passionate delivery, riveting.

Thanks for posting. I was also struck by the expressions on the faces of those listening.

quote:
Controversy about the Federal Reserve Act and the establishment of the Federal Reserve System has existed since prior to its passage. Some of the questions raised include: whether Congress has the Constitutional power to delegate its power to coin money or issue paper money, why it was passed on December 23 while most of Congress was away for Christmas, whether the Federal Reserve is a public cartel of private banks (also called a banking cartel) established to protect powerful financial interests, and whether the Federal Reserve's actions increased the severity of the Great Depression in the 1930s (and/or the severity or frequency of other boom-bust economic cycles, such as the Late-2000s recession).

from-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act

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posted October 05, 2011 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if he said the us was going to implode i missed that, randall! and if you think i said it was, you are mistaken. i was ASKING A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS! how is laughing at me going to make anything better? with all due respect, i think mutual respect will get us farther than snorting at each other...

do you think we should just go on standing behind drawn lines throwing rocks at each other? or is there something that actually we all have in common?

do you seriously think that all it needs is for a new president to be elected and everything will be fine and dandy? don't you think there are some fundamental issues here that transcend personalities?

i was asking what unites us? and if the fed gov is so big because the country is so big? and what we can ALL do about it that circumvents the scapegoat mentality?

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posted October 05, 2011 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A new President is a good start, since the current one is trying to destroy the country...but he won't succeed.

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posted October 05, 2011 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks randall for joining in the spirit of my post! can we leave personalities out of this for a few minutes?

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posted October 06, 2011 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so randall - if you can't think of anything that unites us, how do you think the country will NOT implode?

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posted October 06, 2011 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Patriotism...interesting!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism

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posted October 06, 2011 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMO a country is only as good as the people in it, and if they are all fighting amongst themselves it will collapse but PRONTO. obama has only as much power as the other branches let him get away with. so he is not the crux of the matter.

whether he is trying to destroy it is not really within your ability to know. he is only one man.

so what do we have in common and how do we make this country work? or should we just call it a failed experiment and devolve into states?

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posted October 07, 2011 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
katatonic..you stated...

IMO a country is only as good as the people in it
______________________________________

In my Heart I believe that all of us
in America,are here for a purpose...for all the
things the United States of America..
Stands for. ...

I believe that America has a
secret destiny, a Revelation,
and collaboration of Good men
and Good women..

these are special..amazing times..
the impossible, becomes possible

and always...

'Expect A Miracle'

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posted October 07, 2011 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Friday, Oct. 7, 2011
New Hampshire
Union Leader
NH VIEWPO!NT

Pledge of Consistancy

Scool-wide or class by
class, it's a daily ritual

Pledge of Allegiance

I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the
United States
of America,
and to the republic
for which it stands,
one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty
and justice for all.

The words, adopted by Congress
in 1942, must be a part of
every New Hampshire school
day, according to the School
Patriot Act, a state law
passed in 2002 following the
9/11 terror attacks. It
requires schools to set aside
time for the pledge. Students
who choose not to participate
may stand silently or remain
seated.
BY Jason Schreiber
_____________________________

just a small part of the article,
I found interesting!

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posted October 07, 2011 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A country doesn't have to all agree on everything. There's nothing wrong with fighting among ourselves. We are very lucky to live in a country where we are free to do so and to be able to express opposing viewpoints. That in and of itself shows that it is a successful experiment. There is no danger of it collapsing. It hasn't collapsed yet, and it won't. Anything else is just a smokescreen created by people who hate this country and who hate freedom.

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posted October 07, 2011 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes randall but WHAT unites us? here on lindaland? in the country? in the world?

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posted October 08, 2011 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I first read the title to your thread Kat, I thought:

Our human-ness.
Our humanity.

Often remaining unexpressed.

I was reading an essay with a similar view this A.M. by a writer who is a hundred times more proficient at getting my point across.... I will lazily paste it here->

by Judith Gayle:

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There is a basic and decisive difference between the way a conservative and a progressive see the world. Let me give it to you, short form: conservatives are all about property rights while progressives value human rights. It comes down to people vs. property. Heart vs. head (wallet.) The founders would have understood these differences, which are neither Republican nor Democrat but older and more defining of consciousness than of politics. This is the difference between Jeffersonian politics designed to aid and protect the commonwealth and Federalism’s defense of states’ rights and the might of privilege (property owners.)

in full. here.

Our ability to see our sameness, as opposed to our differences appears to have been lost.


In times of crisis we [americans] need a bad guy, a finger pointed everywhere but at ourselves. We each share blame for our current troubles.

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katatonic
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posted October 08, 2011 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes...

i would add that we probably all would like to see HONESTY in government whether or not we agree what methods should be used to govern.

we would like less INTERFERENCE in our daily lives and businesses, and more FAIRNESS in the way justice is practiced.

what else?

as for obama, he works for all of us. so "getting rid of him" is not really the solution, is it? the other branches are largely working against him, so how anyone can blame him as if he were the sultan of brunei is beyond me.

we need to stop letting the talking heads, politicians and lobbyists divide us or how can we get the changes we want?

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posted October 08, 2011 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what unites us ALL..

we're all in the same boat (MOther Earth)
row row row your boat gently
down the stream
Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily
Life is but a DREAM...

we are all united World-Wide!

but they started it first, lol. ...

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posted October 09, 2011 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
A new President is a good start, since the current one is trying to destroy the country...but he won't succeed.

I agree 100%

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posted October 09, 2011 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
did you know, I can't even listen
to our President, he starts to talk,
and I go deaf, or something!?
I can't listen to him...

And I still believe he is not
a US citizen, I've had plenty
of affirmations, that tell me so!

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posted October 09, 2011 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
okay so instead of finding common ground a couple of people here prefer advocating just jumping from the frying pan into the fire. that is SOOO helpful!!

since when does what ANY one person do alter the shape of the whole country? congress is fighting him, the supreme court are too. what exactly do you think makes him SOLE BOOGEYMAN?

and for the last time, what do you think UNITES us?

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