posted November 18, 2011 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
No, the elite gave Bush his first, and you know how you stop the elite? By not voting for them and their shills in local and state elections. Apathy towards politics and voting gets us no where. Might as well hand yourself over to the plutocracy.

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Until you realize that every president in office is influenced and picked by them. Did you know every president in the history of the United States are related to each other?

posted November 18, 2011 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by polysigh:
I just wanted to say how much I love this board. I had lurked for a long time and finally decided to participate because of my interest in astrology/metaphysical matters. Funnily enough, I am a life long republican (and I am from Chicago! go figure). I am very involved in the political process and pretty well informed.

I have to say, that I respect everyone else's opinions and political affiliations. Although I take politics seriously, I would never, ever call a democrat names simply based on the fact that they identify that way. So, I do take offense to "republicans are idiots" etc. I am by no means an idiot and would prefer a serious debate on issues as opposed to name calling. The spirit of this board, I think, is to be respectful of others not disrespectful based on someone's political ideology. I come to this board because of a shared interest in astrology not to be put down because my politics may differ from others here. Just needed to say my peace. Thanks.

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i don't think the board is disrespectful; there is a sense of community and what i think to be a sort of virtual 'family' that can be very supportive and caring but i don't think we've had anyone confess about their being a politician on here since this isn't exactly so cut and pasted with a suit so, if you were offended, i honestly don't think anyone meant any harm and really don't think it should've been taken personally.

we're studying astrology in this section of the forum and to study it, there is a certain level of detachment that i think everyone ends up adapting to better understand and help themselves (and each other) but it isn't politics.. saying something along the lines of 'stupid republican' is what the 'republican' is, at large.. or at least, the few apples that have reared their heads at large.

no one's really trying to get political votes here so being 'politically correct' isn't exactly something i think you should expect to see anywhere outside of the office; civil, maybe, on a good day; but no 'squares'.

chicago, though...
that's nice..

definitely hoping you're able to possibly reach a prominent position up there and maybe change the hierarchy along the way.

posted November 18, 2011 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I didn't say Republicans were idiots, I just said that they love idiots, which seems to be true. Anti-intellectualism is a running theme within the current party.

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i was always taught that in a social setting, one is better off not discussing politics or religion..

posted November 18, 2011 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
i don't think the board is disrespectful; there is a sense of community and what i think to be a sort of virtual 'family' that can be very supportive and caring but i don't think we've had anyone confess about their being a politician on here since this isn't exactly so cut and pasted with a suit so, if you were offended, i honestly don't think anyone meant any harm and really don't think it should've been taken personally.

we're studying astrology in this section of the forum and to study it, there is a certain level of detachment that i think everyone ends up adapting to better understand and help themselves (and each other) but it isn't politics.. saying something along the lines of 'stupid republican' is what the republican is, at large.. or at least, the few apples that have reared their heads at large.

no one's really trying to get political votes here so being 'politically correct' isn't exactly something i think you should expect to see anywhere outside of the office; civil, maybe, on a good day; but no 'squares'.

chicago, though...
that's nice..

definitely hoping you're able to possibly reach a prominent position up there and maybe change the hierarchy along the way.

it's be nice, is all.

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posted November 18, 2011 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
i was always taught that in a social setting, one is better off not discussing politics or religion..

i'd personally much prefer to discuss money, sex & fame, any day!

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couldn't agree with you more!!

posted November 18, 2011 01:47 PM            

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Only idiots (republican voters) would elect an idiot, right?

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Um no, republicans don't love idiots.

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As for who is an idiot, I guess that is a matter of opinion on both sides.

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My point was, I wouldn't say that on a community board that deals with an entirely different issue (astrology) where others on the board may be part of the 55% of the country that are in fact republicans. It is not my intention to be difficult just wanted to speak my mind in a respectful way.

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Actually, only 27-29% of the country actually identifies as Republican, the rest are independents or Democrats (~31%).

When it comes to politics, I don't care who I offend, to be honest. It's important and if people feel ASHAMED of their political beliefs, perhaps they should reevaluate them.

posted November 18, 2011 01:49 PM            

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i'd personally much prefer to discuss money, sex & fame, any day!

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posted November 18, 2011 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Actually, only 27-29% of the country actually identifies as Republican, the rest are independents or Democrats (~31%).

When it comes to politics, I don't care who I offend, to be honest. It's important and if people feel ASHAMED of their political beliefs, perhaps they should reevaluate them.

Is my Mercury coming through?

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posted November 18, 2011 02:33 PM            

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I expressed my opinion and you didn't like it, so be it.

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posted November 18, 2011 02:38 PM            

I mean Papandreou is the master of disaster. Berlusconi is a clown, thankfully he resigned thought. He should be working for Hefner hosting "bunga bunga parties". Lol

We are also facing a voter turn out problem in lots of places in the world because there is a certain disgust with politics.

Are newly elected Canadian prime minster was elected with the lowest voter turn out in Canadian history, less than 50% of eligible voters.

It whould have been a diffrent story if the turn out was above that.

Its ironic that we are in Afghanistan trying to promote free elections and here we are in the "west" with people not voting.

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Capircorn Rising
Gemini Sun, 5th House
Aries Moon
Mercury in Gemini
Venus In Taurus
Mars Cancer

posted November 18, 2011 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Yup. And as I recall, you were the one that was initially offended. I don't know if you were expecting an apology or what. As a noob you should realize that this board does get into heated debates about many subjects unrelated to astrology. "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen," as they say.

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posted November 18, 2011 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by polysigh:
I can take the heat, no worries there. I just don't resort to being hostile and rude. "As I recall, you were the one who was offended"...umm, yeah? So? So no one here can express an opinion contrary to yours without you getting in a huff? I will continue to express myself here, just like everyone else, despite you liking it or not...thanks for that though...

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in their defense, i don't consider it them being 'hostile' or 'rude'; they're standing up for what they believe in and might possibly know; when so much unfairness is going on and no one seems to care or want to even listen, you chimed in to stick up for republicans rather than just chiming in and stating your personal point of view to then accompany it by including your affiliate party if u found it necessary to do so.

--"life long republican"

maybe, if you started that off a little different, you would've had a more receptive response from them.

u identified yourself as the party; which is what you represent, at large, thus, u also are going to have to accept that by stating such, you're also going to have to claim and deal with everything else, just as well.

their opinion and what they're saying is no more valid, important than what you felt was important to state because you were offended.

i don't recall anyone ever saying 'poly..'

you chimed in, so, what's best to do is represent your party and consider it a chance to leave a positive impression since you're so 'involved'.

posted November 18, 2011 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
You're mistaking my bluntness for huffiness, somehow. If someone says something that is patently false, I will correct them.

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posted November 18, 2011 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
in their defense, i don't consider it them being 'hostile' or 'rude'; they're standing up for what they believe in and might possibly know; when so much unfairness it going on and no one seems to care or want to even listen, you chimed in to stick up for republicans rather than just chiming in and stating your personal point of view to then accompany it by including your affiliate party.

--"life long republican"

maybe, if you started that off a little different, you would've had a more receptive response from them.

u identified yourself as the party, which is what you represent, at large, thus, u also are going to have to accept that by stating such, you're also going to have to claim and deal with everything else, just as well.

their opinion and what they're saying is no more valid, important than what you felt was important to state because you were offended.

i don't recall anyone ever saying 'poly..'

you chimed in, so, what's best to do is represent your party and consider it a chance to leave a positive impression since you're so 'involved'.

it'd only be the productive thing to do and who knows, if you ever do run for office, you could've just maybe had one whole forum of readers change their opinion about what they consider 'insert partisan party here' to be.

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posted November 18, 2011 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by polysigh:
excuse me? but is this whole post just sarcasm? Seriously? I really cannot believe how expressing my one little point (that some people here may have differing beliefs so please let's not name call) has generated such hostility. did I maybe touch on something there? What a personal lesson in intellectual fascism this has been for me. Ridiculous! Your reaction to my one post, which was expressed in a nice, reasoned way, just proves my point all the more.

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in case you've not been acquainted;

allow me:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

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posted November 18, 2011 04:49 PM            

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So my OPINION was patently "false"?

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posted November 18, 2011 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I'll stop. Sorry. I like lively discussions (or arguments as other people like to call them lol).

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