posted December 28, 2011 08:28 PM            

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posted December 28, 2011 10:19 PM            

Important voting blocks for demoscats are illegal aliens, felons, the dead, unregistered voters who vote anyway, voters who submit absentee ballots and then go vote again in person and voters who vote numerous times in the same election under different names in different precincts.

A photo ID law would put a stop to most of the illegal votes being cast for demoscats.

South Carolina passed a voter photo ID law and the usual suspects...demoscats are most unhappy.

7 other states already have voter photo ID laws and enforce them..including Florida where I live. They are:

Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Indiana
Louisiana
Michigan
South Dakota

Things you can't do in most states without a photo ID.

buy alcohol

adopt a pet

purchase a rifle or handgun

write a check at the grocery store

make a credit card purchase at Best Buy

apply for a loan to purchase anything

start a new bank account

get married and receive a marriage license

drive

close on a house

get medical care

pick up a mailbox key from the US Post Office

get on a plane

get insurance

rent an apartment

get a job

get a hotel room

rent a car

get into City Hall

And likely a myriad of other things.

But, demoscats think voting...which is the cornerstone of America's Republic..shouldn't require a photo ID to prove you are who you say you are. Go figure!

posted December 28, 2011 10:40 PM            

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posted December 29, 2011 09:18 AM            

Things you can't do in most states without a photo ID.

Michigan

Apply for UE benefits
Receive State aid ie
food stamps
medicaid ... just to name a few more .

posted December 29, 2011 11:20 AM            

Legal registered voters have every right to demand their votes are not offset by votes of those voting illegally.

posted December 29, 2011 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
The South Carolina Attorney General should...and most likely will sue the Justice Department in Federal Court for attempting to interfere in what is a state issue.

Legal registered voters have every right to demand their votes are not offset by votes of those voting illegally.

Photo ID is one tool in the fight against voter fraud. And, isn't it odd that it's demoscats who are the defenders of voter fraud.

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I hope so!!!! I, never, thought I would see this in America.

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posted December 29, 2011 06:25 PM            

but if you want to talk about democrat voter fraud, how about all the people whose votes flipped over to gw when they tried to vote for kerry?

posted December 30, 2011 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
if the ID didn't require people to PAY for the right to vote, and if the requirements were made available to everyone in GOOD time so they weren't AT the polls before they found out about it...then no problem! i take my license with me anyway..

but if you want to talk about democrat voter fraud, how about all the people whose votes flipped over to gw when they tried to vote for kerry?

don't try to pretend that one side is any less crooked than the other, please!

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Did you not see the list that jwhop produced about what a person will need an ID for in order to obtain various services and products? How is it a person can purchase an ID in order to utilities, buy ALCOHOL yet they complain when it comes to producing that ID when it comes to voting?

In AZ this is what we need in order to vote and I am sure many other states require the same as well:

IMPORTANT NOTICE: ID at the polls is required for all Arizona elections.

Every qualified elector is required to show proof of identity at the polling place before receiving a ballot. The elector shall announce his/her name and place of residence or present the elector’s name and residence in writing to the election official. The elector shall present acceptable identification that:

1.Bears the name, address, and photograph of the elector (See List 1), or
2.Two different forms of identification that bear the name and address of the elector (See List 2), or
3.One form of acceptable photo identification with one form of non-photo identification that bears the name and address of the elector (See List 3)

List 1 - Acceptable forms of identification with photograph, name, and address of the elector

•Valid Arizona driver license
•Valid Arizona non-operating identification license
•Tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification
•Valid United States federal, state, or local government issued identification
An identification is "valid" unless it can be determined on its face that it has expired.

List 2 - Acceptable forms of identification without a photograph that bear the name and address of the elector (two required)

•Utility bill of the elector that is dated within 90 days of the date of the election. A utility bill may be for electric, gas, water, solid waste, sewer, telephone, cellular phone, or cable television
•Bank or credit union statement that is dated within 90 days of the date of the election
•Valid Arizona Vehicle Registration
•Indian census card
•Property tax statement of the elector's residence
•Tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification
•Arizona vehicle insurance card
•Recorder's Certificate
•Valid United States federal, state, or local government issued identification, including a voter registration card issued by the County Recorder
•Any mailing to the elector marked “Official Election Material”
An identification is "valid" unless it can be determined on its face that it has expired.

List 3 - Acceptable forms of identification, one identification with name and photo of the elector accompanied by one non-photo identification with name and address

•Any valid photo identification from List 1 in which the address does not reasonably match the precinct register accompanied by a non-photo identification from List 2 in which the address does reasonably match the precinct register
•U.S. Passport without address and one valid item from List 2
•U.S. Military identification without address and one valid item from List 2
An identification is "valid" unless it can be determined on its face that it has expired.

posted December 30, 2011 12:03 PM            

drinking alcohol and voting are not on equivalent levels of importance in my view!

nor are many of the other things on his list subjected to photo state ID checks!

lol at the credit card purchase at best buy; all they want is your credit card and it certainly doesn't have to be local or even american for that matter.

in many states now that utilities bill, or ANY unofficial non-photo ID are not accepted as voter ID. that is the whole point i was making.

making it difficult for the old, frail, poor and pedestrian to vote is a crime.

posted December 30, 2011 07:06 PM            

"If you can't prove who you are, you shouldn't be able to vote."

posted January 06, 2012 10:59 PM            

In the very liberal state of Illinois...O'Bomber's state, a new law requires the showing of photo ID to buy drain cleaner....but not to vote in an election.

Wonderful reasoning leftists!

New Law Requires Photo ID To Buy Drain Cleaner
January 5, 2012 6:34 PM

CHICAGO (CBS) – A new state law requires those who buy drain cleaners and other caustic substances to provide photo identification and sign a log.

posted January 12, 2012 02:46 PM            

So, what else is new?

There's this.

In NH, activists requested and received ballots in the name of dead people. They did so to show the enormous potential for VOTER FRAUD.

Guess what demoscats want to do about it?

demoscats want to go after those who exposed the potential for voter fraud.

Guess what demoscats don't want to do about it?

demoscats don't want to clean up voter fraud by requiring photo ID to vote. Go figure!

"Yesterday TheDC presented James O’Keefe’s latest video sting, showing how easy it is to use a dead person’s ballot to vote in New Hampshire. The reaction was immediate. TheDC’s David Martosko and Christopher Bedford report:

“GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that a video showing conservative activists obtaining New Hampshire primary ballots in the names of dead people indicates that President Obama’s Justice Department isn’t doing enough to protect the integrity of the voting process. ‘How can the Obama Justice Department call itself a Department of Justice when it will allow a system to continue that enables election fraud?’ Gingrich said. ‘Voter ID is a measure we must have in all 50 states to make sure our elections don’t lose their integrity… If you can’t prove who you are, an impostor can vote for you, a non-citizen can vote for you and someone can watch the obituary pages and go vote for all our deceased citizens,’ Gingrich told TheDC. ‘When election fraud occurs we cheat honest voters,’ he added.”

Which is why the left is so angry about O’Keefe exposing it. Check out this breathless report from Talking Points Memo:

“…Election law experts tell TPM that O’Keefe’s allies could face criminal charges on both the federal and state level for procuring ballots under false names, and that his undercover sting doesn’t demonstrate a need for voter ID laws at all. Federal law bans not only the casting of, but the ‘procurement’ of ballots ‘that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held.’ Hamline University law professor David Schultz told TPM that there’s ‘no doubt’ that O’Keefe’s accomplices violated the law.”
In sum: “Voter fraud doesn’t exist. Arrest James O’Keefe for voter fraud!” Keep those fingers crossed, lefties.

Not all Democrats are corrupt, of course, as TheDC’s Christopher Bedford reports:

“Video footage of undercover reporters obtaining New Hampshire primary ballots intended for people who have died may appear shocking, but it is no surprise to Artur Davis, a former Democratic congressman and vocal advocate against voter ID fraud. The way to prevent this kind of fraud, he told The Daily Caller, is simple: Require identification at the polls… ‘Voter fraud is common in many jurisdictions,’ David told TheDC. ‘I’m struck by the people who forcibly argue there’s no such thing, that it never happens. Many jurisdictions are slow to purge their rolls, so people who have been dead for a number of years can still be on those rolls, and people who have died more recently are certainly on them.’ A law requiring voters to present ID, he continued, ‘is just one more step in the transparency process… You can’t cash a check, enter a lot of private buildings in Washington, D.C. and New York City without one. It’s just not a serious impediment in peoples’ lives.’”

Unless, of course, they’re people who can’t win elections without voter fraud. Then it becomes a very serious impediment indeed.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/12/thedc-morning-dems-defend-voting-rights-of-the-dead/

posted January 12, 2012 05:14 PM            

and what illinois does is no more relevant than any other state. you seem to forget that while his "residence" may have been illinois, ALL the states are obama's states right now..lol.

posted January 12, 2012 05:40 PM            

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“…Election law experts tell TPM that O’Keefe’s allies could face criminal charges on both the federal and state level for procuring ballots under false names, and that his undercover sting doesn’t demonstrate a need for voter ID laws at all. Federal law bans not only the casting of, but the ‘procurement’ of ballots ‘that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held.’ Hamline University law professor David Schultz told TPM that there’s ‘no doubt’ that O’Keefe’s accomplices violated the law.”
In sum: “Voter fraud doesn’t exist. Arrest James O’Keefe for voter fraud!” Keep those fingers crossed, lefties.

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That summation isn't at all supported by what was said. David Schultz said that the "sting" operation used fraud to allege fraud. By seeking ballot via fraudulent means those people participated in fraud. In sum, "Voter fraud exists when you attempt to participate in voter fraud."

As to the overall story, there are over 239,000 voters that don't have a state driver's license or ID. 37,000 of those people are dead. 957 of the dead voted. In sum, fraud by 957 people means 202,000 people shouldn't be allowed to vote without ID. Should 202,000 be penalized because a thousand people (more or less; it could be vastly more or less, though however many people only put 957 fraudulent votes out) committed fraud? How were those 202,000 people registered in the first place? Are they imaginary, because they don't have IDs? I don't know. They could be...

posted January 13, 2012 09:34 AM            

Ballots for dead people were obtained...but not to vote illegally...what the hell do you think a ballot is for acoustic...but to document the fact that there are holes in our election system which permit anyone who wants to commit voter fraud to do so.

The former democrat congressman has it right. No one should be permitted to vote without proper positive ID which proves they are who they say they are. AND "voter fraud is very common in many jurisdictions".

500 votes...in Florida...determined the Presidential election in 2000.

"At least 445 Florida felons voted illegally on Nov. 7, an investigation by The Miami Herald has found."

"Nearly 75 percent of the votes by felons were cast by registered Democrats. The felons included 62 robbers, 56 drug dealers, 45 killers, 16 rapists and 7 kidnappers. It is illegal for felons to vote in Florida unless they formally apply to have their voting privileges reinstated.

So now you see why demoscats consider illegal aliens, dead persons, unregistered voters and felons to be important demoscat voting blocks. 75% of felons prefer demoscats.

"As to the overall story, there are over 239,000 voters that don't have a state driver's license or ID. 37,000 of those people are dead. 957 of the dead voted. In sum, fraud by 957 people means 202,000 people shouldn't be allowed to vote without ID"...acoustic

Getting your facts out of Cracker Jacks boxes again acoustic.

It's simply incredible anyone would believe there are only 239K people who don't have photo ID and only 37,000 dead people still on states rolls as being alive...and therefore eligible to vote.

Add to that, the state rolls are full of people who have moved out of that state...who could either come back and vote or request an absentee ballot, vote, then go vote again where ever they are.

Add to those the felons still carried on states rolls who are not eligible to vote...unless they've gone through the process to have their voting rights restored and the numbers jump into the millions.

Photo ID across America is needed to depress voter fraud.

demoscats resist because fraudulent voters are an important voting block for demoscats.

"ALL the states are obama's states right now..lol."...katatonic

posted January 13, 2012 09:44 AM            

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Getting your facts out of Cracker Jacks boxes again acoustic.

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I've never gotten facts out of a Cracker Jacks box, Jwhop. I got those figures straight out of a S.C. newspaper (this is a South Carolina story after all). Don't be ridiculous.

posted January 16, 2012 10:08 AM            

They like voter fraud and attempt to assist fraudulent voters in every way possible.

The reason is clear. Illegal alien voters, dead voters, felon voters, fictitious voters and voters who vote multiple times in the same election are important voting blocks in demoscat circles.

One demoscat Governor even wants to suspend elections. That way, the "political class" wouldn't have to worry about what da peeps think.

January 16, 2012
The Left's War on Voter Fraud Reform
By Robert Knight

Pretty soon, the right to cast a meaningful vote might be just a memory.

The issue at hand is ensuring that American citizens can exercise the most fundamental civil right of being an American -- casting a vote with the assurance that it will count and not be canceled by an illegitimate vote.

The ACLU has filed three lawsuits seeking to overturn a new Florida law that tightens the integrity of the ballot box, while the Obama Justice Department has scotched South Carolina's new photo ID law. It's part of a nationwide campaign by the left to overturn numerous recently enacted laws designed to defeat voter fraud.

The ACLU claims that the Florida law, enacted by the Republican-controlled legislature and signed by Republican Gov. Rick Scott, will suppress participation by minority, young, and elderly voters.

Actually, the new rules adopted by Florida, South Carolina, and other states are aimed at Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Elmer Fudd, who work out of former ACORN offices and whose names turn up on registration rolls and recall petitions.

The ACORN people, perhaps deploying Alvin and the Chipmunks with clipboards, seem to have little trouble signing up Mickey and his friends when elections roll around.

Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, video sting artist James O'Keefe and his team have exposed the fact that dead people's names were readily accepted by poll workers during Tuesday's presidential primary election.

Although Democrats insist that little or no voter fraud is occurring, at least 55 former Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) employees or associates have been convicted of some form of voter fraud in 11 states, according to the Capital Research Center's Matthew Vadum.

Voter integrity rules are long overdue to prevent fraud, and Democrats seem to think that minority, young, and elderly people are morons who can't play by the same rules as everyone else.

The left's strategy is simple: energize the base with false fears while depicting Republicans as barely disguised Klansmen with pitchforks and torches.

In December, Attorney General Eric Holder, Jr. ordered a halt to South Carolina's new photo ID law. Several of his fellow Democrats have compared voter fraud prevention to Jim Crow laws like poll taxes. But the state provides free photo IDs, and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley has even offered to drive people to the polls who could not get there otherwise.

At a January 10 press conference in Columbia, Haley and South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson announced that the state will sue the Justice Department within the next week or two.

State Sen. Kevin Bryant said from the podium, "When I'm not here, I'm a pharmacist. When you come in my store, and you refill a narcotic prescription, I have to take and look at a picture ID to verify that you're getting your prescription. Let's talk about voter suppression. If you vote, and someone else votes fraudulently, they've suppressed your vote. It's exactly the opposite of what the Obama administration has accused us of."

Under the Voting Rights Act of 1965, any changes to voting law or redistricting in nine states, including South Carolina and Florida, must be approved by the U.S. Justice Department or a three-judge U.S. District Court panel in the District of Columbia.

That panel is reviewing four Florida provisions that "cut the number of early voting days, put new restrictions on organizations that conduct voter registration drives, require voters who change out-of-county addresses at the polls on Election Day to cast provisional ballots and reduce the shelf life of citizen initiative petition signatures from four to two years," according to the Associated Press.

"The Justice Department has cleared the rest of the law, but Florida Secretary of State Kurt Browning chose to have the court, instead, rule on the most controversial provisions. Browning, a Scott appointee, said he wanted the decision to be free of 'outside influence'," the AP reported. Indeed.

The ACLU also assisted with a separate lawsuit in Tallahassee by the "non-partisan" League of Women Voters against the law's registration provision. A hearing is set for Jan. 26. Yet another ACLU lawsuit was dismissed by a federal judge in Miami.

Seven states passed laws in 2011 requiring photo IDs, and others shortened early voting timeframes and tightened requirements for absentee ballots. All but 13 states had legislation introduced in 2011 dealing with the critical issue of voter integrity.

Five states (Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, and North Carolina) enacted photo ID laws that were vetoed by Democratic governors.

Speaking of such, North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue was caught on tape last September wishing that elections could be suspended so that lawmakers wouldn't have to worry about what voters thought.

If you can't fix the election, why not just cancel it?

posted January 30, 2012 11:28 AM            

Citizens who are still breathing AND are elgible to vote simply need to get a photo ID, register to vote...and then VOTE.

Nothing could be simpler but demoscats who stand to lose lots of their usual illegal votes are hysterical and uttering the usual shopworn nonsense over voter photo ID.

I wonder if demoscats have any idea how utterly foolish and absurd their antics appear to main stream America.

And now, from Florida!

The Rich Ate My Vote
By Larry Thornberry
1.30.12

A report from the Nelson/Durbin inquisitional rally on voters under Republican duress.

TAMPA -- With Florida Republicans set to vote Tuesday for their preferred presidential nominee -- almost surely Mitt Romney -- Democrats chose Friday to put on a political show-trial accusing Republicans of attempting to deny the vote to blacks, the young, the elderly, and selected other Democratic constituencies (no mention yet of widows and orphans, but it's early).

The show took place at the Hillsborough County Court House in downtown Tampa Friday, and it starred Democratic U.S. Senators Dick Durbin of Illinois and Bill Nelson of Florida, along with a supporting cast of useful witnesses who (as we have learned to say) stayed on message.

Nelson, seeking re-election this year, has charged that changes made by the heavily Republican Florida Legislature last year to Florida's voter laws are nothing short of attempts at voter suppression, suppression that strikes at the very heart of democracy and self-government. Durbin used his Senate Judiciary subcommittee to orchestrate this overwrought charge by holding a hearing Friday in which witness after witness repeated the Democratic talking points. I've been to pep rallies that were less one-sided.

Republicans, including the legislative sponsors of the legislation, spokesmen for the Florida Secretary of State's and the governor's office, and the chairman of the Republican Party of Florida, say the charges are bogus -- cheap and transparent political theater. The laws were changed to save some election expense and to guard against voter fraud, they say, and do not prevent anyone from registering and voting.

The Durbin/Nelson rodeo got going Friday morning in front of the courthouse with the usual demonstrators with quaint costumes and loudspeakers forecasting the end of self-government if these evil laws are not struck from the books. Scattered among the college students and various leftist indignatos were a few counter-demonstrators who weren't going along with the gag. Most of these thought Nelson, rather than Florida's new voting laws, should go.

Dueling signs carried such messages as: "Those who fear our votes don't deserve our votes," and "Buh bye Bill Nelson." There were several rat-bags with signs indicating they were "part of the 99 percent" (of what, their appearance did not make clear). And there was one lonely guy whose sign carried this universal but ambiguous message: "The joke's on us."

Retiree Lew Green of Apollo Beach thought he knew what the joke was. He didn't miss the irony of a senator from Illinois, with its colorful history of voting practices, lecturing Floridians on how to vote. "I'm from Chicago," Lew told me. "I can't wait till I die so I can go back home to vote."

So what's the ostensible cause of all this heavy breathing on the part of Nelson, Durbin, et al.? No, the poll tax hasn't been re-instated. The legislature, however, did cut early voting days in Florida from 14 to eight, but added evening and weekend hours so plenty of non-work hours are available to all voters. The time that third-party registration outfits have to turn in voter paper work to supervisors of elections offices was more than cut in half and penalties added for late filing.

That's it. Inside the court house, witness after witness said what Nelson and Durbin wanted to hear, that the new arrangements leave blacks and Hispanics and students and the elderly at wits end as how to ever register and cast a vote. No mention that Florida counties have multiple supervisor of elections offices and that other venues, Department of Motor Vehicles offices and public libraries to name just two, are available for the eligible to register or to deal with matters such as address changes.

There's ample time to deal with these matters before elections. But Friday's witnesses, many from various racial and ethnic grievance groups, panted that this minimal level of responsibility required on the part of potential voters is just too big an obstacle for their constituencies. One witness shot the moon by saying the new laws were worse than Jim Crow, an absolutely knee-buckling thing to say, not just because the guy saying it wasn't even born when Jim Crow, a truly nasty fellow, was run out of town. Neither Durbin nor Nelson had anything to say about this remarkable assertion. Apparently when accusing Republicans of perfidy, there is no upper limit, no credibility test at all. One is justified in wondering if there would have been even a ripple if a witness had claimed the new law requires poll workers to eat Democrats if they attempted to vote.

At the end of the proceedings, the spinning of the issue complete, the unanswered charges laid out in breathless detail, Nelson said, "Mr. Chairman, I think that rule of law has been assaulted here in this state by this election law under the pretense of election fraud." There was indeed a good deal of pretense going on in Tampa on Friday. But not the kind Nelson wants the world to believe. The purpose of the "hearing" was clearly not to gather information but to deliver a point of view. If anything was assaulted, it was common sense.

For the most part the mainstream media in Florida played their assigned role in this charade. No matter how transparently overwrought and politically motivated the charges are, Florida reporters mostly rose to the bait, as Nelson knew they would. News outlets took the charges seriously in newspaper stories and TV stand-ups, rarely quoting anyone on the other side of the issue.

Florida isn't the only state in the voting law hot seat this year. Durbin said his subcommittee will be looking at the laws of more than 30 states in search of similar frontal attacks on the franchise. His ministry will be supported by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, who has crooned about how evil Republicans are attempting to require Democratic voters to meet unreasonable standards at the polls, like having to show a photo I.D. to ensure the voter is who he represents himself to be. (Yes, a photo I.D. The same thing many Americans have to show to cash a check or to buy a six-pack of beer.)**Or buy Draino in Illinois! Snicker, Snicker!**