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Topic: Going Outside of the Congress
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 26037 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 05, 2012 11:01 AM
This is chilling to me. Obama, himself, said he had to circumvent the Congress for the "good" of people. What is a dictator ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 7401 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 03:03 PM
dear ami. there are lots of things the president can do without congress. completely legally and constitutionally. and when congress spends a year dragging its feet because they don't want an already instated law ENACTED, he is not being a dictator in using those rights.however the new NDAA which you conservatives think is okay gives the president powers i would not want even the most honest man to have. the fact that obama has promised his administration won't use those powers against us the citizens is hardly reassuring...he said the same thing about messing with states that had made medical marijuana legal. guess what the feds are doing in that corner? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 26037 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 05, 2012 03:43 PM
You and I are too polarized to really see eye to eye, Kat. I wonder what Jwhop and Randall think.------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Emeraldopal Knowflake Posts: 1202 From: U Registered: Apr 2011
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posted January 05, 2012 04:03 PM
why is alcohol legal?------------------ All my love, with all my Heart lotusheartone IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4661 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 04:15 PM
O'Bomber does not have the Constitutional authority to by-pass the US Senate to make appointments in the Executive branch...without Senate Confirmation.Only exception...a recess appointment. But, the US Senate IS in session and meets for some business every third day...even during the Christmas and New Years holidays. This is an O'Bomber power grab. I suppose O'Bomber won't be satisfied until he's reduced the US to the status of a Banana Republic. One last thing on this. demoscats control the US Senate and a majority there. If O'Bomber can't get his "appointments" confirmed or even brought to the Senate floor for a vote..then O'Bomber needs to talk to Senate Majority Leader Hairy Reed and stop blaming the Republican minority in the Senate. November can't come too soon for me!
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Emeraldopal Knowflake Posts: 1202 From: U Registered: Apr 2011
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posted January 05, 2012 04:18 PM
Holler BackB A N A N A S ------------------ All my love, with all my Heart lotusheartone IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 26037 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 05, 2012 04:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: O'Bomber does not have the Constitutional authority to by-pass the US Senate to make appointments in the Executive branch...without Senate Confirmation.Only exception...a recess appointment. But, the US Senate IS in session and meets for some business every third day...even during the Christmas and New Years holidays. This is an O'Bomber power grab. I suppose O'Bomber won't be satisfied until he's reduced the US to the status of a Banana Republic. One last thing on this. demoscats control the US Senate and a majority there. If O'Bomber can't get his "appointments" confirmed or even brought to the Senate floor for a vote..then O'Bomber needs to talk to Senate Majority Leader Hairy Reed and stop blaming the Republican minority in the Senate. November can't come too soon for me!
I HOPE there are enough people who see it for what it is!
------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 26037 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 05, 2012 06:35 PM
It gets worse and worse. Now Obomber wants to cut the military!------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5757 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 08:50 PM
It was a legal recess appointment, one which would withstand a legal battle. Obama shouldn't have to wait forever to man a department with a Republican. Congress's objection isn't even about the person. It objects to the department the person would be in charge of. The power grab in this case is really on the part of Congress.For the record, Obama has made far fewer recess appointments than his last two predecessor's, so tossing around the word "Dictator" is both too strong and ludicrous. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 26037 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 05, 2012 09:09 PM
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 3138 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 09:30 PM
I`m stumped by the issue made here. The appointments were Constitutionally legal... that`s the like or lump it part, yes? The axe to grind is: how long must the Senate be in recess before a president can make a recess appointment? Anyhow , that`s how I understand the appointments and grief over them ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5757 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 10:17 PM
Yeah, that question exists as well as the question of what constitutes a session. Are they really conducting business while everyone's out of town?IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4661 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2012 10:27 PM
Presidents have explored this issue before.When Bush appointed John Bolton during a real Senate recess, O'Bomber was outraged. But Bush never made a recess appointment when the Senate was in pro forma session and still meeting for some business....as the Senate is now. Hairy Reed is the Senate Majority Leader. Hairy Reed controls the process there. One of the reasons the Senate is in session every third day is to prevent O'Bomber from making recess appointments. If this goes to court...and it should, O'Bomber is going to lose in his power grab. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4661 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 05:47 AM
The Lawless Obama Regime January 05, 2012 BEGIN TRANSCRIPTRUSH: All right, some people in the e-mail have taken exception with my description of Obama as "lawless" and acting outside the Constitution. Let me share with you a quote, and this is from a video. It might have been from yesterday out in Ohio, but it's within the past couple days. Obama said, "When Congress refuses to act -- and as a result, hurts our economy and puts our people at risk -- then I have an obligation as president to do what I can without them." He got applause. "I have an obligation to act on behalf of the American people. I'm not going to stand by while a minority in the Senate puts party ideology ahead of the people that we elected to serve. Not with so much at stake, not at this make-or-break moment for middle class Americans. We're not gonna let that happen." Now, the Founding Fathers said this is exactly what's supposed to happen! It's called "the separation of powers," and it's to make sure that things like this do not happen, that an all-powerful executive does not run roughshod over the government. But President Obama has just said: Because the Congress won't do what I want them to do I'm gonna do it myself. That is extraconstitutional! That is not the way this government was set up. It was not the idea of the Founders. That's acting outside the Constitution, and there's no question about it -- and the Obama campaign is claiming he's doing all these recess appointments and things like this "to help the economy." Reuters again: "Hammering populist themes that show him to be a champion of the middle class, aides say the president will keep taking steps to show voters he'll make moves on his own to help the economy if Congress refuses to act."
If Congress "refuses to act," it is his job to sit down and talk to 'em and make 'em act and get them to vote the way he wants. He does not have -- unless they grant it to him (and they're doing it, by the way) -- the authority to run roughshod over them. But if they don't stop him, he can do it. We can't. Congress has to stand up for itself. Now, the Democrats run the Senate. I think they're happy for this to happen. Dingy Harry loves for this to happen because they're sitting there blaming it on the House Republicans who have no role in this. It's an election year, so blame the Republicans for it. Folks, it is clearly lawless. If you regard the Constitution as law, this is lawless behavior by an out-of-control, rogue executive. This is what happens in banana republics, tinhorn dictatorships. In places like Venezuela, this is what happens -- all under the guise of populism and helping the middle class. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/05/the_lawless_obama_regime IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4661 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 05:50 AM
Mark Levin: 'We Have a Constitutional Crisis' "That is a forthright statement of a dictator.” By Patrick Burke January 5, 2012On his radio show last night, Mark Levin said that President Barack Obama has caused a “constitutional crisis” by appointing members to the National Labor Relations Board and a director to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau without going through the constitutionally required Senate confirmation process. “We have a constitutional crisis," Levin said. "It is in fact a constitutional crisis." "The President of the United States is trashing the Constitution now day in and day out,” Levin said. At one point, Levin likened the explanation Obama made yesterday for appointing these federal officials without Senate confrmation to the "forthright statement of a dictator." http://cnsnews.com/blog/patrick-burke/mark-levin-we-have-constitutional-crisis IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4661 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 06:17 AM
Friday, January 06, 2012 Savage: Here’s what America will look like if Obama wins Son of Russian immigrant envisions something worse than Euro-socialism 12/07/2011 Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez If Barack Obama wins in 2012, America is headed for something worse than a failing European-style socialist state, top-rated radio host Michael Savage said on his nationally syndicated show today. “I have to tell you that if this man, God forbid, is the next president of the United States, we’re going to be living in something along the lines of – people say Europe. I don’t believe it’s going to be like Europe – I think it will be closer to Chavez’s South American dictatorship,” he told his “Savage Nation” audience. Recalling his background as the son of an immigrant from Russia, who has been around awhile and seen a number of administrations, Savage said that if he had one message to leave, it would be a warning about what he fears is on the horizon. “This is the most corrupt, incompetent, dangerous tyrannical administration in American history,” he declared. “It’s not politics as usual. It’s not just Democrats versus Republicans,” Savage said. Obama, he said, is “not a Democrat,” noting the president’s history of ties to Marxists and other radicals documented in his book “Trickle Up Poverty.” “Obama has a long history of being at odds with American values and with America itself and the core principles of this country.” Savage said. Savage pointed to media as one of the areas in which “step by step, degree by degree, we’re losing our freedom.” He cited a WND story by Aaron Klein about a non-profit journalism group funded by supporters of MoveOn.org and the ACLU that will supply news to NBC television affiliates. “They don’t want government-sponsored opinions,” he said, “They only want government-sponsored “Pravda.’” “Pravda,” which ironically means “truth” in Russian, he noted, was the official Communist Party newspaper in the old Soviet Union. “That’s exactly what the government-media complex tells you on a daily basis – nothing but the government-media complex party line,” he said. “Pay attention,” Savage concluded. “Your freedom may be at stake.” http://www.wnd.com/2011/12/375385/ IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 26037 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 06, 2012 08:45 AM
YES!! I need like minded people to talk to because I feel I am in an alternate universe. Just as Rush said, they are manipulating the unemployment figures. I just saw this on Bing. Man, it is so weird HOW asleep everyone is. I am glad I can come here and comment. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3138 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 09:45 AM
"What constitutes a session"? I can`t find anything definitive re the subject, any pointers folks ? ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3138 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 10:06 AM
Seems no one`s hands are clean: quote: Democrats have used the same tactic that Republicans are using now.Late in Republican George W. Bush's presidency, the Democratic-led Senate began to punctuate its breaks with non-business sessions, preventing Bush from making any recess appointments from November 2007 through the end of his term, according to a December report by Congress' nonpartisan Congressional Research Service. That report said the Department of Justice has offered varying views over the years about how long lawmakers must be away before a recess appointment may be made. But in 1993 under President Bill Clinton, a Justice brief implied that a president can make a recess appointment if a break by the Senate lasts more than three days, the CRS report said. That brief cited a clause in the Constitution that forbids either chamber of Congress from adjourning for more than three days unless the other chamber has voted to let them do so..
http://news.yahoo.com/recess-constitution-doesnt-specify-222641680.html Seriously, is this simply another distraction that will drag on ? ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 4661 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 11:37 AM
"But in 1993 under President Bill Clinton, a Justice brief implied that a president can make a recess appointment if a break by the Senate lasts more than three days, the CRS report said."Well, you see the Senate is meeting every 3rd day...which means there are only 2 days between meetings...and there would have to be 4 (more than 3) before O'Bomber could make a recess appointment. So, Bush abided by the agreement with the Senate and O'Bomber violates the agreement and the Constitution. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5757 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 11:47 AM
There is one significant difference no one seems willing to notice here: the Senate is fine with the person. The Senate has been holding back the confirmation because they want the department changed. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1739 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 12:10 PM
quote: There is one significant difference no one seems willing to notice here: the Senate is fine with the person. The Senate has been holding back the confirmation because they want the department changed.
They would like everyone to forget that it exists. Period. You are right to point out that the name is the misdirected focus. They [congress] have been dragging this out for over a year.The Dem's might have a majority in the senate, but so far that has been pretty useless. A super-majority is required for every freaking appointment/bill/amendment. Recess appointments are SOP, a process that Obama has been far too tentative in using. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3138 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 12:31 PM
AG, I understand it is the department not the person. My motive is to understand the legal process. quote: Seriously, is this simply another distraction that will drag on ?
------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 5757 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 12:37 PM
The legal process in this case isn't super clear. Democrats made up this tactic of trying to keep Congress in session despite no business actually getting done to spite Bush. Now it seems Republicans are trying to accomplish the same thing. There isn't a lot of case law or precedent involved however, so if this were to go to court the decision would essentially create the legal precedent.My personal guess is that a judge would look at whether the supposed session actually resembled what would be considered a normal session. Lawyers have told me the analogy that if it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, eats like a duck, etc. ... it should be considered a duck. I was told that in reference to employment law, but I would venture a bet that this common sense practice is pervasive in legal dealings. If these sessions don't prove to resemble a regular Congressional session, they probably won't legally be deemed a session. IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 3138 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 06, 2012 12:48 PM
Precisely and why I am so curious about the call of "power grab" when there isn`t a definitive law. Most interesting times we live in! ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |