posted January 11, 2012 11:53 AM            

When it comes to how Americans view President Obama going into the new year, there appears to be very little spirit of Auld Lang Syne. Instead, according to the new Washington Whispers poll, many voters aren't forgetting what they dislike about Obama and want him out of office.

In our New Year's poll, when asked what news event they fear most about 2012, Americans by a margin of two-to-one said Obama's reelection. Only 16 percent said they fear the Democrat won't win a second term, while 33 percent said they fear four more years.

Next to Obama's reelection, 31 percent of Americans said they feared higher taxes, which may be proof that the president's focus on the payroll tax cut has hit paydirt.

The poll, however, held out some hope for Obama. Some 38 percent of younger Americans, 18-24, said their biggest fear was higher taxes. Just 28 percent of those same voters said they feared Obama winning in November.

But in results backed up by other polls, older Americans and those earning $75,000 or more are especially worried about the president getting a second term, according to the poll done by Synovate eNation.

Nearly half of Americans 65 and older said Obama's reelection was their top fear, 39 percent of those making $75,000 or more agreed.

As we enter the presidential election year of 2012, what potential news event do you fear the most?

President Obama wins reelection 33%

Taxes will increase 31%

Iran will get a nuclear weapon 16%

Obama will lose reelection 16%

North Korea will attack South Korea 4%

posted January 11, 2012 12:34 PM            

Or, are you saying there's no such poll at all?

posted January 11, 2012 12:56 PM            

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He's been campaigning for reelection for more than a year...if he ever stopped campaigning

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As of yesterday Obama's aids were still insisting that Obama hadn't campaigned much this early in the season. Based on everything I've seen, I'd say that's correct. He's participated a little. He's certainly fundraised a bit, too. Claiming that he's been focused on reelection over a year's time seems like quite an exaggeration.

posted January 11, 2012 01:08 PM            

I don't give a rat's ass what O'Bomber's aides are saying about what O'Bomber is doing.

posted January 11, 2012 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
If you had run that poll, I'd have no confidence in it whatsoever acoustic.

I don't give a rat's ass what O'Bomber's aides are saying about what O'Bomber is doing.

What, are we to believe O'Bomber's aides or our own lying eyes? O'Bomber only interrupts his campaign for reelection...to go on vacation.

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posted January 11, 2012 06:27 PM            

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posted January 11, 2012 07:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
JFK would be a conservative, today

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On planet delusional yes he would've, fortunately we live on Earth. JFK is and always will be a wide eyed and charismatic to a fault Democrat.

posted January 11, 2012 10:35 PM            

It's applied to those who expect us to believe them...instead of what we see with our own eyes.

For instance..."I've created 2.5 million jobs". Which is an absolute lie.

posted January 11, 2012 11:28 PM            

This post was no different. I saw an article today stated that Romney is gaining on Obama in the polls:

The survey showed Obama leading the Republican front-runner by 48 percent to 43 percent, compared to a 48 percent to 40 percent difference a month ago. The former governor bested Obama in a poll conducted in late October. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/10/us-usa-campaign-poll-idUSTRE8091RS20120110

posted January 12, 2012 09:29 AM            

Take for instance the results of the poll you just cited. What a shocking display of incompetence in analyzing the results!

Let me 'splain it to you acoustic.

IF a political polling organization polls vastly more demoscats than republicans and also under polls Independents, the poll results are going to be skewed. Very!

O'Bomber's real numbers are no where near what the results of this so called poll shows.
http://link.reuters.com/byx85s

They polled 47% demoscats acoustic. demoscats are no where near 47% of the population in the US.

They polled 15% Independents acoustic. Independents are no where near that small a percentage of the US population acoustic.

Nevertheless acoustic, I like it when leftists fool themselves into believing O'Bomber's Marxist Socialist Progressive policies are going down well with a majority of Americans. It's simply amazing that the power of self deception is still alive and well in leftist circles. I can recall leftists being afflicted with PEST after Bush election results were published. Post Election Stress Trauma!

These are graphics from a very recent Gallup Poll acoustic. Notice the demoscat/republican/independent split reported by Gallup.

Now acoustic, notice this Gallup graphic of current party identification. I'm sure you'll get as good a laugh as I did at the poll you posted which polled 47% demoscats and 38% republicans.

Ummm, try to remember back to November 2010 acoustic...AND the bloodbath demoscats took in the US House and Senate. The republican and Independent numbers are stronger now than they were then.

Thank you O'Bomber, thank you very much!

posted January 12, 2012 10:16 AM            

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O'Bomber's real numbers are no where near what the results of this so called poll shows.

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Most polls of around a thousand people are nonsense, Jwhop. That's across the board. However, you've shown no ability to process the information out there regarding this election. That's clear from each one of your misguided beliefs. You like to pretend that any Republican could beat Obama when just last election you got your ass handed to you. You know who called that election correctly? Me. Don't go try to fool yourself that your party is stronger than it really is.

Kudos for using Pew. It's laughable that you're trying to use it against me who is already in command of the information contained therein.

Yes, declared Democrats outnumber declared Republicans, and of the 31% of Independents, Republicans and Democrats are tied. That means that overall registered Democrats + Democrat-leaning Independents outnumber all people leaning Republican. That reinforces MY point that the likelihood of people "fearing" Obama by a margin of 2 to 1 is preposterous.

The only person needing to get their head out of their ass around here is you, sir.

posted January 12, 2012 10:39 AM            

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“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic” -JFK

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What a great quote to illustrate the mental poverty of our time! No man with a proper understanding of the hidden forces between lies and myths would speak such an aberration.

If there were anything more subversive to the Truth than the lie, then I would rightly confess the limits of my knowledge there. Nothing in my experience has been more destructive to Truth than a lie; its very purpose is to keep Truth from being known.

Myths are the great enemy of truth? Now there's a childish notion of one choosing not to grow up. Only a man with much maturing to do could mark such a distinction.

If we're to get serious about polls, then let's go ahead and be honest: no poll whatsoever has any grounding in reality. It doesn't matter if they poll less or over a thousand people. All they do is catalogue approximate numbers and percentages at best, giving us a fraction of the statistical landscape.

Are we to believe then, Acoustic, that the polls which you rely on have a greater grounding on reality than the one jwhop has posted? Let's be honest about this and say, at least, that the polls-in-themselves have about equal grounding in reality: zero.

It's the interpretation of the polls that can begin to wade on the shores of Truth although, admittedly, the polls could never inspire anyone to be courageous enough to plunge into the depths. It takes more than polls to penetrate Truth. Myths have helped more towards that end than polls ever could.

Two-to-one fear Obama's re-election? Big deal. What I want to know of so many of those that fear his re-election - and they are out there because the political climate is fierce right now- is how many of them will actually make it to the polls and vote? It's one thing to fear something, but it's another thing to actually be motivated to do something about it. One hinges on the soul's senses, the other on the soul's inspiration.

Right now, there is a lot more inspiration in the souls of the people who want to vote against Obama. Voter turnout for people in favor of Obama looks much bleaker to me.

That's my own opinion, but one which I believe will likely have a firm grounding in reality come November. In the end, no poll can properly tell what will happen. Clear vision in the spirit, however, is limitless in knowledge and Truth.

I guess all we can say right now is, "We'll see."

posted January 12, 2012 10:51 AM            

First, you post the results of a poll...THEN, you say..."Most polls of around a thousand people are nonsense".

How about this acoustic.

STOP POSTING NONSENSE!

"I'm not extremist by any stretch of any rational person's imagination"...acoustic

Really acoustic? Calling terrorists "ballsy" because they're killing people they don't know" isn't an "extremist" viewpoint?

Really acoustic? Calling Bush a "murderer" isn't an "extremist" viewpoint?

Really acoustic? Saying America oppressed/repressed the citizens of Iraq...while Saddam was still in power there...because America didn't package up a water treatment plant and deliver it to Saddam...isn't an "extremist" viewpoint?

Hahahaha acoustic, you sure could have fooled me with all your "extremist" statements here.

Perhaps your viewpoints are "mainstream"...for the far, far, far loony-left but they're sure not "mainstream" in the rest of America...the vast majority of Americans.

posted January 12, 2012 11:41 AM            

I'm perfectly willing to throw out polls. As a percentage of society, they don't come close to representing the whole.

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Are we to believe then, Acoustic, that the polls which you rely on have a greater grounding on reality than the one jwhop has posted?

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As I said in my last post, I just used the most expedient poll to make my point. Across a wide variety of polls my point is/was made sound. There isn't a poll out there that would suggest Jwhop's 2-1 fear an Obama reelection is viable. Further, the numbers Jwhop posted regarding the demographics of the nation's voting population suggest an atmosphere favorable to a Democrat.

You are right in suggesting that the people in "fear" may not make it to voting, and this is really the only scenario favoring a 2-1 "fear" of an Obama reelection. The practical matter remains that Obama will in all likelihood retain around half of the overall vote. The supposed 2-1 fear won't pan out with a 66% victory for the Republican (unless something extraordinary happens between now and then).

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I guess all we can say right now is, "We'll see."

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I could never argue against that attitude. Lots can still happen to affect the outcome of this election. Right now, I think your sense of what will happen come November is tempered by a belief that isn't necessarily warranted.

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How about this acoustic.

STOP POSTING NONSENSE!

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You're asking me about not posting nonsense? I'm all for that. This thread wouldn't exist if nonsense hadn't been posted.

Jwhop, trying to make me out as an extremist by posting various takes on arguments I've successfully made here has never been a tactic that's worked for you. Day in and day out I show more common sense than you're even capable of. I'm better composed, clearer thinking, and more disciplined than you have a capacity for.

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Now acoustic, the Gallup poll numbers clearly show what's going on with party identification and the poll you cited simply doesn't line up with the real numbers. Therefore, it's worthless and it's senseless for you to argue against the poll saying "2 to 1, Americans fear a second term for O'Bomber". I doubt you understand the amount of anger all across America at O'Bomber's Marxist Socialist Progressive policy initiatives.

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This is a bogus argument.

First of all, your charts from Pew state that 40% of the electorate is declared Democrat. Second, your chart from Pew add to that a 45% share of the 31% that make up Independents. I'll round up to half since Republicans tied Democrats amongst Independents. 40% + 15% = 55% that are or lean Democratic. You took issue with a poll I don't have any stake in defending by stating that polling 45% Democrats is not an accurate slice of the American electorate. 45% is less than the 55% overall that lean Democratic. Talk about being mathematically challenged. The poll I posted doesn't matter. It's just one of several that suggest there's absolutely no merit to a poll that makes the absurd claim that people fear an Obama reelection by 2-1.

posted January 12, 2012 01:05 PM            

demoscats and those who lean demoscats DO NOT make up 55% of either the American public or "Likely Voters".