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NativelyJoan
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posted January 20, 2012 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xenophobic, Ignorant, culturally insensitive, globally desensitized, and humanly inadequate. Just a few words and phrases to describe a nation filled with people.

After years of trying to brush it to the side, (and in contingency with this forth coming 2012 election) it has become glaringly evident how utterly idiotic the individuals who inhabit this nation truly are. I'm very aware that many other parts of the globe are filled with all kinds of ignorant fools, but the frequency of these types of individuals seems unparalleled here in the US. I'd say speaking truthfully as an American citizen, that compared to the Universe we are one region of incredibly narrow minded sheep. And if we've been lucky enough to live even for a day anywhere outside of this nation we would have seen just how humiliatingly obvious it is to ourselves and the rest of the world how close minded we are. In addition to being seriously lacking in global knowledge and awareness and critical thinking abilities. What happened to making informed decisions? Doing theoretical research? Having data to support your assessments? Knowing about what's going on in the world? Knowing about other cultures and people? It seems as though many of us in this growing nation have powerful opinions to voice but no research or data to support them. Or even an awareness to expand our capacity for thinking expansively about the world.

"Remember how Democrats always refuse to fight back against smears because "The American people are too smart to fall for that"?

No, they aren't. In fact, Americans are no longer capable of arriving at opinions through actual thought:

Americans have a more negative view of government today than they did a decade ago, or even a few years ago. Most say it focuses on the wrong things and lack confidence that it can solve big domestic problems; this general anti-Washington sentiment is helping to fuel a potential Republican takeover of Congress next month.

But ask people what they expect the government to do for themselves and their families, and a more complicated picture emerges.

A new study by The Washington Post, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University shows that most Americans who say they want more limited government also call Social Security and Medicare "very important." They want Washington to be involved in schools and to help reduce poverty. Nearly half want the government to maintain a role in regulating health care.

So let's see...they like Social Security and Medicare, but they want spending cut to the bone. They want Washington to be involved in schools, but they want Washington out of their schools. They want Washington to help reduce poverty, but they don't want social programs for Those People." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26567.htm

We are a nation of fools. Share thoughts, opinions, articles if you feel spirited. This is a developing thread.

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Node
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posted January 21, 2012 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Americans are no longer capable of arriving at opinions through actual thought:

Although this statement is broad I would agree that it it is more true than not. I would amend the statement to say something like.... most, or the majority.

There are a few pockets around and about that actually read, and think for themselves. I have a strong suspicion that two of the largest pockets are to be found in Vermont and Maine.

When huge tracks of our print and visual media are owned by one person [octopus] you have a discourse owned. So many people believe the rhetoric, it is crazy...and repeated like scripture.

When I read the headlines of any ISP they are just as bad. Framed "nuws" guaranteed a click by shear salaciousness. Sigh~ Most people are dumb. Yeah I said it. They cannot even feed themselves.
The questions I get about how to microwave a food product leaves me little doubt of that sad fact.

How did we come to this pass? Laziness is my word for it. How do we dig out Joan? How do you lead a horse to water and make them think>?

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add that a vast majority would rather [it seems] discuss the Kardasians, or a game, than delve into serious discussions. I am terrible at small talk, so I gravitate to those who are equally allergic.

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NativelyJoan
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posted January 21, 2012 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Node:
How did we come to this pass? Laziness is my word for it. How do we dig out Joan? How do you lead a horse to water and make them think>?

Thanks for sharing your perspective Node, it's always appreciated. To answer your questions, I have possible suggestions but they would require a complete societal transformation down to the very framework of our cultural foundation. I theorize in terms of extremes and then gradually consider ways to find a middle ground. I think if we as Americans did more to educate ourselves about what's going on in the world beyond the mainstream media's twisted trite and political propaganda and hypocrisy, we'd be inching towards a basic form of cultural sensitivity and global awareness.

The scales are titled against broadening our minds culturally. We've gotten so consumed in the media, political and cultural pollution of our society, even our public educational system continues to fail us in relation to global knowledge. I was just out of the country recently and the people I met knew more about the world and America's history, political framework and culture then many American's I've had similar discussions with. Maybe we are vain in a sense only thinking about ourselves as a nation and culture while not even considering how big this planet is and how many other individuals and communities of varied cultures inhabit it. In addition to how much we as a nation impact the rest of the world and vice versa.

It's making a decision to be ignorant, really. I think we have to try harder to know more and engage in things that might be unfamiliar or foreign to us as Americans and people. Things that give us a better understanding of our globe and these incredible cultures that compromise it. It's crazy because we are the cultural melting pot however many of us know very little of other cultures, and even our own.

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posted January 22, 2012 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've interacted with people from all around the world and my general impression is that people from other parts of the world are more intelligent, educated (including on American history and government), and aware than those in the United States. (However, it should be noted that most people who travel have money, and in other parts of the world that means better schooling and mental acuity, so it could be that if I actually went to their countries rather than meeting travelers from those countries in America that I'd find them as shallow and uninformed as I find most Americans.)

Anyway, I thought you'd want to see this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/25/1039957/-STUNNING:-Comparing-U S-World-Covers-for-TIME-Magazine

And it's not just TIME. For example, CNNI is typically far better than CNN. And interesting enough I find that foreign news services seem to understand our government, history, and constitutional matters even better than the local media (and as an added bonus they don't editorialize on how we should think or feel about it).

Oh! If you can check out "Main Stream Miss." Though it's from Russia Today (in my experience, the Russian media really shouldn't be trusted), she has some brilliant commentary on what our media misses--and why.

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posted January 22, 2012 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The education levels have been off for years in the U.S, and it shows.

RE: informed citizenry, and-- other nations knowing U.S. history and our machinations better than we do ourselves. The Irish are particularly good at this. They read more news than nearly any other nation.

I find myself tuning to Al Jazeera frequently. It is refreshing to hear the same news framed from a different perspective. Current TV has interesting offerings both news, and docs, though the Young Turks are far better on the web.

And who is not utterly sick of the media fixation with politics as opposed to policy? Or, headlines for over a year about the new Red flavor of the week.

recent quote I like->

quote:

It's like 31 flavors of toxic sludge. But don't hate the sludge: it is what it is. What concerns me most are the customers who can't get enough of it.


Jane~ Thanks for posting the time covers. I have seen comparisons before, but are they getting worse? More polarized certainly.

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The paradox of Guantanamo has always been that it’s been invisible to so many Americans, and yet the only thing the rest of the world sees. The whole point of the prison camp there was to create a legal black hole. We’ve fished our wish: The world sees only blackness; we see only a hole.

~Dahlia Lithwick http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/01/what_we_might_want_to_remember_about_forgetting_on_the_10th_anniversary_of_the_prison_camp_at_guantanamo.

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NativelyJoan
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posted January 22, 2012 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I've interacted with people from all around the world and my general impression is that people from other parts of the world are more intelligent, educated (including on American history and government), and aware than those in the United States. (However, it should be noted that most people who travel have money, and in other parts of the world that means better schooling and mental acuity, so it could be that if I actually went to their countries rather than meeting travelers from those countries in America that I'd find them as shallow and uninformed as I find most Americans.)

Thanks for sharing PixieJane. I've always been more interested in international news media in comparison to local or national here in the US because of the lack in accuracy and media manipulation. I agree with what you mention in regards to station in life and accessibility to travel and satisfactory education. It's truly unfortunate that our society historically has always bent towards dividing the masses and favoring the wealthy. If you don't have the resources you might not have the opportunities to be exposed to other cultures and gain a certain level of global knowledge and awareness. It just points to the realization that we need to reshape the foundation of our modern societies.

Satisfactory education and accessibility to cultures and travel shouldn't be a privilege meant solely for the wealthy. Each day I feel more and more like we're stuck in the 18th or 19th century's and besides technology and attempts at societal progressiveness not much has changed within the social sphere of our culture.

I will say though in regards to people within other cultures who aren't as exposed to the media or international news, that in the case of my home country South Africa, they still know a great deal about the world. I do work in South Africa, for orphanages and other volunteer work and my family lives there. Let me tell you, even the natives who live in rural villages, the towns and townships can discuss President Obama, and international events and politics as well as the hypocrisy within many global societies including the US. They aren't blind to what's going on in the world. People talk and they share information and knowledge gets passed around. (This however does not include the individuals within my country that have specically chosen to live a formally isolated and solitary life. )

Node, I've always been a interested viewer of Al Jazeera and I also get some of my international news from BBC and other international news organizations. I'm also from South Africa so I tune into many South Africa's news media networks and organizations.

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jwhop
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posted January 23, 2012 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those who believe themselves to be intellectually, morally and spiritually superior beings:

We have examined your claims and find no basis for your belief system; unless it's a cover for an inferiority complex.

The progenitor of your belief system was an intellectual pygmy who was himself morally and spiritually bankrupt. On his best day, he was a fifth rate thinker.

The socio-political-governmental-economic system he spawned is the biggest failure in the history of Earth and the most bloody.

The people and groups you choose to champion are a howling, screeching, shrieking, irrational, anti-American, anti-Capitalist, delusional mob of juvenile narcissist misfits. The authors and publications you choose to quote and promote are cut from the same bolt of cloth.

As frustrating as it is to you, the rest of us are going to enforce the dictum, E pluribus unum; Out of many, One:

One nation
One culture
One language
One people

Those of you who cannot get down with the underlying foundation of American ideals are doomed to experience a lifetime of frustration. We're not going to radically transform America to suit you. Neither are we going to take advice from you on how to run our government(s), our businesses, our economy or our lives.

You are the last people on earth from whom we would seek or accept advice. Ditto the European Socialists.

Far from being the intellectually, morally and spiritually superior beings your writings claim, we find you to be among the least capable among us.

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posted January 23, 2012 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FUNNY jwhop~ i thought you were amongst those here who decried the state of public education, the dumbing down of our kids? which FYI is where MOST people go to school, the local public. homeschooling is increasing, as is private education, but the public schools by FAR outnumber those in turnout...

so is your rebuttal just to be on the "other side" of those you call leftists?

and once again you pretend that the intellectuals of this country are not REALLY american...

unfortunately even "good schools" frequently bow to the LCD and teach kids how to conform, reiterate and "do as you're told", rather than training them in critical thinking.

nothing new about that. it was true when i was in grade school, and even if you stood out for intelligence, you were penalized and punished and humiliated for stepping outside the clearly defined LINES of behaviour and learning material.

and then there is the popular media run by "there's no law that says news has to be factual (or true)" rupee murdoch..which has SATURATED the airwaves to the point where i can no longer listen to the "news" pundits!

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NativelyJoan
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posted January 23, 2012 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Those of you who cannot get down with the underlying foundation of American ideals are doomed to experience a lifetime of frustration. We're not going to radically transform America to suit you. Neither are we going to take advice from you on how to run our government(s), our businesses, our economy or our lives.

Once again Jwhop, you seem to take everything out of context and throw ridiculous generalizations into the discussion, all the while completely distorting the direction and focus of this incisive thread.

No one here is challenging American Ideals. The only individual who brought up that topic was YOU. Enlighten me though in regards to American Ideals...does being an American entitle us to being culturally prejudice and dismissive, bigoted and racist, not to mention globally unaware and narrow minded. Please point it out in the Constitution in case I skipped over that part. As far as I know, it doesn't. Sorry patriotism can take a back seat to humankind, we are human beings first.

No one is asking you in particular to change, it would clearly be a wasted effort. This is a hypothetical discussion in relation to analyzing the current state of our society and global awareness. If you cannot add something of substance in relation to this topic, I'd kindly ask that you keep your angry rants to your own threads, this is a peaceful discussion.

Sidenote: Jwhop, you spend full threads criticizing American politics and the president and here claim patriotism. Thank you for proving my point in relation to this discussion.

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posted January 24, 2012 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Enlighten me though in regards to American Ideals...does being an American entitle us to being culturally prejudice and dismissive, bigoted and racist, not to mention globally unaware and narrow minded."...NativelyJoan

Oh, you'd better flee this den of...as you put it...prejudice, bigots, racists, the narrow minded and globally unaware. Yep, best thing you could do is pack up and get the hell out of America before you get contaminated by the rest of us.

"This is a hypothetical discussion in relation to analyzing the current state of our society and global awareness."...NativelyJoan

There's nothing hypothetical about the allegations you've made here...as well as the idiots you choose to quote. Even stupid, ignorant fools recognize "declarative
sentences" when they see them.

If you want to have a discussion based on hypotheticals then be sure next time to use "interrogative sentences".

"If you cannot add something of substance in relation to this topic, I'd kindly ask that you keep your angry rants to your own threads"...NativelyJoan

This is an open forum discussion board. You don't get to have a private confab out in the open with your "I hate America and Americans friends". Go get a room!

"this is a peaceful discussion."...NativelyJoan

Right, check, this is a peaceful discussion!

Only a total fool would post this as the title of your thread..."Ignorance, Fools and Cultural Unawarenes in the US"...and think they weren't going to draw incoming fire.

Btw, let me wise you up NativelyJoan. In spite of your communist idol George Soros and his "Open Borders" bullshiiit..and yours, America is a nation of immigrants and the overwhelming destination choice of those seeking to immigrate from their homelands. Xenophobic is not a term to be applied to America or Americans.

You are just full of crap...the usual for leftists of the "I hate America and Americans set". There must be someplace on earth where citizens of the world can go and badmouth America and Americans without having their noses rubbed in their bullshiiit. This isn't it.

I would gladly trade you and 9 of your America and American hating friends for 1 person who wants to come to America and become "an American"...as opposed to what you are..."an accidental American". Even at a 10 to 1 ratio, I'd have the better of that trade and so would America.

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posted January 24, 2012 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please don't make me laugh Jwhop. Let's count the 80 billion threads you have criticizing the President of this so called country you scream patriotism for. In addition to some twisted kind of patriotism where you'd have me and Americans that share my viewpoints exiled because we disagree with you, freedom of speech where art thou? My concerns surround the lack of awareness in our society, your concerns surround attacking the American president, a large part of the American society and American politics.

My views make claims to the obvious, a deficiency in our society related to cultural sensitivity and global knowledge considering we are a melting point of many incredible cultural identities. Your responses are blatant attacks on not only the people of this country but their President. All this hypocrisy is making me fall over in feats of laughter. Believe what you want to Jwhop, I don't go attack you on your threads, I keep my distance because I don't share your views and it really would be a waste of my precious energy to voice them in civil discourse and disrespectful to you. It's time to refocus the direction of this thread.

Sidenote: How dare you vitriolically and blatantly attack those who do not support your views. Speak what you believe, but don't come on my thread and try to patronize others, or instigate disputes because you don't support opposing viewpoints. GU feels like a hostile battlefield which is so frustrating because global issues are so important. I don't care about petty disagreements, I'm trying to discuss issues that plague our society and come to a place of understanding and truth. Enough already, seriously, We can agree to disagree.

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posted January 24, 2012 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
You are just full of crap...the usual for leftists of the "I hate America and Americans set". There must be someplace on earth where citizens of the world can go and badmouth America and Americans without having their noses rubbed in their bullshiiit. This isn't it.

I would gladly trade you and 9 of your America and American hating friends for 1 person who wants to come to America and become "an American"...as opposed to what you are..."an accidental American". Even at a 10 to 1 ratio, I'd have the better of that trade and so would America.


It's OK to speak to people you barely know like this? On any other forum this would be basis for banning, but in GU it's ok? Randall you might want to give me some insight into why it's allowable for Jwhop to behave in this manner, throwing accusations and insults at anyone who disagrees with him all the while turning this forum into a battlefield. Are these forums not meant to be a place of civil discussion? Yes political debates can get heated, but I don't blatantly attack those who disagree. This environment does not cater to sensitivity and openness, if it did I'm sure many others would contribute, but it truly is unfortunate.

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posted January 24, 2012 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I wouldn't have you exiled for disagreeing with me.

You should choose self exile because you're a screeching, shrieking misfit in this society and culture who despises the nation and it's people. You should choose self exile because the "grass is greener for you...over yonder".

"It's OK to speak to people you barely know like this?"...NativelyJoan

In my book, it is OK to speak to those who rip America and Americans...just like I did and the offer of a trade for some real Americans to replace some of our "accidental American" is an open offer. Besides which, who said I barely know you?

Btw, who were you on LindaLand before you became...NativelyJoan?

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NativelyJoan
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posted January 24, 2012 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, don't worry about where I'm going or where I've been. If I remind you of someone, fascinating, and not surprising because I assume you run into individuals who disagree with your viewpoints on a highly frequent basis.

In response to you calling me an "accidental American" that reference can and could be applied to every citizen of this nation including YOU. True Americans, those indigenous to this land were here long before Columbus stepped foot here and the Mayflower docked in New England, let's get that straight. America was founded by foreigners.

Second, this is a country of diversity, that allows it's citizens the great fortune of voicing their opinions freely. Thus, I openly can criticize the infrastructure of the social dynamics within our society as much as you can continue to criticize large portions of the people within our country that you call "leftists" and the President. Feel free to continue to accuse me of the hypocrisies you perpetuate every time you attack American politics and the President here on this forum.

Randall, when you get a chance please enlighten me in regards to Jwhop's behavior on this forum and what exempts him from behaving respectfully towards others.

EDIT for Clarity: I was never and have never been any one other then NativelyJoan. I don't troll or change names, I'm brave enough to tell someone to their face how I feel about them and thank goodness I'm civil and do my best to keep things appropriate or I'd resort to tyrannical behavior which isn't ok. I don't hide behind disguises and pseudo names. Unlike your LL name, Joan is my actual birth name. Don't try to bait me Jwhop, you assume and as always you're misguided. I've have been nothing other than NJ and amicable, please just keep your distance, it would be the best thing for the both of us.

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posted January 24, 2012 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I notice you didn't answer the question as to who you were on LindaLand...before you became NativelyJoan.

Care to share?

"Accidental American"

One, who by an accident of birth, was born an American but who are intellectually, philosophically, morally and spiritually aligned with nations and peoples who oppose the United States and the American people.

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posted January 24, 2012 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Accidental American someone who was born in the united states and has never considered or examined their reasons for being here.

jwhop you use the term far too often and basically just to try to belittle anyone whose idea of america is not identical to yours. your intolerance for those who have different views is to me HIGHLY UNAMERICAN.

i suggest YOU are the accidental american. you have never taken the time to see any other place and ACTIVELY decide that the US is where you CHOOSE to live. you are here, so to speak, by default.

and the fact that you consider america to be better than other places is therefore based on HEARSAY not knowledge, KNEEJERK PATRIOTISM as opposed to rational or emotional choice in view of the alternatives. which you ALSO judge on hearsay.

joan has as much right to her opinion as you do. she is american too. d'uh..

do you think when jefferson and hamilton argued about ways and means, as they did bitterly, either one accused the other of being "unamerican"? i doubt it. they were too committed to the principles on which the country was founded to go there. i suggest you reinvestigate the right to freedom of speech and creed which is built into the fabric of the country you profess to love.

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posted January 24, 2012 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and while you're at it, fess up, because you have moaned and groaned about the "dumbed down" population over the period in which i have been here.

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posted January 24, 2012 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NativelyJoan, this forum has more latitude because of the subjects involved and the passions they raise.

While I find you refreshing, knowledgable and thoughtful, starting a thread called Ignorance, Fools and Cultural Unawarenes in the US and using all inclusive words and stating "WE are a nation of fools" or "how utterly idiotic the individuals who inhabit this nation truly are" is going to get some feathers seriously ruffled. And here we are

Most, some, many, or generally are less apt to fan the flames of political passion.

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posted January 24, 2012 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Juni said.

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posted January 24, 2012 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i see juni's point but when the speaker uses the word WE they are including themselves. so getting bent out of shape seems a little overreactive...jes sayin

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posted January 24, 2012 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
NativelyJoan, this forum has more latitude because of the subjects involved and the passions they raise.

While I find you refreshing, knowledgable and thoughtful, starting a thread called Ignorance, Fools and Cultural Unawarenes in the US and using all inclusive words and stating "WE are a nation of fools" or "how utterly idiotic the individuals who inhabit this nation truly are" is going to get some feathers seriously ruffled. And here we are

Most, some, many, or generally are less apt to fan the flames of political passion.


Listen, I included myself like Kat noted in theories about this nation. What kind of a country are we if we can't speak openly and freely and voice our disdain. To clarify, I'm not upset by the negative tone of GU which of course is ironic, or that Jwhop disagrees with my viewpoints.

I'm frustrated that in particular, he is allowed to insult commenters with no retribution. Honestly his threads are completely biased and hypocritical and this is welcomed however, threads such as this one which through a biting tone question dynamics within our society are considered unwelcoming and cause for accusations and insults.

I honestly can no longer sit back and just allow this kind of behavior to be directed towards myself or watch it be directed at any one else. It's truly disgusting. And I don't believe in walking away because I'm unsatisfied with the situation or unwelcome because I don't conform to the biases of the GU forum in particular. This is a continuously occurring problem and I'm not going to stand down, I will continue to voice my disdain for how certain commenters behave on GU and use my responses as a way to counter that behavior and bring the truth to light.

Basically Juniperb and Randall you're both telling me that the solution to this hostile environment is to deal with the abuse and incessant provoking instead of trying to manage or mediate the situation? How is that ethical or even respectable. I am an incredibly passionate individual but I would never insult or attack another commenter on this forum out of spite because we disagreed. I react when provoked, it's human nature but to be insulted continuously on threads by someone who disagrees with my viewpoints is just too much. Not everyone reacts negatively here, only a few do and that's why it concerns me greatly that we all have to be pelted with insults by those few individuals who don't agree instead of amicably coming to an understanding that we are all different and therefore have different viewpoints that MUST be respected. What kind of a reflection is that on the people within our society, on America which brings me back to the original topic of this thread. Could we please try to make an effort to mediate this behavior, I'm sure GU would get a lot more traffic and contributions because people wouldn't feel so threatened every time they made a comment or thread.

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posted January 24, 2012 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall's post wasn't really an apt response. He meant to say that he a proponent of Jwhop's perspective. That's why he is allowed to get away with it.

Joan, you're just the latest in a series of people that have questioned Jwhop's behavior over the years.

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posted January 24, 2012 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I felt as much. It's just unfortunate really, I'd spend more time here if I didn't feel threatened every time I made a post and I have Mars in Aries in the 1st! I've got a lot of strength but it really does get to the point where it becomes to much. I've got the endurance to debate but not the patience for intolerable behavior and insults. I'm not trying to wage a war of disagreeing opinions. Supporting someone's unethical behavior doesn't make their actions any less indecent. Everyone should be held accountable for their behavior, no exceptions. Which leads me to prejudices, another topic in relation to our society and this thread.

Thanks for your input AcousticGod, it's always valued.

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posted January 24, 2012 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My response suits me just fine. Juni said it well. The title of your string was clearly inciteful. And you shouldn't be surprised that not everyone agrees.

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posted January 24, 2012 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And furthermore, AG and others jump right into the fray with strong language against Jwhop, but I'm not surprised that they play innocent; nor am I surprised when people dish it out but can't take it.

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