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Randall
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posted February 13, 2012 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gas is higher now than ever before at this time of year. It is expected to rise to $4.60 or more a gallon by May. This should hurt Obama's chances. The average American will blame him.

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posted February 13, 2012 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't you worry Randall, he'll be fine. If the average American blame's him for this situation considering his efforts towards decreasing dependency on foreign oil and transitioning into renewable energy sources, I'll learn a little bit more about the critical thinking capabilities of average Americans. Adding to the vast arena of interesting things I already know about average Americans.

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posted February 13, 2012 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only question Americans should ask themselves is: Am I better off now than three years ago? And vote accordingly.

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posted February 13, 2012 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well then, all rich people(who are making out like bandits), all GIs(who are no longer in the line of fire), all young folk between 19-26(who now have health insurance), all gays(whose rights are more supported than ever), and all oil companies and banks(also doing VERY well thank you!), should be voting obama...since they are ALL better off than they were three years ago.

the price of gas DESPITE the largest american production since 2003 is hardly a nail in his coffin.

funnily obama will raise most of his campaign money from supporters among the people, while the likes of romney receive millions from lobbyists, newt has his sugar daddy and mommy, etcetera etcetera etcetera...

obama's first term has been exactly what i thought it would...a proving ground where much of the hidden sickness in washington and elsewhere is exposed and bled out.

his second term will be about rebuilding. jwhop was SURE the "american people" would not elect this man. they did. perhaps the "american people" is much broader and more hopeful than many give them credit for.

the fact is the way business is done has changed, probably forever, and the old world is NOT coming back. obama understands this, for all his faults, AND he understands that you can't walk in the door and wave a wand and change all evil in a minute. something those punting for the current republican crop are in COMPLETE denial about.

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posted February 13, 2012 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 13, 2012 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ronald Reagan's question to Americans.

Ask yourselves..."Am I better off now than three years ago"?

The answer wasn't NO! The answer was HELL NO!

And so, the second worst president in American history was sent packing after one term.

Barack Hussein O'Bomber eclipsed Carter as the worst president in American history after only 2 years of terminal stupidity in the Oval Office...with a bullet proof majority of demoscats in both Houses of Congress. O'Bomber snatched the crown right off the poor hapless Carter's head.

Thanks God that there's only 9 months left until the November election.

Now for the issue of dependence on foreign oil.

This chart tells the story and the story is a long and deep recession...under Carter and under O'Bomber which started with the election of demoscat majorities in the House and Senate.

Just draw a straight line down from the "consumption" and "net import" trend lines at about years 1976-1977 and there, you'll find Jimmy Carter...and sharp decreases in "consumption and net imports".

Now, do the same for years 2006-2007 and there, you'll find the same sharp reductions in "consumption and net imports" AND demoscat majorities in Congress who caused the current recession/depression with gross overspending and excess regulation of businesses and the real estate bubble caused by demoscats and their henchmen at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Henchmen which included Franklin Raines, Jamie Goerlick and Tim Johnson...all of whom were O'Bomber campaign advisors.

Let's see if I can penetrate the "facts shield" our self appointed and self anointed intelligentsia have erected around their critical thinking centers.

O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in Congress have done not one damned thing to lower American dependence on foreign produced oil...except cause and extend the recession which automatically lowers demand AND through their stupid, idiotic energy policies they've managed to almost double the price of gasoline from $1.87 to $3.59 in my area...which also lowers demand.

If Randall is right...and I think he is, we'll be paying $4.60 or more in a few short months. That will devastate the family budgets of working people in America. O'Bomber has done everything possible to get US gas prices up to the European model of $10 per gallon.

If a foreign nation had done what O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in Congress have done to attack Americans and the American economy, the bombers would fly. Again, Randall is right. When the Republican nominee tells the truth to the American people about what O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in Congress have done, ballot bombs are going to fall in November.

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posted February 13, 2012 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's some more charts...posted to penetrate the "facts shields" our self appointed, self anointed intelligentsia have erected around their critical thinking centers.

These charts tell the story about the confidence investors and consumers have in the O'Bomber economy...as opposed to the confidence they had in the Bush economy. There's no doubt in whom they had more confidence. Bush, hands down.

Investor Confidence Index Highs and Lows

..............High.....Low
2012.....105.0....84.3
2011.....105.8....64.4
2010.....105.4....75.8
2009......95.5....52.5...O'Bomber 2009-2012
2008.....113.2....58.5
2007.....150.0...107.6
2006.....148.2...120.9
2005.....145.0...111.8
2004.....150.9...123.6
2003.....150.3....91.1
2002.....143.9...105.2 ...Bush, 2002-2008


Consumer Confidence Index Highs and Lows

............High......Low
2012....93.1.....79.2
2011....93.3.....58.1
2010....91.1.....69.7
2009....83.5.....54.7...O'Bomber, 2009-2012
2008....99.5.....56.7
2007...121.9.....91.5
2006...124.0.....99.3
2005...121.2.....95.4
2004...127.0....104.6
2003...123.2.....83.2
2002...124.3.....95.5 ...Bush, 2002-2008

www.rasmussenreports.com

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posted February 14, 2012 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oranges and lemons
apples and oranges

though interestingly obama's lowest figures appear to be AS HE TOOK OFFICE, climbing since

while bush's go in the oop(s)posite position ..

and in your oil graph consumption and production have gone down but turned back up since obama came in, while IMPORTS have gone down. MOST people would conclude that while ability to consume is returning, our reliance on imported oil is not. now THERE'S a talking point, thanks!

it has been clearly demonstrated lately that the cost of oil and gas are largely influenced by SPECULATORS and not supply. so what do you suggest, the government start regulating speculators? how do you do that and keep your conservative stance?

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posted February 14, 2012 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
allow me to point out that the price of gas in europe has been more than $4 for decades and people do just fine with that! but then public transport is fabulous there...

and that the falling dollar(thanks bernanke!) adds price to FOREIGN, imported oil.

and people tend to value family time and fresh food over fabulous wealth made by money making more money. even the wealthy aristocrats prefer to keep their family seats rather than cash them in.

as to the average american blaming obama, i don't think the average american is that thick.

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posted February 14, 2012 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's strange to see you say that, Kat, because actually Obama is to blame. This isn't Europe. And fuel costs drive up everything else. More leftist math, I see.

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posted February 14, 2012 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, gas isn't $4 in Europe any more and Americans...as they find out that the US has more oil, more natural gas and more coal than most of the rest of the world combined...are going to pi$sed that O'Bomber is driving up the price of gas and electricity.

Besides which, Americans don't like and don't want European sized cars with their lawnmower sized motors that are fit only for the Wee People!

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posted February 14, 2012 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
That's strange to see you say that, Kat, because actually Obama is to blame. This isn't Europe. And fuel costs drive up everything else. More leftist math, I see.

This distortion is the case of right wingers once again trying to blame everything on a Democrat instead of assessing the facts within the situation. Because it's more important to point fingers and blame someone else then find ways to remedy the situation, which is exactly what President Obama has been trying to do with renewable energy alternatives. Four more years in office will allow him to do just that, don't worry. Even with the undeserving criticisms from the GOP, Obama will get the job done.

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posted February 14, 2012 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
however much we produce, it mostly goes into the international pool. which is why the XL pipeline will not affect our dependence on foreign oil, nor does domestic production, really...

inflation courtesy of the fed, and speculation, are the biggest factors in the price of gas going up, especially when we have to buy from abroad. this does NOT mean that drilling more will bring it down much.

yes the price of gas is high in europe and england but it took massive bridge and entry tolls to persuade people NOT to drive to town. i lived in london for 21 years and rarely needed a car, even when travelling out of town.

bring me my electric personal helicopter thank you! there are WAY too many cars on the road, whatever the price of gas. but when you figure how many years oil takes to develop, plus extraction and refinement and transport and sales, it is actually cheaper for people to work from home than drive to work, especially in standstill traffic. not to mention the air congestion that creates.

lol at the addiction to muscle cars. where did the fairy tale success of honda and toyota come from then? european cars are generally the prototype for power, speed, handling...and gas efficiency. the most popular status cars on the road where i live are bmw and mercedes. yesterday i had to interrupt a phone call while a ferrari roared by...

my friends and family in england drive tanks! i always wanted a mini gt wagon, super handling, 5 doors and 40+ miles to the gallon; my ex swore it would never happen, too flimsy, but i'm a defensive driver so i like speed of reaction rather than roar of engine.

gas may be more expensive but more efficient cars keep the price of driving pretty reasonable if you're not a driving fool! gas was dirt cheap when cars came out, but it wasn't until the 50s that gas tanks held enough to take you very far on a fill-up. and the price has been going up ever since.

hardly obama's fault, since he wasn't even born in the 50s!

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posted February 15, 2012 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"hardly obama's fault, since he wasn't even born in the 50s!"..katatonic

A statement which has nothing to do with anything under discussion here; i.e., a throwaway statement.

O'Bomber's stupidity in curtailing American production of oil...shutting down the Gulf of Mexico, shutting down the crude oil pipeline project from Canada, shutting off exploration and drilling off America's coasts and refusing to open Alaskan oil fields lead directly to a lower supply of crude oil from which to make gasoline. This lower supply of crude affects the worldwide supply and raises prices. It also sends a signal to oil producers such as OPEC that America is not serious about energy independence and they can charge whatever they please for crude oil with O'Bomber's blessings.

O'Bomber is such a small intellect that he's in way, way, way over his head as an American President. He is responsible for gasoline prices doubling under his mis-management and when Republicans start telling the true story of his energy stupidity Americans will hold O'Bomber responsible for the unreasonable gasoline prices they're paying.

Americans will hold O'Bomber doubly responsible when Republicans begin to tell the truth about O'Bomber throwing their tax money down the toilet on so called "green energy" projects which were really nothing more than a scam to pay back his big campaign contributors for throwing cash at his campaign.

Americans will hold O'Bomber tripley responsible when they find out O'Bomber wants $6..$7...and $8 per gallon gasoline because that's the only way his big campaign contributors invested in so called "green energy" can compete with oil produced energy.

He's such a dud as an American president..not to overlook utterly corrupt.. that he has to go in November.

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posted February 15, 2012 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oil prices are based on supply and demand (and fear over it). Obama has directly affected the equation...either intentionally or accidently or both. He is corrupt. He is inept. He wants gas to be $8 a gallon. This fumbling fool must be defeated in November.

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posted February 15, 2012 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The title alone on this thread is hilarious.

like a 1930's hollywood news reel.

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posted February 15, 2012 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The last laugh will be on King Obama and his mindless surfs.

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posted February 15, 2012 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the point, jwhop, is that the price of gas has been rising for 60+ years. and the worth of the dollar has been falling too. neither of which are obama's fault.

the fact is very few people want a gas guzzler for their everyday transport. for fun perhaps...or status satisfaction.

and randall, if you are going to call people mindless serfs, you might check the spelling!

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posted February 15, 2012 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops.

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posted February 15, 2012 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
's'okay, i know you were just surfing for insults...

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posted February 15, 2012 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
The last laugh will be on King Obama and his mindless surfs.



I hope so!

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it isn't supply and demand, it isn't the free market, and it isn't that bogeyman obomber.

Speculation is the PC term for it, gambling is what it is.

If the Koch brothers buy barrels at $100 ea, load it on tankers and sit on it in the gulf, that drives prices up.
In 2008 a barrel was at $140!

Right now it's a $104. Our production is higher now. got that? Production, and the drill baby drill crowd need to pay attention to this->

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Sen. Bernie Sanders offered the following statement after having reviewed a list of speculative oil traders responsible for the 2008 spike in oil prices. This list was compiled by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC).

"This report clearly shows that in the summer of 2008 when gas prices spiked to more than $4 a gallon, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and other speculators on Wall Street dominated the crude oil futures market causing tremendous damage to the entire economy," Sanders said. "The CFTC has kept this information hidden from the American public for nearly three years. That is an outrage.

The American people have a right to know exactly who caused gas prices to skyrocket in 2008 and who is causing them to spike today. The CFTC claims they need more data to impose speculative position limits as required by Dodd-Frank. That is laughable. The American people need action to bring down gas and oil prices and they need it now, which is why I have introduced legislation with eight co-sponsors to do just that."

On June 15, 2011 Sen. Sanders introduced a bill titled the "End Excessive Oil Speculation Now Act of 2011", which would force the Chairman of the CFTC to impose strict limits on the amount of oil speculators can trade in the commodity and futures markets.

Excessive oil speculation is widely considered to have been a major contributor to high gas prices at the pump and unnecessary volatility in the oil commodities and futures markets.

"We have a responsibility to do everything we can to lower gas prices so that they reflect the fundamentals of supply and demand and bring needed relief to the American people," Sanders said.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=e802998a-8ee2-4808-9649-0d9730b75ea4

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posted February 15, 2012 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama's got a good chance of winning if Romney is chosen to run against him because that dumb boy is set to lose. He's making the same mistake as John Kerry.

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posted February 16, 2012 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speculation with oil is driven by fear and based on supply and demand like any other commodity that is traded. Obama's actions have a direct impact on that.

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posted February 16, 2012 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
except when it's driven by bottomless pockets playing for more, otherwise called greed. which i agree is founded in fear, the fear of never having enough, curiously a disease suffered more by the very rich than even the very poor!~

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