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Randall
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posted March 28, 2012 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My insurance agent's father requires asthma inhalers to live. He is on a fixed income. His cost used to be $80 a month. But thanks to the Great One, his cost is now almost $250 per month for the prescription inhalers (not to even mention the doctor's fee). Premiums are up also. I thought this was supposed to make things more affordable?

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posted March 28, 2012 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My premium jumped $9.78 a month and deductable went up...

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posted March 28, 2012 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You would think people could see.

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posted March 29, 2012 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Read the good and the bad: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/26/senate-republican-conference/senate-republican-web-video-attacks-barack-obama-s/

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posted March 29, 2012 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the reason for the mandate is to bring the costs down. the only way to do that is for more people to chip into the pool. OR give the insurance companies a maximum they can charge, which would not be kosher, would it? apparently clement has suggested that a TAX would also cover the same base. but we are allergic to that word...aren't we?

at the moment everyone is paying for those uninsured anyway, through taxes to cover medicaid, and insurance prices to cover the insurance costs. is this not a case of "providing for the general welfare"?

or do you all prefer to let the insurance companies keep raising the prices ad infinitum?

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posted March 29, 2012 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the average brit pays about $2400/year for the NHS. that is $200 a month for free healthcare 24/7. that is because EVERYBODY PAYS AND EVERYBODY IS ELIGIBLE, rich or poor. terrible, terrible terrible!

when my daughter was 2 and had a fever my mother was shocked! to see the doctor come to my house...this was the mid 80s and she had not had a housecall from a doctor in years.

when my sister in law had cancer her private oncologist sent her to the NHS for treatment that was as good if not better than she would get privately, and free instead of 10s of 1000s of pounds. again, terrible.

yes there is bureaucracy to deal with, but so is there bureaucracy to deal with in a normal insurance plan here in the US. can you get insurance for EVERY EVENTUALITY for $200 a month here? only if you are broke...

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posted March 29, 2012 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The free market determines prices in a capitalist society. Leftist economics doesn't hold water.

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posted March 29, 2012 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you don't have free market, you are screwed. Even the people who think otherwise will go down with the ship. Why can't people see Greece et al? What is wrong with people to think we can be socialistic and not have the same fate? I don't get it.

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posted March 29, 2012 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
greece is suffering from credit madness. anyone who borrows over their head continually will suffer the same fate. and the lack of regulation in the lending market has contributed no end to that.

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posted March 29, 2012 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and someone please tell me what is "free" about me paying taxes so all the supreme court justices and congressmen can have federally subsidized healthcare but they don't want to contribute to mine?

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posted March 29, 2012 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You seem to have an entitlement mentality. Perhaps you should run for office if that's important to you.

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posted March 29, 2012 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
seems to me it is congress and the fed judges who have a sense of entitlement that they don't want to share with anyone else. justice scalia apparently thinks it is too much to ask him to read the material he is dealing with.

it is entitlement to think you don't have to put into the pot everyone so everyone else can pay for you. it is entitlement to think your life has no effect on those around you.

but please, let's not throw around the pundits' catchphrases as an excuse for conversation. SS and medicare are also called "entitlement" programs... of COURSE people are entitled, they have PAID for them!

just FYI, randall, if this law does continue it is going to mean me paying for insurance i don't want either. entitlement, my arse!

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posted March 29, 2012 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
You seem to have an entitlement mentality. Perhaps you should run for office if that's important to you.


LM toosie off

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posted March 29, 2012 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course not. You don't want to pay for it. You want to be given it. Hence my usage of the entitlement verbiage. But do not despair...it will be overturned. And you can always claim religious opposition if it isn't.

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posted March 30, 2012 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A reporter on FOX news had an interesting take on this. He said that if Obamacare is struck down, Obama can retort to Romney that he did the same in his state and that he said it should be national.

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posted March 30, 2012 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
are you deliberately twisting my words? i don't do doctors. why do i want insurance?

however i will pay into the pot so everyone can be covered for LESS, which is what will happen when EVERYONE pays into the pot.

when i lived in england i also paid into the pot. i went to the doctor about 4 times in that period. that is what you call entitlement?

it is congress who get FREE healthcare on top of generous salaries and backhanders from lobbyists, business connections, etc etc etc.

it is dick cheney, who could afford top of the line insurance, who got a heart on my taxdollar the other day. who is entitled here?

ami, whatever it is you are trying to say, it is gobbledygook to me so sorry, no score!

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posted March 30, 2012 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
and someone please tell me what is "free" about me paying taxes so all the supreme court justices and congressmen can have federally subsidized healthcare but they don't want to contribute to mine?

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posted March 30, 2012 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as to the free market deciding everything, the free market has been regulated for centuries. jefferson feared corporations getting too big and powerful enough to sew up the market, which they are doing right now that many regulations have been rolled back.

pardon me for pointing out that you don't know what a free market is. you like pirates and snake oil salesmen, they are a big part of it. a free market has no check on monopolies...check out somalia for a lovely free market!

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posted March 30, 2012 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
obviously there is some sort of comprehension issue here.

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posted March 30, 2012 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A true capitalist free market is not without regulations and protections.

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posted March 30, 2012 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well at least we can agree on something. seems to me that you think the only regulations it should have are those YOU agree with. what about the other 299 million people here?

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posted March 30, 2012 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A law professor took it upon himself to give the legal retorts Obama's SG couldn't: http://t.co/3JhhpLxK

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posted March 30, 2012 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are NO legal arguments which could possibly save O'BomberCare.

The mandate to force anyone in America to enter into commerce is unconstitutional. No such power is granted to the federal government...anywhere in the Constitution.

Forcing anyone to enter into a contract against their will...an insurance policy...for instance, voids the contract at it's inception as a violation of "Contract Law".

There is no "severability clause" in this 2700 page pile of crap. Therefore, if ANY part of O'BomberCare is unconstitutional, the entire pile of crap is struck down. Period.

The only way O'BomberCare can survive...until a new Congress repeals the entire act..if for 5 Justices to vote to uphold the illegal act.

But that would not be on any LEGAL rational basis. That would be a "Political act" which would grant "unlimited power" and authority to the federal government and that would violate the very essence of the rule of law and the Constitution...which is nothing but a severe limitation on the power, reach and authority of the federal government.

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posted March 30, 2012 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't even think about this one, Jwhop:

Forcing anyone to enter into a contract against their will...an insurance policy...for instance, voids the contract at it's inception as a violation of "Contract Law".

True that.

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posted March 30, 2012 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps they will say we enter into those insurance Contracts "voluntarily." After all, it is the IRS enforcing it!

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