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Topic: Obama Endorses Gay Marriage
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PixieJane
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From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 11, 2012 08:13 PM
  
As for the actual issue of gay marriage I'll let Foamy the Squirrel sum up for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLMYaF_Xa8 IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
Knowflake Posts: 1083
From: New England
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 11, 2012 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
As for the actual issue of gay marriage I'll let Foamy the Squirrel sum up for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLMYaF_Xa8
Hehe! That was great. And I'm in agreement with you over the supposed negative connotations of the word oriental? I guess I'm unaware of something that others are. It seems that like depending on the individual any word can be considered offensive. We might as well just throw using language right out the window. Edit: As far as I know it's an old English term. It's used in many victorian era texts I've read such as in Vanity Fair, Waverly and Ivanhoe as a way to signify individuals from a particular region. It's outdated in it's use, but offensive...? IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 18139
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 11, 2012 09:17 PM
The "N" word is also used in great literature. That isn't a valid excuse. Times change, and we as a society evolve.IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
Knowflake Posts: 1083
From: New England
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 11, 2012 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
The "N" word is also used in great literature. That isn't a valid excuse. Times change, and we as a society evolve.
Excuse me? The "N"word is used in GREAT literature? It is? Very confusing. Each of these terms have very different connotations and meanings. I don't see the parallels. They were used to represent and also misrepresent very different things. I'm still curious about the historical offensiveness of the "O" word. I do however know that the "N" word was used to saliciously identify and degrade enslaved Africans in the US. But I don't see the correlation between those two very different and distinct terms. I think it's shameful that they're being linked together to prove a point. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
Knowflake Posts: 1083
From: New England
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 11, 2012 09:48 PM
Anywho, back to the topic of this thread. Yay to gay marriage! And Ch-ch-changes!IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Knowflake Posts: 398
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 11, 2012 09:54 PM
Yeah, there are all kinds of negative words for Asians that are like the N-word (such as the ones that start with Z, C, and G), but "Oriental" isn't one of them (at least this is the first I've heard of it being offensive). Oh, hey, Urban Dictionary explains it (and it appears to be limited to a particularly PC crowd in the USA):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oriental quote:
A word which originally was associated with Asia (including Arabic-speaking regions, Central, South, and East Asia). The term is used for East Asians in British English (where 'Asian' means someone from South Asia; i.e. Pakistan or India). The term is controversial in North America as it is still used in parts of Canada to denote East Asian without racist connotation or denotation; however, in the US it is considered by politically correct people (=people who read Edward Said) to connote the imperialist/colonialist period of European attitudes towards (East) Asians. Usage is, therefore, relative to a) Where you are and b) Who you're talking to. So everybody just relax."He is a specialist in East Asian Languages." PC in the USA. However, he might have received his degree from the London School of Oriental and African Languages
Though as for the N-word used in great lit, the only example I can think of offhand is Huckleberry Finn, and the author was very much against the attitudes of the time. For example, one scene I loved (that some Pentecostal church in Texas hated and tried to get removed from schools before it influenced us into thinking we could "do whatever we want rather than look to God") was where Huck tries to pray for forgiveness for having "stolen" Jim and finds he just can't pray and decides if helping Jim escape to freedom is wrong then he'll burn in Hell before he asks forgiveness for it. (Kinda funny, everyone has banned this book from one time to another, from the USA to Nazi Germany to Soviet Russia, and in the USA it's been attacked for treating blacks as human beings by some while using the N-word--ignoring the context and intent--by others.) IP: Logged |
katatonic
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 11, 2012 10:15 PM
well thanks for the heads up, i had no idea oriental was an insult to anyone. is OCCIDENTAL also an insult?"african" is not an insult to people from africa is it?? who'd a thunk the conservatives would be the politically correct ones, eh randall? as for me, i believe in being kind wherever possible, but that doesn't mean i suffer fools with scotch tape over my mouth. i have no problem being told i made an error
and if THAT is why YTA was so offended and accused me of saying things i never said, sorry, guy, i didn't know. what, YTA, would you consider an acceptable term for people of the eastern races? there are so many different asians that that would be a useless term.. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 18139
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 11, 2012 11:54 PM
NJ said: "Hehe! That was great. And I'm in agreement with you over the supposed negative connotations of the word oriental? I guess I'm unaware of something that others are. It seems that like depending on the individual any word can be considered offensive. We might as well just throw using language right out the window. Edit: As far as I know it's an old English term. It's used in many victorian era texts I've read such as in Vanity Fair, Waverly and Ivanhoe as a way to signify individuals from a particular region. It's outdated in it's use, but offensive...?" Your unfamiliarity with the offensiveness of a word does not detract from said offense. Your linking such with the insinuation that we would throw language out the window is absurd. And my literature reference to another offensive word was in rebut to your relating the word to victorian era texts. The liberals here need to walk the talk and express the qualities they profess to adhere to. It's offensive. You have been told it's offensive. That is the position of this Board. What is the point in arguing over it? Your lack of accepting it as offensive, is fine; you may use it all you want in your private lives. Just go up to anyone of Eastern or Asian descent and call them that all you want; in doing so, perhaps you might be enlightened as to the offensiveness of it. But please have the common decency and respect for others not to do it here in Lindaland. Thank you. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
Knowflake Posts: 1083
From: New England
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 12, 2012 12:23 AM
Randall quote:
:Your unfamiliarity with the offensiveness of a word does not detract from said offense.
Said offense? I made note of being uninformed about the negative historical connotations connected to the word in agreement with PixieJane. I'm not sure why you're including me in the 'said offense' statement because I didn't use the "O" word offensively? I inquired about the history surrounding its offensiveness. A valid question I presumed. quote:
Your linking such with the insinuation that we would throw language out the window is absurd. And my literature reference to another offensive word was in rebut to your relating the word to victorian era texts.
Well.. the difference is I cited actual texts that used that specific word within a particular context. I'm informed about the old English use of the term, not any currently offensive use of that term. You brought another highly offensive term into the conversation that as far as I know isn't related to the term that was mentioned. quote:
The liberals here need to walk the talk and express the qualities they profess to adhere to. It's offensive.
I'm not quite sure why you're generalizing one person's statement to an entire ideological grouping of individuals. Isn't this the reason were having this discussion, because labels are usually misrepresentations and can be offensive. How is calling out liberals for appearing to act a specific way not throwing around possibly offensive generalizations. quote:
You have been told it's offensive. That is the position of this Board. What is the point in arguing over it? Your lack of accepting it as offensive, is fine;
Randall, no one's arguing about it. And please don't put words in my mouth. There is no lack of accepting anything on my side. This is a thread discussion, we might need to have an LL dictionary filled with specific definitions for specific terms. We are all of varied cultural backgrounds Randall. Maybe having an LL terminology dictionary might help to avoid confusion and further misunderstandings. There are members of this forum who have stated highly offensive things to others, specifically related to cultural identities and they don't seem to be chastised while others are immediately. There seems to me to be disciplinary imbalances. But that's neither here nor there, the point is, we all just need to continue to respect one another and refrain from being culturally offensive. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 1126
From: Toronto, Canada
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted May 12, 2012 09:24 AM
I didn't know oriental was an offensive word, either.
There are now black people who take issue with being called black; they say their skin is brown so the word is an inaccurate description and thus offensive. Guess what? They're being silly, too.
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katatonic
Knowflake Posts: 7992
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 12, 2012 01:29 PM
randall, you claim not to know any republican bigots, but you are lumping all "liberals" (by your own definition) in the same bucket. FYI this is bigotry. calling someone you don't agree with a "leftist" is also bigotry.so if it is only the "liberals" - as defined by you - who need to be politically correct on this board, please tell me now, and i will leave, since you obviously define ME that way. i have no need to be part of the "wrong" group here or anywhere else. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 3988
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 12, 2012 01:54 PM
I didn`t know Oriental was a negative word either.I "surmised" it when YTA was upset.
I get a catalog from The Oriental Trading Co a couple of times a year. Maybe someone should write them and update them as well. ------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 31951
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 12, 2012 02:00 PM
edit ------------------
Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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juniperb
Moderator Posts: 3988
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 12, 2012 02:15 PM
Remember to keep your moderator hat on Ami Anne and you will find you have to "edit" less often. ------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 31951
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 12, 2012 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Remember to keep your moderator hat on Ami Anne and you will find you have to "edit" less often.
If I edited, Juni, I don't NEED to be reprimanded.
In the future, I do not want your reprimands.Please take them to Randall and I will do the same for mine to you. Thank you. ------------------
Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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juniperb
Moderator Posts: 3988
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 12, 2012 02:24 PM
Threads are starting to be littered with your edits. Just a kindly reminder not a reprimand. Your welcome. ------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 31951
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 12, 2012 02:29 PM
If my edits bother you, Juni, tell Randall. He can tell me not to edit so much. If you care to address ANYTHING similar about me, please take it to Randall, as well. Thank you.IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 3988
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 12, 2012 02:44 PM
It is the REASON for the edits Ami Anne.Your hit and run passive aggressive smart azz remarks. As a mod, you are held to a greater expectation of behavior.
I don`t need Randall to tell me how a mod should behave. Nor should you. Just think before you post another remark. ------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
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