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Ami Anne
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posted May 16, 2012 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did the Romney story of the fake bullying come out at the EXACT time O'Bomber announced the gay marriage thing??
The coordination of the press with O'Bomber is downright terrifying

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posted May 16, 2012 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you mean "fake" bullying?

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posted May 16, 2012 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, This Romney thing and the gay kid seemed to be made up. EVEN if it wasn't, all kids do things which are wrong.I have. I think everyone who is honest with themselves has, imho

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posted May 16, 2012 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never beat up another human being, not at any point in my life. Not everyone bullies. A lot of right-wingers seem to, though!

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posted May 16, 2012 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another thing I never, ever did at any point in my life was call someone an ethnic or homophobic slur. Although I guess it depends on whether one would consider "redneck" to be a racial slur. I've said redneck before.

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posted May 16, 2012 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Romney didn't dispute it, and took credit for it, so it's not fake.

I don't think it's going to cost him the election, though. His campaign's etch-a-sketch remark, and Obama's hammering him on what Bain capital did is more likely to lose him the election. Romney is the Republican version of John Kerry with all the trappings that entails. He's rich, out of touch, and he waffles...a lot. His campaign manager would have a better chance of winning than he does (simply by being an Aquarian). (A Pisces hasn't won a Presidency in almost 120 years.)

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posted May 16, 2012 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyway,I never beat up anyone either but this thing with Romney is too stupid for me to even dignify a discussion with people who can't seem to see straight on things which should be obvious to any thinking person. So, if anyone wants to add something that has a modicum of intelligent thought behind it, I will be back.

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posted May 16, 2012 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AYFKM??

Where's my joker smiley at?

Carry on, funny people.

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posted May 16, 2012 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Bain Capital did was rescue companies in or near bankruptcy. Romney helped save a lot of jobs.

Oh wait, Romney and Bain Capital made money rescuing companies. I almost forgot I'm talking to Marxists and Socialists here who believe making money by employing capital is a sin.

As for the idiotic commercial coming out of the O'Bomber campaign, Romney was already gone 2 years from Bain Capital when that steel mill went into bankruptcy.

These are facts and no amount of O'Bomber lying...or surrogates lying for him is going to spin those facts into anything else.

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posted May 16, 2012 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don`t believe Romney "beat up " anyone. I think if it happened, it was a prank and today those type of pranks are called bullying.

Back in the day life was less PC , less people were crying bully.

If true, was it the right thing to do? Probably not but lets put it in it`s place and time and not judge it by today`s standards.

I also read the brothers can`t agree what really happened, different versions of the same episode..... go figure

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posted May 16, 2012 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually got the impression that Romney was the one to make sure that got out. Perhaps I'm being too cynical, but I see Romney was damaged in fighting for the nod by his competitors pointing out how much like Obama he is (especially in health care reform) and some (especially among evangelicals) were upset that Romney got the bid over Santorum and might even sit the 2012 election out. Since then Romney has been doing all he can to lure those voters (and the money from their organizations) that he can by trying to show he's different, such as saying he'd accept Santorum as a running mate. And given that Obama came out on the side of gay marriage I think Romney arranged to have this released to show those who hate gays that he's different from Obama and so there IS a difference worth caring about (so fund him and then vote for him).

Of course saying so bluntly would also cost him a lot of votes so he had to have someone else release it and handle it very carefully, but it would draw attention to his antigay actions (including defunding an anti-bullying program which took him a huge fight to win) as governor and wink at homophobes, and so I see this as a cynical campaign strategy by Romney's people. I'm certain it does earn him a thumbs up among many voters, but will it get him more thumbs up than down? I'm hoping he erred on this one.

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posted May 16, 2012 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're sounding really cynical here PixieJane!

Romney had information about him released that he knew would damage his image?

We seem to see this about the same way Juni. It was a prank from high school. No one went running to the fuzz or to the school principal or to anyone else. We took care of our own problems.

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posted May 16, 2012 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I KNOW. It is so stupid. A friend of mine's daughter who was in elementary school, got expelled because she said she was gonna kill another kid.

Is what all you Liberals want

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posted May 17, 2012 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Romney's act isn't going to turn everyone away. There's a large group of people who are afflicted with a powerful hatred or superstitious fear of homosexuality (some believe that if gays gain full equality then their god will destroy America like Sodom *). I remember one who argued with her church about a couple of years ago saying Obama wasn't that bad but after hearing of Obama's involvement in the repeal of DADT all the good of the nation meant nothing to her, because she believed Obama was courting God's wrath on the nation making it a matter of life and death.

(* Btw, think about Sodom a moment, if the gang rapists had raped the virgin daughters then the city would've been spared, or so many claim, which is to say raping virgins—who were probably barely even teens or younger given how young females were married off back then—so that raping young girls was seen as more acceptable than consensual gay sex as even rape itself wasn't the issue here and even a “righteous” father like Lot knew that which is presumably why he offered up his own virgin daughters to the crowd to protect the strange men who had visited him.)

It's so bad that many gays who were raised in such homes who had attempted suicide claimed they tried to send themselves to Hell because they believe they deserved eternal torment, and while they were willing to break their mother's heart with suicide they weren't willing to break her heart by telling her he was gay (take a minute to think about that and try to grasp the horror of it, and also think about if they're willing to do that to THEMSELVES than what are others raised that way willing to do to someone else?).

And with that in mind I'm not the least bit surprised by all the hatred, violence, and hostility to gays, from preachers who tell their congregation to beat their children who don't conform to gender roles (which he confuses with sexual orientation), to parents who have abused and tortured their children for it like this one, to a prominent religious speakers such as Michael L. Brown who justifies the murder of a gay boy in class, to a father who sicked his congregation on his gay son (and his boyfriend) which the deputies refused to help or even allow them to press charges.

Bringing it back to Romney, I can see people with this background (most of whom are straight, of course) would like knowing Romney was someone who was so obnoxious in his youth as well as his adult record against gays and given that these are the Republicans most likely to be unenthusiastic about Romney I can see Romney trying to woo them back to him by releasing this, and by showing how he's different (and more "godly") than Obama.

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posted May 17, 2012 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I KNOW. It is so stupid. A friend of mine's daughter who was in elementary school, got expelled because she said she was gonna kill another kid.

Is what all you Liberals want


That definitely sucks. But don't be so fast to blame liberals for bad schools without looking at what conservatives have done to them (or at least supported) as well. I remember how conservatives have supported schools that had one boy handcuffed and arrested from school from wearing his hat sideways and another one where a VP did a “spot check” to see what kind of panties girls were wearing under the dress (by pulling their dresses up where others, including boys, could see) entering a prom. Then there was this (which happened after a student told the principal he smelled pot in the restroom) that was also supported by most conservatives (though Libertarians spoke out against it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-tz13zhoo

Interesting enough conservatives believed the pot was there despite it not being found, just the potheads were too smart for the principal, school cams, police department and drug dogs, etc. And they also referred to the supposed potheads as “thugs” despite that thugs are known for bullying others with weapons (which seems closer to describing those cops than kids who presumably toked). Oh, yes, one girl (off cam) during that raid claimed 2 cops sexually harassed her at best though as it was her word vs. the cops it wasn't pursued but not long after another cop from that PD was busted for molesting a little girl at where he trained in Krav Maga.

And speaking of which, I believe conservatives are also more supporting of undercover cops in school despite that they're known to have sex with students (and have caused pregnancy) and then been “protected from retaliation by drug dealers” (apparently more important than saving more young girls from sexually abusive cops) and send them to another school, of which I've only heard 2 liberals speak out against this (to no effect that I'm aware of).

Oh, and for more effect, Brandi Blackbear (defended by the ACLU) was just one more student who was searched without just cause and when a book was found in her possession on Wicca (which she said was out of curiosity and was a practicing Catholic herself) she was expelled for casting a spell that made a teacher sick after an obnoxious interrogation following the violation of her civil rights (she'd also been suspended earlier for having written a violent story in her own notebook). Again conservatives supported this. (That said, so did a very stupid liberal Wiccan who thought it was the government's admission to the real power of witchcraft thus somehow “legitimizing” her beliefs and completely forgetting what happened the last time governments believed in witchcraft. I strongly urged her to watch X-Men for why that would be a bad idea and remember she wouldn't get the cool superpowers to go along with the government oppression and if she wanted a better idea what to expect then read books about the Satanic Panics of the 80s and early 90s.)

While the SCOTUS barred strip searches for things like rumors of a girl having Midol (the horror of girls with Midol!), conservative Clarence Thomas said it was a mistake and tried to promote such power in schools to strip search kids for the pettiest of reasons.

All in all, liberals aren't the only ones who deserve outrage for what schools have become. I believe Jesus has some words of wisdom for conservatives that want to condemn liberals for our schools that apply here in Matthew 7:1-5.

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posted May 17, 2012 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No way would Romney release something like this, Pixie. No one would release their skeletons. Most people have done things of which they are ashamed. No one is a perfect saint.

Anyone, Pixie, I think you are a very thoughtful person. That is all I ask, rather than knee jerk anything

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posted May 17, 2012 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Obama campaign is still going to nail Romney on Bain Capital. The fact that the steel company incident happened after Romney's time at Bain isn't going to amount to much. There are plenty of other businesses that got streamlined by Bain where people lost jobs.

Further, Romney's opponents in the Republican primary already pointed out his extremely poor job creation performance while governor. 47th in the nation.

Interestingly, Romney claimed to have created 10,000 jobs while at Bain when he was running for governor. Now he's increased that number tenfold to 100,000 and every fact checker that's taken that "fact" on has found it to be untrue.

There's not really a need to spin stuff where Romney's concerned.

You're not talking to Socialists or Marxists here. You never have been. Every American takes part in Capitalism. Everyone knows this. Some of us are even in the stock market.

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Regarding the Romney bullying, it wasn't said that Romney beat these kids up. He ridiculed them, and he cut the dyed hair of one of them while other boys held the kid down.

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posted May 17, 2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You have a regular job and live a regular life, HOW could you want Obama? I understand people on government assistance who want Obama. However, I don't understand working Americans (other than gov't workers) wanting Obama?

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posted May 17, 2012 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When asked if his Mormon beliefs clashed with American principles, Mitt Romney replied "I regret that I have but one wife to give to my country."

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posted May 17, 2012 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a common theme of Socialism running rampant on this forum from leftists acoustic.

It's contained in most of what they say and their attitudes towards the United States and American citizens.

O'Bomber isn't going to "nail" Romney on anything having to do with Bain Capital acoustic. He may try, but most Americans understand employing their capital to make money. They either are doing so or want to do so.

I note O'Bomber was out begging Equity firms...like Bain Capital for campaign money the other day. Face it acoustic, O'Bomber is a tin plated fraud, hypocrite and liar.

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posted May 17, 2012 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There is a common theme of Socialism running rampant on this forum from leftists acoustic.

No, there isn't.

    Socialism:

    1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

No one here has EVER advocated for that. You occasionally love endeavoring to trip people up on semantics like that Diebold quote the other day, but semantically you lose every time when you throw around words like Socialism, because you don't subscribe to the actual definition of the term. Instead, you redefine the word to suit you.

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O'Bomber isn't going to "nail" Romney on anything having to do with Bain Capital acoustic. He may try, but most Americans understand employing their capital to make money. They either are doing so or want to do so.

Wrong again. Biden's already out scoring points nailing Romney on Bail capital. It's no surprise that you're unaware of it, but don't attempt to be so stupid as to think everyone's going to be in Romney's corner on Bain capital. That's just naive.

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As an afterthought and aside, everyone that participates in the stock market adheres to a certain degree of Socialist principle, because when business go "public" they offer OWNership shares of their business. Anyone involved with the stock market is outright engaging in Socialist activity; engaging in the public ownership of a business entity.

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posted May 17, 2012 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O'Biben is out shooting his mouth off acoustic. He's the gaffomatic of the nonsensical O'Bomber dud duo.

I suppose you couldn't be expected to know the difference between "communism" and "socialism" acoustic.

But, I'm talking about European style Socialism here...where the government doesn't own all the means of production but taxes the hell out of productive citizens and businesses to pay for the sloth and non-production of most of it's citizens.

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posted May 17, 2012 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The Obama campaign is still going to nail Romney on Bain Capital. The fact that the steel company incident happened after Romney's time at Bain isn't going to amount to much. There are plenty of other businesses that got streamlined by Bain where people lost jobs.


That is called a business restructuring. It promotes efficiency and turns around companies that are ailing to profitability.

Bain Capital is a venture capital firm that risks the capital of its investors. It is obligated to provide a decent return on that investment. Its their capital that is invested, and not yours, and not Obama's, and honestly none of your business how many business segments they have to shutter to generate that return on investment. Their loyalties are to their investors, and not to you or to Obama.

That is precisely what needs to occur to half of the federal government. Lay off half the workers and cut the overbloated pensions. Remove the perks. Restore growth, eliminate deficit funding and de-leverage by paying down debt materially.

I lost my job seven times myself to layoffs. It's necessary and its for the good in the long haul.

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posted May 17, 2012 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, I know the definition of Socialism. That's all anyone needs to know in order to know that you use it wrong. We're not discussing the difference between Communism and Socialism. We're discussing your improper use of the term. Qualifying it as the European brand doesn't make your use of it right. Saying that people here have advocated taxing the hell out of productive businesses and citizens isn't right either. Merely going back to Reagan years tax levels would help the government immensely. The bigger point, however, is that productive individuals have never been prone to leaving America due to overtaxation. It's an imaginary hypothesis to claim that people are interested in taxing the hell out of the productive in our nation.

So now you've used Socialism improperly and you've continued to mischaracterize people here as some imaginary group of Europeans that are interested in raising taxes to truly uncomfortable rates. IT's all fantasy.

I guess I can be thankful neither of you attempted to make me out as wrong on the fact that Wall Street peddles Socialism.

YTA, I'm sure you know that campaigns don't necessarily follow the rules of common sense. It's a game of labelling, and this restructuring practice is not going to be necessarily be looked upon favorably by all of the people that have been out of work due to layoffs.

I don't know why you're talking about it not being mine or Obama's business. You don't get to dictate whose business it is and whose it isn't.

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