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Node
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posted May 25, 2012 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Republicans attempts to appeal to older social conservatives will doom them in the near future. By continuing to fail at outmaneuvering liberals on social issues, Republicans are trapping themselves as the party of yesteryear. In fact, the Republican Party hasnt even attempted to appeal to young people or shifting demographics
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Finally, the GOP has done a poor job appealing to women. With the recent (legitimate) debate about whether government can mandate a religious institution to pay for contraceptives, Republicans risk wading into another debate that has been over for decades. Lets take a couple quotes from Rick Santorums 2005 book, entitled It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good.

He writes, radical feminists have succeeded in undermining the traditional family and convincing women that professional accomplishments are the key to happiness and for some parents, the purported need to provide things for their children simply provides a convenient rationalization for pursuing a gratifying career outside the home. He has since backpedaled and blamed those excerpts on his wife who helped him write the book, but the words were very clear. Some women have no choice but to work in order to afford to raise a family.

This all ties together. Republicans have a difficult time adapting their message to changing times and demographics. Conservative principles small government, low taxes, strong national defense, personal responsibility are still very popular. Yet the Republican Party has to struggle with Democrats every year during elections, and will continue to lose ground over time if it doesnt change. Republicans must fit their principles to changing social values, and figure out ways to appeal to more people if they hope to survive in the future.


So, send in the young 'un~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Bush


George P. Bush hopes dissatisfaction with the Obama White House will help him draw young professionals to become donors and activists in the Republican Party.

File photo by Tim Dillon, USA TODAY

George P. Bush addresses the 2004 Republican National Convention at Madison Square Garden in New York.

The grandson of former president George H.W. Bush and son of former Florida governor Jeb Bush, the younger Bush is setting up chapters of his Texas-based Maverick PAC in several key swing states to try to mobilize young Republicans.

Bush's group is one of several Republican efforts underway to try to peel away parts of the coalition that helped Barack Obama win the presidency in 2008 and organizers pledge each is bigger and more thorough than in years past.


Women, Hispanics and young voters are among the demographic groups where Obama beat Sen. John McCain last cycle and areas where many Republicans believe they can pull disaffected voters into their camp come November.

The Obama campaign has no intention of ceding those groups that helped it win the White House, and have a number of micro-targeting operations of its own. The Obama campaign website has separate pages for women, youth, "Jewish Americans," and more.

But with an uncertain economic environment and nearly seven months of campaigning to go, Republicans are convinced that with time, money and boots on the ground, this election could be different.

Bush and Jay Zeidman, a former staffer in the George W. Bush administration, began MavPAC several years ago but this year are poised to spend more than $1 million to "go out and target younger Americans and get them engaged in politics."

MavPAC is now opening chapters in traditionally Republican states that Obama carried, such as North Carolina, Virginia and Indiana.

The group caters to individuals who are out of college, want to be politically involved but are not yet ready to write huge checks to support candidates.

Bush acknowledged that Obama won younger voters across all demographic lines in 2008, in part through vigorous outreach, and as a result "that is part of our goal, to mitigate that margin."


If recent posts from the Know-Cons on GU are any indication one of the big talking points right now [is] that women are better off voting repub....

the first bit of legislation engineered by the new house majority was against women's rights. Not jobs, ...in fact anti minority and particularly anti womens rights legislation have more than tripled.

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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2012 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh no, not another one!

heard another talking point last night from a conservative heckler on a "liberal" radio show...he was complaining that the NEA has ruined schools...in HIS day (back in the south in the 60s) the neighbours got together, hired teachers, and fired at will...there was apparently no tenure in his neighbourhood...and he was of the opinion there was no NEA either, though it is a lot older than he is...and the teachers in my grade school in the 50s had tenure, a fact my parents often complained about!

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posted May 26, 2012 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes indeed, Jeb the "smart one" Bush has progeny to get out the youth vote.
New Robo call polls show that those that answer on a land line tend to favor Romney. These respondents also refer to the coffee pot as a percolator.

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Whats wrong with Gov. Rick Scotts education reform agenda in Florida? Everything, writes Diane Ravitch. Florida is developing a school system that will prepare young people for the repetitive factory jobs that left our shores long ago. And Florida will be a state that self-respecting teachers leave or shun. Source: St. Petersburg Times

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Comedian Bill Maher: "How dumb and obese do our kids have to get before teachers stop having sex with them?" J/K

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posted May 26, 2012 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Women are leaving O'Bomber in droves Node!

I have to laugh when you and some others here get your.."it's all about abortion and gay rights nonsense cranked up."

No it's not.

Women want jobs. Women want equal pay for equal work in the work force.

O'Bomber and demoscats are the very worst offenders against women on both issues...paying women much less than they pay men on their staffs. Further, O'Bomber's jobs initiatives have left far higher numbers of women unemployed all across America.

The very same congressional members..and O'Bomber who are shrieking the loudest about equal pay for women are the worst offenders.

As for our "youts" in America; the unemployment rate among young people is an O'Bomber scandal...yet, you say this is a timebomb issue for Republicans?

Your take on what's happening with our young people is a slap at their intelligence Node. On the other hand, I respect both their intelligence...and their character. All they need is a little "seasoning". Getting mugged by the reality of leftist economic, domestic and foreign policy drivel will give our young people that "seasoning".

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at thirty five you have no brain."

I note with saddness that some have already passed their "sell by" date.

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posted May 26, 2012 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More bombastic balderdash sir.

Women are his strongest demographic a.t.m.

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Women have pushed back against the Republican war against their health and reproductive decisions by giving President Obama record levels of support.

The USA Today/Gallup poll shows President Obama with a 49%-45% lead nationally over Mitt Romney, but signs of Obamas increasing momentum are evident in a poll of 12 swing states (Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin). Obama leads Romney in the swing states by a 51%-42% margin.

However, women are the driving force behind President Obamas momentum. Women in the swing states support Obama by a 2-1 margin. Sixty percent of women under age 50 supported the president. Mitt Romneys support with swing state women under 50 has dropped 14 points in one month. Among all women, Obama leads Romney by 18 points. A recent Pew Research study also showed Obama leading Romney by 20 points with women, 58%-38%. Healthcare was a top issue for women in both polls.


http://www.politicususa.com/women-support-obama.html

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posted May 26, 2012 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Women are leaving O'Bomber in droves and he deserves it for what he's done to women!

"The Obama Administration is attempting to shift the flow of conversation away from the economy and onto what it views as an attack from the right against women. Even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton jumped into the topic of domestec politics to warn the public of American extremiststhat want to control women.

How is this message working? Not particularly well. Take a look at the recent New York Times/CBS Poll. Everyone is talking about the big number (a nine percent drop in the overall approval rating), but what is much more interesting is the polls demographic break down. Numbers are down across the board, except for the two wealthiest brackets (those making over 75,000 and those making over 100,000). Women in particular celebrated Obama's new campaign message with a 12 percent drop in job approval. The largest drop though, came from those in their 30s and 40s who withdrew support of Obama by 18 percent.
http://newstalkkgvo.com/obama-targets-women-voters-they-leave-in-droves/

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posted May 26, 2012 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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paying women much less than they pay men on their staffs

It's weird that you'd attempt this line after being embarrassed by your data just the other day.

Node is right.

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The latest Associated Press-GfK poll found women favor Obama by 54 percent to 39 percent largely in line with the 2008 gender gap that helped him win the White House.

When asked in the AP-GfK poll, women were 31 percentage points more likely to think Obama is the candidate who more often says what he really believes than Romney, 58 percent to 27 percent. And when asked which candidate would better handle the economy Romneys central pitch to voters is his business experience women still give Obama a slight edge, 50 percent to 42 percent. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courting-female-vote-romney-recounts-stories-of-success-hardship-from-women-he-says-hes-met/2012/05/22/gIQAu3pbiU_story.html


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In the newest poll, Obama leads Romney among African Americans (88 percent to 2 percent), 18 to 34 year olds (55 percent to 35 percent), women (53 percent to 38 percent), independents (44 percent to 36 percent), and seniors (46 percent to 44 percent). http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/22/11816298-nbcwsj-poll-obama-romney-locked-in-tight-contest?lite

The NYT/CBS poll said that the margin Romney's leading Obama amongst women is within the margin of error, and it noted it multiple times in the article. It also cited the disparity between this poll and their last which showed Obama up by 16% amongst women. That poll included a whopping 615 people amongst whom 562 of them vote. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/14/poll-romney-up-obama-down-among-women/

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posted May 26, 2012 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only ones with egg on their little leftist faces are you, other leftists and O'Bomber for lying about women leaving the O'Bomber camp for what he's done to them.

Numbers don't lie.

You're posting bullshiiit and you know it. O'Bomber knows it too and that's the reason for the hard push to get those women back into the fold. Too damned late!

They've already told O'Bomber to F-Off!

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posted May 26, 2012 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't lie, Jwhop. I'm not posting bullsh!t. In fact, I posted your source and what it said. If you wish to disprove it, go ahead, but don't sit here imagining something that's patently false.

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posted May 26, 2012 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You saw the story acoustic. If you chose to not read it that's your problem.

Women are leaving O'Bomber in droves. That's a fact acoustic.

You know acoustic, a fact. Those pesky little things you don't know any thing about!

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posted May 27, 2012 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did see the story. I did post facts about the story as well.

A poll of 600-odd people is not going to tell you squat.

I know no such thing is a fact, nor do I suspect it to be fact. I posted other polls of larger numbers of people that suggested otherwise. If anyone should know anything, you should know that Obama is still strong with women. End of story.

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posted May 27, 2012 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when you (general/plural) can't find a winning argument(or candidate), repeat repeat repeat the same old phrases until your victim falls over with boredom...

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posted May 27, 2012 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stay away from women's issues acoustic. You think the nag's at NOW and Hilary Rosen frame the issues for women. They don't.

You also think women tend to be liberals, they don't. In fact, liberals are the smallest ideological group among all women.

Conservatives are the largest ideological group, followed by moderates with liberals bringing up the rear...among all women!

acoustic, if brains were gasoline, you wouldn't have enough to prime a pi$s ant's motor scooter!

This is a Gallup Poll..of 45,000 acoustic. You know acoustic, Gallup, that bunch of bible thumping, right wing, fundamentalist, homophobic, fascist, racist bigots who have been polling much longer than you've been alive.

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posted May 27, 2012 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Posting an ideological graph as proof you know what you're talking about is not going to cut it. You haven't proven your premise of the supposed exodus of women from supporting Obama, and this chart doesn't further your cause. You are no more informed about women's issues, and likely even less informed.

With regard to Pew, they also found people identify more with Conservative overall, right? And yet Democrats regularly win. Also, there are more registered Democrats as there have been for years and years.

Have you ever seen that study that found that when people are pressed for time they're more likely to back traditionally Conservative values? Why? Because it requires the least thought.

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posted May 27, 2012 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JW~ On occasion, in the past, you have shown a distinct inability to read a chart or graph.
Proving that once again are you?

You look at those numbers and say it proves your theory that "women are leaving Obama in droves" and a 'party' ideology poll to boot. hilarious!

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