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amelia28
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posted June 29, 2012 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you read all 2700 pages of Obamacare, I guess you are aware of the following conditions:

Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens\
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
PLUS:
OBAMA'S MARK OF THE BEAST

There's a pretty starling thing in the Obamacare Bill that 95% of Americans won't like.

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in
15 formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable?

Lets see...
Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case.

CHILDREN'S HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM = CHIP

Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth are not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.


Why Obamacare or the Affordable Healthcare Act are a bad idea:

1. Since is a mandate is a for sure thing profit wise so Obamacare will degrade in quality bc it has no competition.
2. More beaurocracy making doctors jobs harder and more complicated than it has to reducing efficiency and adding stress bc now is not just the employer and insurance in between a doctor and client relationship but the government is in the mix so problems seeing with Medidcaid and Medicare in the health industry will be amplified.
3. The government has now made it mandatory to purchase a private service and is setting a precident so that this can be done with other private services as well.
4. The one that worries me the most currently because of the current state of the economy is that there is nothing affordable about this healthcare mandate. Small business that have over 50 employees will be forced to provide healthcare they can't afford or pay a penalty of $2000 for each employee so if you have 51 employees your fine will be $102,000 which is enough to bankrupt many small businesses. This will result in people getting fired, less jobs been avaible, unemployment rate going up and small businesses going bankrupt.
5. The Affordable Healthcare Act is written so is cheaper to pay for penalty than health insurance for your employees so more people will find themselves without insurance.
6. If you are unhappy with Obamacare you will have to pay for it anyways or pay a lot more If you want another health insurance.


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Ami Anne
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posted June 29, 2012 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOVE your contributions, Amelia xxxx

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AcousticGod
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posted June 29, 2012 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Read on: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

We can trace the origins of this collection of claims to a conservative blogger who issued his instant and mostly mistaken analyses as brief "tweets" sent via Twitter as he was paging through the 1,017-page bill. The claims have been embraced as true and posted on hundreds of Web sites, and forwarded in the form of chain e-mails countless times. But there’s hardly any truth in them. We’ll go through each of the claims in this message:

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posted June 29, 2012 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amelia, did you personally *read* those 2700 pages

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posted June 29, 2012 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Amelia, did you personally *read* those 2700 pages

Every friggin word

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posted June 29, 2012 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami hon I know you didn't.

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posted June 29, 2012 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and neither did amelia, whose name is not ami...or so i suspect, since the points mention "the public option" which doesn't even exist...what else is bogus in this piece?

the bill is written in washington-legalese, if anyone here has read all of it i would be very surprised, i haven't though i tried! and will try again but

in the meantime, all reactions are kind of suspect aren't they?

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posted June 30, 2012 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing to add but a giant

I am so happy to see Kat and AG here!

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Ami Anne
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posted June 30, 2012 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
Ami hon I know you didn't.


No, I didn't, but some people such as Mark Levin( talk show host) did. It is really, really bad. There are death panels. Government people to decide health care etc
People who want this are gonna be very sorry once they find out what it entails imho

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Ami Anne
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posted July 01, 2012 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
and neither did amelia, whose name is not ami...or so i suspect, since the points mention "the public option" which doesn't even exist...what else is bogus in this piece?

the bill is written in washington-legalese, if anyone here has read all of it i would be very surprised, i haven't though i tried! and will try again but

in the meantime, all reactions are kind of suspect aren't they?



The obvious questions begs asking. Why are you FOR a bill you never read and don't know what it contains

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posted July 01, 2012 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've posted what it contains, and I've posted fact checks that disprove all of the common false claims against it. Acting like what's in this Act is still a mystery is moot. I've posted enough that you ought not still be making the false claims you're still putting forth.

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posted July 02, 2012 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
back atcha ami, why are you AGAINST a bill you don't know what is in it? as i said, i have made a stab at it. it is very long and hard reading, but i am working on it. in the meantime, i have checked out the "controversial" parts and found the paranoia laughable...how bout you?

another question, how can you listen to mark levin snivel his say through anything? and have you listened to the other side at all? a little comparison shopping might give you a different slant on things even if you can't be bothered to try yourself.

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posted July 03, 2012 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it would be good if a layman's version were posted where we can all read it. ignorance breeds suspicion, makes lies all the easier, and keeps people scared.

there is a campaign online to persuade obama et al to get this OUT THERE for us all to see.

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posted July 03, 2012 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
it would be good if a layman's version were posted where we can all read it. ignorance breeds suspicion, makes lies all the easier, and keeps people scared.

there is a campaign online to persuade obama et al to get this OUT THERE for us all to see.


The layman's version will never come out by the liberals. People would freak

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posted July 04, 2012 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Layman's versions of it are out, and have been out. http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8061.pdf

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posted July 04, 2012 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
it would be good if a layman's version were posted where we can all read it. ignorance breeds suspicion, makes lies all the easier, and keeps people scared.

there is a campaign online to persuade obama et al to get this OUT THERE for us all to see.


Indeed--I am ignorant and suspicious at the moment.

Though I did glance through the apparent layman's version Acoustic posted below, if that summary is indeed representative of what has just passed. Unless I fall under the new bigger net of Medicare eligibility (and have to give up my privacy by coughing up "proof of income" and all that degrading nonsense), it looks like I'll be going from no insurance to either being fined at least $695 a year, avoiding it by being in jail, or I'll have to come up with a religious objection... Hmm...Looks like I'm off to start researching interesting religions now.

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posted July 04, 2012 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They can't ask you what your religion is. But you can always start your own. Or attend a Mennanite church (modern version of the Amish).

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You will need to include an Affidavit with your tax return. I can show you how.

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