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Topic: What Do You Know About Rand Paul?
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 34243 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 12, 2012 10:50 AM
I just heard him interviewed. He is pretty amazing. What do you think?IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3201 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 12, 2012 02:07 PM
Way too libertarian for my tastes. I am not fond of him.I'm a propertarian. Private property ownership is my fundamental right. A strong national defense is my cornerstone to national security, and a supportive business environment and financial markets framework is my foundation for economic prosperity and ensuring my well being. I'm not into the political philosophy that works to benefit the populus at the expense of what is considered "the elite few." That's pandering to the votes, and that is what I hate about politics. I approeciate a political vision with a positive outlook for all, not some Robin Hood-based utopia. Produce greater freedom and prosperity for all, not to benefit the 99% at the expense of the 1%. And not benefit the 1% at the expnese of the 99% as well. Smaller government is an honorable cause, but slashing government merely for the sake of slashing government is patently unwise. You just don't slash and burn national defense and law enforcement. This is taken from the liberatarian web site, http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration "Crossing an international border to support your family and pursue dreams of a better life is not an inherently criminal act like rape or robbery. If it were, then most of us descend from criminals." Guess what? I'm not descended from "criminals" and I waited 15 f-ing years just to become a US Citizen the proper legal way. Guess what? In the interim, I paid hundreds of thousands of income taxes and didn't complain nor infringe on any laws. No libertarian politicans get my support. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 34243 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 12, 2012 02:57 PM
Thanks Ian Glenn Beck interviewed Rand, today. Just to hear a politician with a modicum of sense is a relief. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8345 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2012 03:06 PM
i think the quote about being descended from criminals refers to the invading pilgrims and colonists who came to replace the native population with their own. there were no immigration laws then. apparently most americans conveniently forget that when faced with NEW immigrants whom they label "criminal" just for being here.i hope your patience has been rewarded, YTA. at least if you were paying taxes we can assume that you were also earning a living in relative peace. unlike, say, the thousands of irish who, when they arrived here were given two pieces of paper to sign...instant citizenship, and instant enrolment in the union army. thousands of them never lived to enjoy the first. IP: Logged |
ghanima81 Moderator Posts: 958 From: Maine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2012 03:25 PM
It's a strange paradox that I've conversed on before, the "criminal" invasion of the US. There is a funny cartoon that I will look for which summarizes it well. Nobody in this country CAME from here besides the Native Americans. Most of us are descended from foreign immigrants that came empty handed and were afforded rights of Americans right off the bat. After murdering the natives in order to have our own "freedom from oppression". I'm not sure when we forgot this, or how we are above recognizing that fact. It's like the joke in an episode of Family Guy when they went to Germany. Something is said about the 1940's and skips about 7 years and Peter says "but what about..." "WE VERE ALL ON VACATION!!" IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 34243 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 12, 2012 03:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: Way too libertarian for my tastes. I am not fond of him.I'm a propertarian. Private property ownership is my fundamental right. A strong national defense is my cornerstone to national security, and a supportive business environment and financial markets framework is my foundation for economic prosperity and ensuring my well being. I'm not into the political philosophy that works to benefit the populus at the expense of what is considered "the elite few." That's pandering to the votes, and that is what I hate about politics. I approeciate a political vision with a positive outlook for all, not some Robin Hood-based utopia. Produce greater freedom and prosperity for all, not to benefit the 99% at the expense of the 1%. And not benefit the 1% at the expnese of the 99% as well. Smaller government is an honorable cause, but slashing government merely for the sake of slashing government is patently unwise. You just don't slash and burn national defense and law enforcement. This is taken from the liberatarian web site, http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration "Crossing an international border to support your family and pursue dreams of a better life is not an inherently criminal act like rape or robbery. If it were, then most of us descend from criminals." Guess what? I'm not descended from "criminals" and I waited 15 f-ing years just to become a US Citizen the proper legal way. Guess what? In the interim, I paid hundreds of thousands of income taxes and didn't complain nor infringe on any laws. No libertarian politicans get my support.
I agree with everything I have ever heard you say on here, Ian! xx
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ghanima81 Moderator Posts: 958 From: Maine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 12, 2012 04:46 PM
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 1811 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 12, 2012 09:48 PM
Oh sheesh. I get in enough trouble at Ron Paul forums about Rand. Now here? Rand is a beautiful speaker. His birthday is the day after mine, maybe that's why I love hearing him talk. I share many of his views about government. He's cute and I approve of a lot of what he's done in the Senate. But the apple fell WAY FAR from the tree, and I don't mean that in a good way. Rand has disgusted me by back-stabbing his father and pandering for votes. Ian, Traditionally, Republicans have been for cutting spending. There is nothing radical or libertarian in that. The article you introduced might be on a libertarian site, but it's not necessarily the opinion of Rand Paul. It's the opinion of Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies. The Cato Institute doesn't have the best track record for being honestly Libertarian. Check this out: quote: Rupert Murdoch, chairman and CEO of News Corporation, has joined the Cato Institute's Board of Directors.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/cpr-19n6-10.html Murdoch is a neocon. IP: Logged |