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jwhop
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posted July 26, 2012 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Straight Marxist drivel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng&feature=player_detailpage

Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen'

President Barack Obama addressed supporters in Roanoke, Virginia on Friday afternoon and took a shot at the business community. President Obama dismissed any credit business owners give themselves for their success:

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jul/15/picketvideo-obama-if-youve-got-business-you-didnt-/

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posted July 27, 2012 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally.
Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man’s own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came."
~ Thomas Paine

Marxist? Really?

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posted July 27, 2012 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Straight Marxist drivel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng&feature=player_detailpage

[b] Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen'

President Barack Obama addressed supporters in Roanoke, Virginia on Friday afternoon and took a shot at the business community. President Obama dismissed any credit business owners give themselves for their success:

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jul/15/pic ketvideo-obama-if-youve-got-business-you-didnt-/ [/B]


The problem with O'Bomber is that he never had to work for anything. School was given to him, as he won't release his transcripts to show he earned it.

No info on his Law Review days are given. Why? If he earned it, he should be happy to show his grades. I would show mine.

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posted July 27, 2012 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Horse crap.

It wasn't the government which mortgaged their homes to start up a business. That was entrepreneurs.

It wasn't the government which paid it's employees first and lived on what was left or dipped into savings to make the payroll. That was entrepreneurs.

O'Bomber is just another lying Marxist when he says..."You didn't build that business". Now, O'Bomber is trying to say he didn't say that. But, the video tape says otherwise and Romney is using O'Bomber's own words to clean his clock.

History will record that Barack Hussein O'Bomber is the biggest failure as president in US history...and the most incompetent.

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posted July 27, 2012 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
July 26, 2012
Strassel: Four Little Words

What's the difference between a calm and cool Barack Obama, and a rattled and worried Barack Obama? Four words, it turns out.

"You didn't build that" is swelling to such heights that it has the president somewhere unprecedented: on defense. Mr. Obama has felt compelled—for the first time in this campaign—to cut an ad in which he directly responds to the criticisms of his now-infamous speech, complaining his opponents took his words "out of context."

That ad follows two separate ones from his campaign attempting damage control. His campaign appearances are now about backpedaling and proclaiming his love for small business. And the Democratic National Committee produced its own panicked memo, which vowed to "turn the page" on Mr. Romney's "out of context . . . BS"—thereby acknowledging that Chicago has lost control of the message.

The Obama campaign has elevated poll-testing and focus-grouping to near-clinical heights, and the results drive the president's every action: his policies, his campaign venues, his targeted demographics, his messaging. That Mr. Obama felt required—teeth-gritted—to address the "you didn't build that" meme means his vaunted focus groups are sounding alarms.

The obsession with tested messages is precisely why the president's rare moments of candor—on free enterprise, on those who "cling to their guns and religion," on the need to "spread the wealth around"—are so revealing. They are a look at the real man. It turns out Mr. Obama's dismissive words toward free enterprise closely mirror a speech that liberal Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren gave last August.

Ms. Warren's argument—that government is the real source of all business success—went viral and made a profound impression among the liberal elite, who have been pushing for its wider adoption. Mr. Obama chose to road-test it on the national stage, presumably thinking it would underline his argument for why the wealthy should pay more. It was a big political misstep, and now has the Obama team seriously worried.
And no wonder. The immediate effect was to suck away the president's momentum. Mr. Obama has little positive to brag about, and his campaign hinges on keeping negative attention on his opponent. For months, the president's team hammered on Mr. Romney's time at Bain, his Massachusetts tenure, his tax returns. "You didn't build that" shifted the focus to the president, and his decision to respond to the criticisms has only legitimized them and guaranteed they continue.

The Obama campaign's bigger problem, both sides are now realizing, is that his words go beyond politics and are more devastating than the Romney complaints that Mr. Obama is too big-government oriented or has mishandled the economy. They raise the far more potent issue of national identity and feed the suspicion that Mr. Obama is actively hostile to American ideals and aspirations. Republicans are doing their own voter surveys, and they note that Mr. Obama's problem is that his words cause an emotional response, and that they disturb voters in nearly every demographic.

It's why Mr. Obama's "out of context" complaints aren't getting traction. The Republican National Committee's response to that gripe was to run an ad that shows a full minute of Mr. Obama's rant at the Roanoke, Va., campaign event on July 13. In addition to "you didn't build that," the president also put down those who think they are "smarter" or "work harder" than others. Witness the first president to demean the bedrock American beliefs in industriousness and exceptionalism. The "context" only makes it worse.

This gets to the other reason the Obama campaign is rattled: "You didn't build that" threatens to undermine its own argument against Mr. Romney. Mr. Obama has been running on class warfare and the notion that Mr. Romney is a wealthy one-percenter out of touch with average Americans. Yet few things better symbolize the average American than a small-business owner. To the extent that Mr. Romney is positioning himself as champion of that little business guy and portraying Mr. Obama as something alien, he could flip the Obama narrative on its head.

It would be all the more potent were Mr. Romney to use "you didn't build that" to launch his own economic narrative. One unexpected side effect of "you didn't build that" is that it has emboldened the GOP to re-embrace and glory in free enterprise (so abused since the financial crash). And the president's disparaging attack on business has also made voters more open to a defense of it.

Meaning, it's a perfect time to marry emotion with some policy. Mr. Romney has explained why the president doesn't get it. The next step is to explain why his own tax policies, regulatory proposals, and entitlement plans are the answer for those who actually do the building. The president is on defense. We'll see if Mr. Romney can keep him there.
http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443931404577551344018773450.html

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posted July 27, 2012 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's no argument, Jwhop.

Obama wasn't only referring to the government, but also all of the people that go in to an enterprise. Your comprehension is just terrible today.

Yes, Obama would acknowledge that people initiate businesses, of course. We all know this, and he wasn't refuting that. He was simply saying that a system exists to accomodate business-building in America. There's employees, infrastructure, a legal system, and a government.

The video doesn't say otherwise:

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

Here's a story on how the Romney camp cut the video: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum-romney-video-deceptively-edits-obama-speech-to-make-it-sound-anti-business/2012/07/19/gJQAoRpavW_blog.html

I'm glad that there are some Conservatives out there that can see through nonsense like this (even if there are none on this forum).

Romney to Salt Lake City olympians:

"You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right!"

Your ideas about how Obama will go down in history are as speculative as your and Ami's comments on Obamacare.

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posted July 27, 2012 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
obviously no one with an axe to grind has bothered to check out what obama actually said. as per usual.

how about this commie then?

"Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally.
Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases,... that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man’s own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came."
~ Thomas Paine

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posted July 27, 2012 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The video of what O'Bomber actually said is posted in the first post on this thread.

So much for those clueless ones who are always the last to get the word...if you ever get it at all.

The usual suspects can duck, bob, weave and attempt to deflect attention from what O'Bomber said but the video makes them out to be liars along with O'Bomber when he attempts to deny what he very clearly said.

YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT.

The worst president in US history and the most clueless.

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posted July 27, 2012 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the doctored video, perhaps? it starts right in the middle of what he was saying!!!

i have HEARD the context, but you obviously are only too happy to hear what fox et al want you to.

just as rush touts the polls only as long as they put obama behind or barely even with romney etc, but when they show the opposite it "must be bogus".

what say you of tom paine's little piece then? was he a commie too?

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posted July 27, 2012 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, stop being ridiculous for once. I posted what Obama actually said. It wasn't nearly as damning as you're making it out. It wasn't that different from Thomas Paine's point, and it wasn't that different from Mitt Romney's point to the olympic athletes.

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posted July 27, 2012 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
re the romney ad "biteback" at obama's supposedly anti-business speech..

Jack Gilchrist, a businessman who stars in an ad (video below) for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, claims in the ad: “My father’s hands didn’t build this company? My hands didn’t build this company? My son’s hands aren’t building this company?”

However, what Gilchrist failed to mention is that he built his business, Gilchrist Metal, through government-sponsored loans, putting a dent in the attack on President Obama.

The New Hampshire Union Leader recently reported Gilchrist took over $1 million in government loans since the 1980s, including $800,000 in tax-exempt bonds issued by the New Hampshire Business Finance Authority to build a new manufacturing plant and buy equipment.

Gilchrist also admitted that he took a U.S. Small Business Administration loan of “somewhere south of” $500,000 in the 1980s, and said that to this day about 10 percent of his business comes from defense-related projects.

None of these loans are mentioned by Gilchrist, in the ad.

In spite of the controversy, the Romney campaign said it’s standing by the debunked ad. But apart from the hypocrisy the Gilchrist ad, the Romney also camp deceptively edited President Obama.

In the ad (below), Gilchrist’s obstinate response follows audio of President Obama saying in Roanoke, Virginia on July 13: “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/video-his-own-romney-ad-star-jack-gilchrist-got-1-million-government-loans

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posted July 27, 2012 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and didn't romney make a very similar speech about the interconnections of state and private enterprise when HE "ran" the olympics?

i'm beginning to think, jwhop, that you are one of the dozen non communists in the world, let alone the country...

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posted July 27, 2012 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
The video of what O'Bomber actually said is posted in the first post on this thread.

So much for those clueless ones who are always the last to get the word...if you ever get it at all.

The usual suspects can duck, bob, weave and attempt to deflect attention from what O'Bomber said but the video makes them out to be liars along with O'Bomber when he attempts to deny what he very clearly said.

[b]YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT.

The worst president in US history and the most clueless.[/B]



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O'Bomber said what he felt. He got everything given to him such as world class educations etc. Instead of appreciating it, he @#@#'s on it.


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posted July 27, 2012 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop got everything given to him such as world class educations etc. Instead of appreciating it, he @#@#'s on it

an example of how easy it is to distort "what he said"...

nothing personal, ami, just using the last available remark...but then you have misquoted me in the past so i'm sure you won't mind, will you?

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posted July 28, 2012 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You didn't misquote me. That is what I think

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posted July 28, 2012 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for proving how carefully you read my post, ami. apparently you don't think words matter much, and don't see the different meaning i have created.

have a nice day.

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posted July 28, 2012 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
thanks for proving how carefully you read my post, ami. apparently you don't think words matter much, and don't see the different meaning i have created.

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posted July 29, 2012 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The usual suspects are still attempting to spin what his Marxist O'Bomberness actually said.

O'Bomber said...if you have a business..YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT..SOMEONE ELSE DID THAT.

This from a little Marxist A-hole who never built anything in his life, who never signed a paycheck in his life, who couldn't run a lemonade stand if his life depended on making a go of it, from the worst president in US history.

Of course, O'Bomber's target audience for this comment was the unproductive, non-taxpaying, free-loaders among us. Those who ride in the wagon productive citizens pull, productive citizens who make America work while the unproductive biatch, moan, wheeze, whine, screech, howl and shriek that the productive citizens aren't taking care of them in the manner they'd like. These free-loaders should get off their lazy as$es and find something to do...besides biatch and moan, wheeze and whine, screech, howl and shriek.

But, if they did that, they wouldn't be demoscats any longer. They'd be conservatives.

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posted July 29, 2012 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally.
Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases,... that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man’s own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came."
~ Thomas Paine

yes thomas paine was a no good drifter, wasn't he? some things never change, and i don't mean your insistence on seeing only what you want to.

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posted July 29, 2012 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man’s own hands produce....

Guess you missed this..or didn't understand what Paine meant. Either way, your Socialist nonsense is shining through yet again.

To what a man's hands produce, I would add intellectual property which is often more important and more valuable than physical output.

You're going to have to come to grips with the fact O'Bomber is an intellectual zero, a Marxist with sub-standard intellect who is unfit for the office of president.

If you own a business....YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT...SOMEONE ELSE DID THAT.

Horseshiiit!

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posted July 30, 2012 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You're going to have to come to grips with the fact O'Bomber is an intellectual zero,


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posted July 30, 2012 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There has never been an empire built with one single person. Most people understand this. It's not that difficult a concept. Thomas Paine certainly got it, and he was not a "Marxist". While talking to WORKERS that are obviously a key part of business machinery (and not "lazy" Democrats), Obama said those words. These are the same kind of workers that make up the majority of the Republican base, and both candidates will be pandering to them until the election.

No one on the Democratic side has to spin what Obama said. We all understand the context. We all get that he's saying that business does not happen in a single-person void. It would be moronic to suggest otherwise.

The successful businessperson that built their business empire did it by eventually cobbling together the right team to meet the business goals. That team is appreciated and compensated for their ability to HELP acheive those business goals. The person at the top may get the credit, but that person is not the sole person in the company.

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here is true intellectual greatness, right?

“I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” Mitt paid some guy to write this insipid pap. And he paid others to approve it. Not only is it bland and generic, it’s lethal to him in a way that it wouldn’t be to Gingrich or Perry or Bachmann or Paul because it plays to his caricature — as a synthetic, stage-managed hollow man of no fixed beliefs.

that's yer boy romney quoted in the national review... (not some leftist attack ad, who needs them with material like this?) what exactly were all those expensive schools for? not only "bland and generic" it is gobbledygook by a paid "writer" and demonstrates just how little mittens cares what he says as long as it fills the time slot.


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posted July 30, 2012 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but hey, we could trade insults of caricatures till the sun goes down, it won't change anything.

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posted July 30, 2012 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one said a word about "building an empire". The operative word in O'Bomber's Marxist tirade is "business".

Here, let me refresh the usual suspect's memories.

if you own a "business"...YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT...SOMEONE ELSE DID THAT.

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